Where Bruford Belongs!
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Topic: Where Bruford Belongs!
Posted By: Rubedo
Subject: Where Bruford Belongs!
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 01:32
C'mon, Billy sit still!!! I personally think his pinnacle was the band
"Bruford." That band was a true supergroup: Holdsworth, Stewart,
Berlin. WOW!
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Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 15:50
I THINK THAT BRUFORD SOUNDS GOOD EVERYWHERE, DOESN'T MATTER THE BAND OR THE TIME... HE STILL SI ONE OF THE BEST MUSICIANS THAT I EVER HEARD...
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 18:04
Personally i like his work with KC. Although he was great with Yes, His own bands, UK. Basically everywhere he played he was great.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 19:31
I strongly recommend the book "Drummers And Where They Belong: A Study On Psychiatric Wards" by A. Square, Random House 1999![](smileys/smiley17.gif)
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 21:08
His work with KC is amazing , so i voted KC![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 21:33
Posted By: ian_b
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 21:39
bruford was amazing in heart of the sunrise so yes is my vote
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 22:30
Buford in Close to the Edge
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 23:08
Good poll Rubedo ... I'd go for Yes narrowly over KC ...
You've obviously not that guy we had on here about 6 months ago who was obsessed by Bruford's brief stint with Genesis!
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Posted By: cucacola54
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 23:52
Yes
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 03:27
Good idea for a poll.
For me: his band Bruford. I really love Feels Good To Me, One Of A Kind and Gradually Going Tornado. He played in many good bands, though.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 04:10
I must admit I'm a drummer myself . Shouting: "SO F***ING PUT ME WHERE I BELONG!!!"
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 08:46
Though I prefer Yes with Bruford, I think Yes did just fine with Alan White until Drama.
So I'm going with King Crimson, because Bruford seems to fit even better there than with Yes.
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 11:37
Earthworks! I love KC and Yes too, but...
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Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 23:01
Bruford didnt really start truly developing untill he did Larks tounges in aspic with jamie (james?) muir. Its a hard choice between KC and Bruford's solo stuff. But Ill go with KC. (personally I think alan white was better with Yes, no clue why yes is doing so well in this poll )
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: July 24 2005 at 00:59
Bill Bruford belongs with Bruford, he was excellent with Dave Stewart (another very talented musician) and the underrated Jeff Berlin, not to forget Alan Holdsworth
Plus Yes has a drummer they don't freaking need Bruford, they have ALAN WHITE who is excellent in his more rock and roll way.
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: July 24 2005 at 15:42
NetsNJFan wrote:
Bill Bruford belongs with Bruford, he was excellent with Dave Stewart (another very talented musician) and the underrated Jeff Berlin, not to forget Alan Holdsworth
Plus Yes has a drummer they don't freaking need Bruford, they have ALAN WHITE who is excellent in his more rock and roll way. |
I couldn't agree more!! As a drummer/percussionist/writer, his best place is with himself, and I include his Earthworks albums as extensions of his solo career. As a member of a band, his best input was with King Crimson. Although he was a Yes-man in two of yes's best albums, I think that Squiere is more proper for Yes than Bruford: Bill is too free-spirited for Squire's peculiar bass playing drive, while White is more disposable, and he also is more adequate for Jon Anderson's positive vibes. There is something kind of wicked in Bruford's multi-faceted percussive vision - yes, every pre-Bruford KC album was a step forward for a time when Bruford and KC would be ready to meet halfway and join forces.
Regards.
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Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: July 24 2005 at 15:46
I voted YES because of his performance on Heart of the Sunrise. But to be honest, I really can't decide. The guy is a genius. I don't care who he plays/played for, he's truly a legend.
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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 02 2005 at 21:23
Genesis. Footage of him with the band is incredible
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 03 2005 at 11:48
I voted for Yes, but I could've said KC or UK as well (unfortunately I don't know much about his solo work). I saw Bruford live with Anderson, Wakeman and Howe, and he was amazing. I remember a guy in the audience shouting 'Octopus!' at him during the drum solo.
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Posted By: Maike
Date Posted: August 03 2005 at 12:05
For me he is the Yes Drummer. But is also the King Crimson Drummer,
so... I guess he'll have to keep both jobs (a kind of part time...)
