Which Master Groups' Debut Is The Best?
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Topic: Which Master Groups' Debut Is The Best?
Posted By: Raccoon
Subject: Which Master Groups' Debut Is The Best?
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:42
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I didn't add King Crimson and ELP since they'd dominate the polls. And for starters, I'd choose Camel. Their powerful debut showed the overall 'Camel' sound from the first album! With such classic songs as Mystic Queen, Six Ate, Curiosity, and Arubaluba, I find this easily the best debut (though most of them are great). ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:45
| I'll vote Camel as well, their debut showed that they could really rock the shorter instrumentals. Just a pure masterpiece, easily a top 10 album for me. If I could add another it would be The Mars Volta's "Deloused in the Comatorium". |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:45
I've actually only heard three of these ( ) so I'd better not vote. I think Rush's debut is pretty good though. I stil need to hear Camel's, which I want to do because I like them a lot.
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:48
| ^It's an amazing record, I would recommend the tracks; Curiosity, and Arubaluba. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:50
The live version of Arubuluba issued as a bonus track on Mirage blows me away, so I have no doubt I'd love the album. -------------
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bytor2112 wrote:Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:51
| Magma's debut. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:51
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Tough call (and I know and enjoy all of them), but I gotta go with Freak Out. I like it more and more with age. Almost went with Magma, but.....
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:51
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Soft Machine's!
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Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:51
 that would easily take over the poll if I put that up! I tried to keep 'classic' bands. Only 70's.^and llama, you're missing out!! There's some decent tracks, but overall it's a classic Camel album. And Bytor is right, the instrumentals are incredibly solid. Especially on a debut album. Six Ate and Arubaluba are both some of my favorite Camel tunes  ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:55
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Would have voted for Floyd's `Piper' ten years ago - a knockout defining psychedelic debut album that sounds like no other album before or since - but my friend and I, who worshipped it, have totally OD'd on it. Don't think I've listened to it in years now....
But as much as I love the first Camel album, I'm going with the underappreciated first Yes album! A charming, jazzy rocker with lots of fiery playing, lovely vocals, an upbeat joyful mood. The album always cheers me up, and `Looking Around' is just a KILLER pop song too! Have to say, if I chose `Other', `Earth and Fire's debut album is a total stunner as well, one of my all-time favourite debuts!! `Ruby Is The One', `Vivid Shady Land' - every track is great!! |
Posted By: Gastaminza
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 19:01
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i would say Frost*, it's just an epic album with an awesome starting with Hyperventilate and some incredible sounds... Jem Godfrey is AMAZING on the keyboard and Black Light Machine is, IMO, one of the best songs out there |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 19:03
I really do love the Yes debut too. Underrated. Sweetness is so sweet! Harold Land is awesome, and Yesterday and Today is hypnotizing (too bad it's so short). I never listened to the band Earth and Fire!! At first I thought you meant 'Earth, Wind & Fire' and I thought "that disco group is on this site?! Anyways, I'll look it up! Looks like Song Of The Marching Children is pretty popular...  ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 19:04
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 19:10
Well worth checking out, Brandon! Their debut is a little more straightforward than the rest of their albums, but it just crackles with so much energy, full of acid-guitar psych rock songs with terrific male/female vocals. I always like to draw attention to that album, and Earth and Fire are just a great band in general! And as you said, !
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 19:20
I always think of you HolyMoly when mentioning Earth and Fire, I know you're a big supporter of them!
I just dug the LP out and looked over it, not a bad song on that debut - ALL STUNNERS!! `Wild and Exciting', `Twilight Dreamer', `You Know The Way' and so on! I love the kind of awkward English translated lyrics on `Vivid Shady Land' like `Leaves all smashed on the river side, The trees are burning and they're crying bright' lol! And that upbeat chorus with `making love with our minds' bit is killer! 
I also thought `Ruby Is The One' is kind of a super-sexy lesbian anthem too!
