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Topic: Bass only:Peter Cetera vs Michael RutherfordPosted By: Icarium
Subject: Bass only:Peter Cetera vs Michael Rutherford
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 10:35
who is your favourte bass player of the two and who posessed the best bass player chops in the haydays of Genesis and Chicago when both were at the creative hights, who is the players player, who would impress most newbies if you played bass lines by Peter or by Michael, who have most impressive bass lines
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Replies: Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 20:59
Rutherford
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: August 23 2012 at 23:58
Rutherford, hands down. I personally love his bass playing, and that tone, wow. A lot of people, I find, tend to dismiss his playing, but he's one of my favourites.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 24 2012 at 00:22
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 24 2012 at 00:28
Rutherford by a million miles. A very underrated player IMHO.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 24 2012 at 20:17
Glad you said bass only, because vocally Mike Rutherford hands down.
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Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: August 24 2012 at 21:02
I do love Chicago, but I've yet to even hear the bass guitar in the band it's all guitar, horn, and drums. So Rutherford easily.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 00:58
Cetera is a killer bass player
the bass is pretty audiable
this song have killer bass
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 01:10
Ruthorford was in Genesis so he has to be the best right?
Chicago's first album is better than anything Genesis ever did. . Cetera easily. The bass line at the begining of I'm A Man is epic.
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 01:22
Sheavy wrote:
Ruthorford was in Genesis so he has to be the best right?
Chicago's first album is better than anything Genesis ever did. . Cetera easily. The bass line at the begining of I'm A Man is epic.
It's Rutherford not Ruthorford. I don't care anything about Chicago. Rutherford wins this easily. He had the best basslines and he was apart of the one of the greatest and most influential progressive rock bands of all-time.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 01:30
yes Genesis is my favouite band and love them darely, but i find Chicago more intriguing and daring, more energetic and brighter. two are great bands who both changed the face of rock for ever, in an almoust equal amount of degree, i would not say Genesis is more influentual the fusion era Chicago, couse Chicago influenced a hell of alots of bands, in the 70s and 90s, both in rnb, AOR, i bet even some later prog bands were influenced by them.
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 01:45
aginor wrote:
yes Genesis is my favouite band and love them darely, but i find Chicago more intriguing and daring, more energetic and brighter. two are great bands who both changed the face of rock for ever, in an almoust equal amount of degree, i would not say Genesis is more influentual the fusion era Chicago, couse Chicago influenced a hell of alots of bands, in the 70s and 90s, both in rnb, AOR, i bet even some later prog bands were influenced by them.
But when we stictly talk about progressive rock, who do we talk about more: Chicago or Genesis? I WOULD say Genesis have been more influential than Chicago. How many prog bands that came after Genesis didn't in some way owe a debt to them?
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 02:29
Mirror Image wrote:
aginor wrote:
yes Genesis is my favouite band and love them darely, but i find Chicago more intriguing and daring, more energetic and brighter. two are great bands who both changed the face of rock for ever, in an almoust equal amount of degree, i would not say Genesis is more influentual the fusion era Chicago, couse Chicago influenced a hell of alots of bands, in the 70s and 90s, both in rnb, AOR, i bet even some later prog bands were influenced by them.
But when we stictly talk about progressive rock, who do we talk about more: Chicago or Genesis? I WOULD say Genesis have been more influential than Chicago. How many prog bands that came after Genesis didn't in some way owe a debt to them?
i can't say i have ever heard any bands of prog site Chicago, but i am sure with their first three albums, of such ambitous nature they had, they had to be noticed, not only by mainstreem rock groups or jazzy bands, but i would be interested if any of the later american prog bands opions about early Chicago, what do members of Kansas think of Chicago Transit Authority f.ex. im sure they influenced some bands in US that are linked to prog,
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 10:28
aginor wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
aginor wrote:
yes Genesis is my favouite band and love them darely, but i find Chicago more intriguing and daring, more energetic and brighter. two are great bands who both changed the face of rock for ever, in an almoust equal amount of degree, i would not say Genesis is more influentual the fusion era Chicago, couse Chicago influenced a hell of alots of bands, in the 70s and 90s, both in rnb, AOR, i bet even some later prog bands were influenced by them.