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: August 03 2005 at 17:59
Yes Not that i got enything against White, but he is no bruford if you know what i mean... ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 03 2005 at 19:54
I LOVE Bill Bruford's Earthworks, but I voted Yes
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 03 2005 at 21:17
Did you know Bill Bruford was a member of Gong once? As far as I know there don't exist any recordings of this though. Gong seems to be a band that attracts great drummers, since Pip Pyle and Pierre Moerlen played there too.
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: August 03 2005 at 21:39
BaldFriede wrote:
Did you know Bill Bruford was a member of Gong once? As far as I know there don't exist any recordings of this though. Gong seems to be a band that attracts great drummers, since Pip Pyle and Pierre Moerlen played there too. |
if theres a way to bring Gong up you'll find it ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
Yea too bad there are no recordings he must have sounded excellent.
I wish he stayed in National Health though, it would have been awesome if NH and Bruford merged.
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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: August 04 2005 at 10:44
Bruford in Relayer=SWEET![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
In all seriousness i love his drumming in CTTE
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Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: August 04 2005 at 10:48
I'd have to go with Yes, Bruford shined the brightest with Yes, but his work with KC comes in at a close second.
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Posted By: Maike
Date Posted: August 04 2005 at 12:18
Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 18:18
He should be put back in YES.![](smileys/smiley7.gif)
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Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 19:02
Although he has done soem great stuff with both Yes & KC I'm going with Bruford,, just love One Of A Kind...
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 29 2005 at 21:54
Yes and Crimson -- equally astounding in both.![Clap](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
(I voted Crimson, as he's falling behind in the poll there.)
He's always the best prog drummer, wherever he is, in my book.![Thumbs Up](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
I can always spot Bruford's drumming -- very unique! There are many fine drummers out there, but how many have been so downright distinctive?
Bruford, Levin and Torn is great stuff too, BTW -- Bill continues to excel and amaze!![Cool](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif)
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 19:47
I must say that I don´t know his solo stuff...but ever since I heard Discipline for the first time I got hypnotise by his playing in King Crimson...much jazzier, and virtuoso than in Yes...so my vote goes for KC!
Bruford...my favorite drummer in my favorite band!
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Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 20:15
I say KC. He was great in Yes, but his stint with Fripp made those 80's albums.
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 20:22
My vote goes to KC. He was very talented in Yes, but his work with KC was very original and innovative.
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Posted By: Emiaj
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 20:24
all of the bands and projects mentioned..one of the best drummers on the planet..
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Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 19:26
Alllllll ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 21:11
Such a hard choice between KC and Yes. Gotta say Yes by a hair.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 21:14
Hard to decide between Yes,KC and UK.
I'll go for Yes.
He is incrediible in any setting,though.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 21:28
I also had difficulty between Yes and KC, chose Yes.
The guy is simply unreal.
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Posted By: ken4musiq
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 21:59
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 02:45
I have heard only Yes and Crimson with Bill Bruford, but I can't imagine him playing badly.
He shines on every album I have heard so far!![](smileys/smiley32.gif)
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Posted By: JL08030
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 03:28
I voted King Crimson. That's where I want him.
He seems to be pretty firm in wanting to be in Earthworks, so that's where he should be.
At this point, anyone besides Alan White in Yes would sound "wrong".
People are excited at the prospect of Bill on Relayer. Yet Alan's performance pushed it over the top.
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Posted By: rokmebaby
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 03:40
This one was a toughie. I have been a Bruford fan since
purchasing Fragile back in the day. So, I have to think about
what I play most. I love Bruford with Levin most of all, so my
top "collective musical efforts" as Bill would say are:
King Crimson with Levin
Bruford and Levin (Upper Extremities, Blue Nights)
Yes
Bruford (with the amazing Jeff Berlin)
King Crimson with Wetton
UK
Earthworks
ABWH
Kudos to the question poser.
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 08:47
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 09:55
Arsillus wrote:
Though I prefer Yes with Bruford, I think Yes did just fine with Alan White until Drama.
So I'm going with King Crimson, because Bruford seems to fit even better there than with Yes. |
My thoughts exactly.
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 13:18
YES was best with Bruford, KC hade so many great drummers before him, Michael Giles is 1 of my all time favorites. So i think Giles shuld have stayed with KC and Bruford with YES.