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 19:23
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Tough choice between VDGG, GG and Camel, but ultimately went with VDGG. Love Aerosol Grey Machine.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 19:24
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I picked other-Triumvirat-Mediterranean Tales Their debut is the most strikingly beautiful and brilliantly played ones by anybody i have ever heard. It tends to be a bit under-rated, though, around here.They did not have Helmut Koellen within their ranks yet, but Jurgen Fritz on keys leads the band amazingly well. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 19:37
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Difficult choice. Magma over Soft Machine. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 19:41
| Kobaia donks on every other option here |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 19:50
| Of these Floyd, could have gone for Univers Zero, Hatfield or National Health |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 19:57
And now I vow to go ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 20:10
Hatfield is sort of a supergroup since it has Richard Sinclair and Pip Pyle, but if I put that down I'd so vote for that!! Hatfield has to be one of my favorite albums ever... I was thinking of adding Univers Zero since that band really defines Avant (in a way) and I didn't think of National Health. ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 20:12
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Kobaďa, followed by Gentle Giant. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 20:15
That is a great album! The keyboards are so solid, the only thing I believe what kept that to be a masterpiece was the vocals. I think they were well known, but they were known for the wrong reasons; that they were the 'German ELP'. Nonetheless, fantastic band. I could've added that. ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 20:23
Michael, I now understand why you and HolyMoly are such fanatics about this band. I love Renaissance and Jefferson Airplane, 'nuff said. I'm buying the first 3 albums immediately. Their debut is surprisingly powerful!! Didn't expect that after the calm prog bliss of Song of the Marching Children and Atlantis. Anyways, there's few bands these days that I go "holy  I love this" and I felt that with Earth & Fire.I always wanted a proggy Jefferson Airplane, and I just thought I was dreaming. Now I have found it!! Thank you Michael and HolyMoly  Oh, oh!! ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 20:26
That is EXACTLY how I feel about that Triumvirat debut album - everything in it's right place except the vocals. They kind of let down the rest of the album for me, and I think I'm rather too dismissive of the great music on it because of the voice. Hmmm, not the only time there would be issues with Triumvirat and inappropriate singers - Looking in your direction, Barry Palmer!
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 20:27
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Piper is a masterpiece and one the the best albums of all time ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 20:34
Ha, YES!! That's exactly how I felt when I first heard it! I was like `Holy S%%T, I have to tell EVERYONE about this album' lol! I remember I was on the phone to my fellow Australian Archives buddy Tom Ozric right away telling him `Uh, mate, that debut Earth and Fire album that Greg Walker's got in stock on LP reissue.....yeah, you're going to want to snap that up right away....'!
That first album is like a crunchier Jefferson Airplane (another band I love, especially the debut and `Baxters'), the lead singer has such a tough, confident and commanding voice (while still remaining very feminine and sexy), and there's so many catchy riffs and psych moments scattered amongst the tracks. Some of the CD reissues of the debut album have lots of terrific bonus tracks (for once!) that start to show their shift from psych/acid/rock to more progressive stylings. |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 20:38
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Camel by far. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: menawati
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 20:56
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whats a Master Group ? ------------- They flutter behind you your possible pasts, Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 20:59
Nothing, what's the master group with you? (ba-dum tish!) -------------
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Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 21:12
Haha, I couldn't think of another way to explain it. I was gonna say '70's super group' but the term 'super group' means members of a previous band creating a group. So that doesn't apply. I just mean the 'big' prog bands. ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: Lima96
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 21:22
| Other: Could be as well Banco del Mutuo Soccorso or the Mahavishnu Orchestra. |
Posted By: menawati
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 21:28
Ah ok. I thought maybe I was not being aware of some secret PA term ------------- They flutter behind you your possible pasts, Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost. |
Posted By: menawati
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 21:28
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but PFM's debut I'd vote for if it was there ------------- They flutter behind you your possible pasts, Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 22:13
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 23:47
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In regards to Yes and This Was, there was a fundamental change from the debuts to the second albums. The addition of a new guitarist in each case, The Yes Album (Steve Howe) and Stand Up (Martin Barre) offer a night and day contrast from debut to second album, and the approximation of the actual "sound" of each band going forward. Of the albums listed, I chose The Piper at the Gates of Dawn. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 01:26
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Out of this list I'm struggling between JT, Camel, Soft Machine and GG. Mmmm... the giants are still with no votes...strange, anyway I guess it's my favorite. I wanted to stick with the list but there are so many good debuts, as others already said Earth & Fire is very good. I would add PFM (I'd go for that one if it was here), Banco, Black Sabbath and Trettioariga Kriget just to name a few. |
Posted By: antonyus
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 01:34
| camel |
Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 01:48
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camel debut is a masterpiece \ others great debuts that i like .supertramp, kate bush, kaipa and kansas ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 01:55
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 01:57
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Voted 'other' -UK's debut album. Perhaps thats a 'cheat' considering they were a supergroup?
