Madness or reasonable
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Topic: Madness or reasonable
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: Madness or reasonable
Date Posted: August 31 2012 at 13:42
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what do you think, is the astronomical sums used on football players, madness and rediculness or, as reasonable as buying a toilett paper when you have no toilettpaper left, to drye your but. is a ballkicker worth 500 million £ or not, what is the highest price a player should go for, should their be a higher limit or is it LET THE MONEY RULE -------------  
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Posted By: Flyingsod
Date Posted: August 31 2012 at 13:50
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It's madness that any society would use its resources in such a way when there are still inumerable sufferings that could be considerably eased with proper funding. That's is the madness of the community though. For the Player, and the ones paying the player it's not so ridiculous as they are both benefiting and not directly causing harm to anyone. ------------- This space intentionally left blank |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 31 2012 at 13:55
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yes, i think within the bubble that is associate football, it is the lfie and it is bound to be like this and will not change as the competitions have been so involved with the tranfers, and having the best squads, but outside of football, it is pretty insane, and is making you think what is it worth paying for a person able to dribble, shoot and passing balls, -------------
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 31 2012 at 13:57
Hey you! Don't watch that! Watch this! ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 31 2012 at 14:08
For a baseball or American football player it is reasonable, but for the European version of football it is pure madness. 
Seriously though, I seriously think it is madness all around, but since these amounts seem to be what the market will bear than more power to both sides. I certainly don't feel sorry for the teams or team owners that complain that not enough fans support the team by buying tickets and showing up for games however. I feel bad for the common man fans who can't afford to pay for ticket or bring his family though. ------------- 
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 31 2012 at 14:11
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But I won't be the one
Who's gonna suffer! ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: August 31 2012 at 23:04
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Madness for all commoners like us. Reasonable if one has a lot of money to be laundered. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 31 2012 at 23:07
^  exactly-- you can't be able to make a certain amount but not spend it |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: September 05 2012 at 10:29
I was hoping this poll would just be about madness and reasonableness generally. 
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 05 2012 at 10:57
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Madness. I cannot understand why such amounts of money can be spent on a few spoiled, usually uneducated brats who have a talent to handle (or should I say footle) a ball. But money rules and sport is big business, whether we like it or not.
Fortunately, I care little for money and even less for football.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 05 2012 at 11:19
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It's not a dictate passed down by some higher power. It's a flexible condition. They make a reasonable amount given the product that is a match of soccer. The fact that these people in good conscious keep considerable portions of this money strikes me as closer to madness. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 05 2012 at 13:34
They help other people make money, including people not directly related to the teams they play for. There is a reason why club owners decide to pay those huge amounts. I'm sure it is not for a desire to burn money. Now if you really want to complain about high-paid people, put artists, celebrities, actors and musicians in there too. Many of the musicians you probably adore are spoiled, uneducated brats who have a talent to handle thousands of worshippers. Just like football players. But at least in the second case the results are easier to objectively measure. ------------- 
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someone_else wrote:Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: September 05 2012 at 13:42
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Public figures make a lot of money for one simple reason: they provide a product enjoyed by a lot of people. An athlete playing in the Superbowl provides entertainment for tens of millions of people. Therefore, they get paid tens of millions of dollars. It doesn't matter how hard it is or how much education they have, it's the service they provide. Same goes for musicians and movie stars. A master craftsman, no matter how skilled he is, can only make one product at a time, so he can only get paid by one person at a time, even if that one payment is a lot. There's nothing obscene or unfair about this, it's simply a matter of people getting paid based on what they produce: entertainment for millions versus entertainment for one. -------------
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: September 05 2012 at 14:01
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Hell, I'm not even worth that much.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 05 2012 at 14:07
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: September 05 2012 at 14:23
Well yes. It's his skill that allows him to be entertaining. They wouldn't care about watching someone who wasn't any good. The medium is what makes the numbers much higher than they would otherwise be though. -------------
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 05 2012 at 17:35
i think the best example is David Backham, overall he is not a superb footballer, he not a Messi (a superb balletechnician), not a notorious striker (Ruud van Nisteleroy  , Raul), a midfieadstrateger (Zidanne), but a extremely good ablitity to place a long passing, an extreme quality which nobody else matches, which makes him almost worth any price becouse of the one thing he can really, really well, to take freekicks, from anywear from 40 meters and to the goal, and 80% chace for a goalscore. this makes Becks almost worth an incredible amount of money, he is a factor that can tip it to a vicotry on one attempt by his sergicaly presice freekicks unvaluable quality, Becks right foot alone is worth 100 million euro  -------------
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: September 06 2012 at 13:53
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It's reasonable. Madness comes when a guitarist asks for being paid for his music. Shame on this old fart. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: September 06 2012 at 14:53
 If I made that much money as a footballer I would just quit, buy The Cayman Islands and fly one of these for the rest of my life. ------------- |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: September 06 2012 at 16:53
 I fear madness for the rest of my life ....
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: September 07 2012 at 04:32
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Although I do baulk at some of the astronomical figures that are being earned in say, the EPL you really need to ask yourselves this question: How many people would pay to see any of you do your job? This massive disparity in earnings gives rise to an interesting question: are the salaries of top footie players indicative of the sort of divisive chasms that a genuinely free market would engender unhindered by governmental controls? I can't help but imagine the future being three quarter empty stadiums (the traditional working class fan can't afford to attend) and the player's wages paid for entirely by TV money and merchandising/image rights. There would be at most 40 professional clubs competing against each other with the remainder consigned to regional amateur/semi pro competitions. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 07 2012 at 05:13
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 07 2012 at 08:59
I consider myself neither an intellectual (I don't have an academical degree) nor an elite. Yet I always feel triggered to utter myself in such a way when football is involved. And I don't think that it is more reasonable to give astronomical amounts of money to any individual either. You're obviously right. This is often the case with industry. I don't complain about high-paid people and I don't grudge them their money. If my neighbour wins a € 27M jackpot from the postal code raffle, a madness even worse than football cult, I'll smile and congratulate him (after having studied the facial expressions of my beloved wife when she has been informed about the winning postal code Saddled with a Christian faith, an advancing age (52 and counting) and 39 years of listening to prog, the stage of worshipping and/or adoring musicians (spoiled and uneducated or not) lies far behind me. I can't remember I ever did, although I'm sure I've been subject to fanboyism. But I still like their music... All too true -------------
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) instead of being jealous because I don't participate.
.Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 07 2012 at 11:20
^I like the reply-by-color style  Thanks for clarifying. -------------
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