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Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 16:28
Probably in Yes. It was his first music team
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Posted By: nobody
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 17:45
BaldFriede wrote:
Did you know Bill Bruford was a member of Gong once? As far as I know there don't exist any recordings of this though. Gong seems to be a band that attracts great drummers, since Pip Pyle and Pierre Moerlen played there too. |
NetsNJFan wrote:
Yea too bad there are no recordings he must have sounded excellent. |
There is one fundamentally awesome recording of Gong during their brief stint with BB. It is available currently on the BT site DimeaDozen here:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=84460 - http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=84460
If you are not a DIME member you will have to sign up... but here is the info for that exquisite bootleg in case you are interested:
Gong (featuring Bill Bruford) Oslo (Norway), Château-Neuf - 15-12-1974 Rotterdam (Netherlands), Eksit - 7-12-1974
source: sbd (good to excellent)
An instance of lucky synchronicity, the untimely break-up of King Crimson in September 1974 happened just a few weeks before Gong, while on a European tour, were once again left without a drummer. The drummer in question, Laurie Allan, hadn't left of his own accord to join the Percussions de Strasbourg, or been kicked out - he was arrested while crossing the French-German border in the possession of illegal 'substances'. Why he was the only one in the band thus convicted remains shrouded in mystery, but although Laurie was able to perform on the band's German tour in early November, a replacement had to be found pronto.
A recommendation by journalist and mutual friend Steve Lake put the band in touch with Bill Bruford, who agreed to join for the remaining dates. Of course Bruford was something of a star, but Virgin were evidently willing to pay him what he required - allegedly a salary five times higher than what the regular members were getting paid (which probably explains why the arrangement was shortlived). Anyway, Bruford caught up with Gong in Germany, rehearsed with them for a couple of days in Orléans and the 'all-star' Gong toured France, more Germany, Holland, more France, through to Norway, coming back home just in time for Christmas !
The Oslo gig had originally been scheduled to take place earlier in the tour but had to be postponed after the band missed the overnight ferry from Kiel to Oslo after their concert at Amsterdam's Melkweg. Consequently, it was rearranged for the end of the tour, and turned out to be Bill Bruford's last concert with Gong.
The recording of the Oslo gig is an excellent soundboard, but is sadly incomplete. Coincidentally, another show from the same tour, in Rotterdam, also a soundboard but of inferior quality, contains almost exactly what's missing from the Oslo show, so I thought I'd offer a double-set of both to approximate the feel of a complete Gong concert with Bill Bruford on drums.
CD1 (Oslo) 1. Master Builder (13:34) 2. Perfect Mystery (2:38) 3. Tropical Fish / Selene (7:13) 4. I Never Glid Before (7:38) 5. transition (1:10) 6. Solar Musick Suite (9:01) 7. Didier improv (10:21) 8. Oily Way (2:32) 9. Inner Temple (3:33) 10. Outer Temple (1:37) 11. Gliss Improv (3:41) 12. A Sprinkling Of Clouds (2:21)
CD2 (Rotterdam) 1. A Sprinkling Of Clouds (7:24) 2. You Can't Kill Me (8:58) 3. Isle Of Everywhere (10:21) 4. You Never Blow Yr Trip Forever (12:37) 5. applause (5:57) 6. Flying Teapot (8:04)
Daevid Allen - vocals & guitar Didier Malherbe - saxes, flute & vocals Steve Hillage - guitar & vocals Miquette Giraudy - vocals & percussion Tim Blake - synthesizers & vocals Mike Howlett - bass Bill Bruford - drums
This is absolutely fantastic stuff, "You" era Gong with Bill just slamming. He even uses the discarded "dirty crash" cymbal from One More Red Nightmare in this concert. The Oslo portion is A+, just a pristine soundboard, while the Rotterdam part has some distortion (mostly in the vocals...it's still highly listenable). Any BB fan should have this one, it's one of my all-time favorite boots.
Oh yeah, I voted for BB with KC but he is the greatest anywhere he lays his drumstool. My favorites after KC are National Health, Genesis, Yes and the above Gong tape.
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Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 18:08
He is brilliant whatever band he plays in, but i vote for Yes
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