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Posted By: freudiana
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 02:12
| How about Mahavishnu Orchestra or Anglagard's debut? |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 02:20
Well done! I picked Yes, it was very influential on me even though they did a few covers. BTW, the second Yes album was the remarkable "Time and a Word," still featuring Peter Banks on guitar. This is quite an excellent performance from the first LP, if you've never seen this...rare Peter Banks footage!! (sorry, the player embed function isn't working for some reason) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwdNRoV36Go" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwdNRoV36Go
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Posted By: ScorchedFirth
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 02:23
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Other Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear can't get much better than that ------------- breathing, eating, defecating, screwing, drinking, spewing, sleeping... 
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 02:36
| No vote because I'm only familiar with the following: The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, Gentle Giant, Freak Out!, The Soft Machine. Out of these, it would be Gentle Giant. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 02:56
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Floyd an atom ahead of Gentle Gaint ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 03:26
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I´ve been hesitating between Yes and Camel. But I finally decided to Yes debut, which is still a little more succeeded. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 03:32
------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: menawati
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 03:49
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Maybe I'm missing something obvious but why isnt Storia Di Un Minuto by PFM on the list ? ------------- They flutter behind you your possible pasts, Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 05:25
And what about In And Out Of Focus? ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 06:38
| Yes' debut is fantastic. Not prog yet maybe, but fantastic songs anyway. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 06:43
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Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 07:31
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Gentle Giant <3 After that, a very underrated one: The Aerosol Grey Machine.
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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 10:08
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Camel.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 10:45
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Even with YES and CAMEL, my vote goes to the only original Syd Barrett's album. The most revolutionary album of Pink Floyd's history. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 10:59
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I love later Floyd, but I was never a fan of the Syd Barrett dominated band and Piper doesn't do it for me.
The first Giant album is good, but my vote goes to Camel, who hit the ground running and never stopped.
Other great debuts: Druid (Toward the Sun) Horslips (Happy to Meet, Sorry to Part) and Gryphon (Gryphon). ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 11:10
No doubt about that! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 11:18
That's what "other" is meant for. I voted for Kobaia, and it was an easy choice despite loving several on the list (I know them all), and having lots of beloved débuts that I could have mentioned as an "other" 'choice. I think that Kobaia is a knock-out début album. Magma is one of my absolute favourite bands, and that is my favourite album by Magma. I find it a stunning double-album début. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 11:23
Gryphon's version of the " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69wZpcPtMIo" rel="nofollow - Unquiet Grave " off their début is a particular favourite of mine: ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 12:04
| Magma |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 12:49
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Gentle Giant just beats out Yes for me Kool poll ! ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 14:13
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I really like GG's debut, but I have to give my vote to Kobaďa. Love that one! -------------  
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Posted By: 33rpm
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 16:02
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GG followed closely by Yes. ------------- Vinyl just sounds better!! |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 16:03
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I picked Camel with Magma next. I'm not sure what the "other" includes but i'm thinking Mahavishnu Orchestra, Anekdoten, Anglagard. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 16:06
I voted other, because of this one: or else I would probably go for either Soft Machine or Floyd... ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 17:06
I tried to contain only English and American bands mainly. Also they weren't very much 'known' and aren't considered as the 'classic' prog bands to non-prog fanatics. Thinking about it, I could've added Focus since Hocus Pocus was played throughout rock stations. ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 20:20
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piper at the gates of down, one of my all time favourites ------------- http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/sydbarrettg.jpg/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 20:22
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So nobody thought my Master Group joke was funny, then?
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 20:37
Illusions Spartacus Mediterranean Tales Pompeii Old Loves Die Hard A La Carte Russian Roulette  |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 20:44
Man, this has got to be one of the easiest polls I've participated in.  Magma's debut is a steal! The album that started all that madness that is Zeuhl. Classic album - very consistent. I've always enjoyed the darker atmosphere of it compared to Vander's later works. It's great. 
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Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 22:19
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: October 26 2012 at 03:18
| Magma , Yes , PF and Softs are battling so hard I had to go for other - the darkside - Univers Zero 1313. Though worth mentioning is Present's Triskaidekaphobie ( Fear of the Number 13 ). |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: October 27 2012 at 00:22
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This is some amazing stuff!! And to think, in 1969, I was listening to the.....Monkees??!! |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: October 27 2012 at 05:00
| Definitely Piper for me, but it's really a personal favorite for me unlike the others. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: October 27 2012 at 05:17
Procol Harum - Procol Harum (more proto prog but hey) -------------  
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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: October 27 2012 at 07:41
| Phallus Dei. |
Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: October 27 2012 at 23:56
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From this list CAMEL. But the best debut for me is Dream Theater's "When Dream and Day Unite". ------------- Don't Bore Us, Get To The Chorus |
Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 03:59
| Camel out of these |
Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 04:15
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Piper, followed by Rush and Kobaia ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqf2srRfppHAslEmHBn8QP6d_eoanh0eW" rel="nofollow - My compositions |
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 05:43
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All for that Piper ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 07:58
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Freak Out! ------------- "Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes" and I need the knits, the double knits! |
Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 09:41
| The Piper...... |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 11:13
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The first Return to Forever album and the first Weather Report album. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 12:29
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Magma ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 12:37
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There's 3 or 4 up there that I like equally ,but.....I'm picking Caravan...that first one by them has always been a favorite of mine when it comes to debuts. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 12:58
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Piper and Rush |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 13:26
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Giant ------------- |
Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 14:06
| Caravan then Camel |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 14:21
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Have them all except for Rush. I never really 'clicked' with that one. Very tough choice. To be different, I'll vote 'other' - ATOMIC ROOSTER's debut. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 16:13
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21 votes for Camel..........now that surprises me. No one here has ever said much about that one. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 16:51
not surprising.. even haters like that album ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 16:53
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Kobaia.. by thousands of light years man. Most of those album were good beginnings. Kobaia was masterpiece from the get go... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 18:38
| Piper > Soft Machine > Camel. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 22:50
| Too many albums I don't know on this one, but the Gentle Giant one is amazing for me. My favourite album from them along with Aquiring the Taste. |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: April 29 2016 at 00:24
| Gentle Giant no question, and Rush's debut is great too. |
Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: April 29 2016 at 06:35
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Camel! (Frank Zappa's Freak Out is a close contender!) |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 29 2016 at 07:41
| Can't believe Tull's, Caravan's and Magma's debuts are doing so bad, considering the weak competition. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: April 29 2016 at 19:54
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I'm amazed how reliable a poll winner Camel is in this forum. This happens time and again. Now they even win against the biggies. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 29 2016 at 23:08
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