But when we stictly talk about progressive rock, who do we talk about more: Chicago or Genesis? I WOULD say Genesis have been more influential than Chicago. How many prog bands that came after Genesis didn't in some way owe a debt to them?
i can't say i have ever heard any bands of prog site Chicago, but i am sure with their first three albums, of such ambitous nature they had, they had to be noticed, not only by mainstreem rock groups or jazzy bands, but i would be interested if any of the later american prog bands opions about early Chicago, what do members of Kansas think of Chicago Transit Authority f.ex. im sure they influenced some bands in US that are linked to prog,
So Genesis weren't ambitious? The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is more ambitious than anything I've heard from Chicago. Essentially, though, we're comparing apples and oranges because Chicago weren't apart of the same genre as Genesis and both bands styles couldn't be more different. I don't even like Chicago so I suppose it's just my own personal bias rearing it's head here more than anything.
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 17:39
I don't think he has better basslines (over his whole career), and we aren't strictly talking about prog in the general music section are we? And Chicago is here (rightfully) under the Jazz-rock, Fusion section. If the poll was about who was greater, I might potentially go with Rutherford, but I personnaly go with cetera because I really like Cetera's bass.
My favorite bass in a Genesis song is The Knife, but thats probably because It's my favorite song by Genesis, and Trespass is my fav genesis album.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 17:50
Mirror Image wrote:
aginor wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
aginor wrote:
yes Genesis is my favouite band and love them darely, but i find Chicago more intriguing and daring, more energetic and brighter. two are great bands who both changed the face of rock for ever, in an almoust equal amount of degree, i would not say Genesis is more influentual the fusion era Chicago, couse Chicago influenced a hell of alots of bands, in the 70s and 90s, both in rnb, AOR, i bet even some later prog bands were influenced by them.
But when we stictly talk about progressive rock, who do we talk about more: Chicago or Genesis? I WOULD say Genesis have been more influential than Chicago. How many prog bands that came after Genesis didn't in some way owe a debt to them?
i can't say i have ever heard any bands of prog site Chicago, but i am sure with their first three albums, of such ambitous nature they had, they had to be noticed, not only by mainstreem rock groups or jazzy bands, but i would be interested if any of the later american prog bands opions about early Chicago, what do members of Kansas think of Chicago Transit Authority f.ex. im sure they influenced some bands in US that are linked to prog,
So Genesis weren't ambitious? The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is more ambitious than anything I've heard from Chicago. Essentially, though, we're comparing apples and oranges because Chicago weren't apart of the same genre as Genesis and both bands styles couldn't be more different. I don't even like Chicago so I suppose it's just my own personal bias rearing it's head here more than anything.
when did I say genesis were not Ambitious, Lamb is my favourite Genesis album of all time, and i find it a treat, but i also feal Chicago just had better songwriting, hooks, vocals, were more dissonant, mulitiple genres on albums, almost ecelctic at times, Chicago (second album) have one of the greatest multi section songs in prog one true gem of composition, (i also like Suppers Ready so don't feal like im lowgrading Genesis, it is my favourite prog band, but Chicago is one of my favourite all-time rock/jazz/prog bands overall also, i like them almost equal, and fine value in both bands and i learn alot as a bass player, musician, from both bands, I find both bands to be among the best in rock regarding level of songwriting, fewer bands then Chicago and Genesis, have som many really good songwriters, Genesis had Gabriel, Banks, Hackett, Collins, Rutherford, Ant Phillips, all are superb songwriters, in both pop, prog, fusion, new wave, etc, Chicago have Cetera, Lamb, Kath, Pankow, Loughane, all tremendous songriters players, Parazider, wounderfull musican, much one of hte strongest bands vocaly ever in rock, Chicago is what i would call solid,, but also Genesis is also very solid, so NEVER say i diss any of the band COUSE I dont, i pretty fair agianst both
savey
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 22:55
aginor wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
aginor wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
aginor wrote:
yes Genesis is my favouite band and love them darely, but i find Chicago more intriguing and daring, more energetic and brighter. two are great bands who both changed the face of rock for ever, in an almoust equal amount of degree, i would not say Genesis is more influentual the fusion era Chicago, couse Chicago influenced a hell of alots of bands, in the 70s and 90s, both in rnb, AOR, i bet even some later prog bands were influenced by them.
But when we stictly talk about progressive rock, who do we talk about more: Chicago or Genesis? I WOULD say Genesis have been more influential than Chicago. How many prog bands that came after Genesis didn't in some way owe a debt to them?
i can't say i have ever heard any bands of prog site Chicago, but i am sure with their first three albums, of such ambitous nature they had, they had to be noticed, not only by mainstreem rock groups or jazzy bands, but i would be interested if any of the later american prog bands opions about early Chicago, what do members of Kansas think of Chicago Transit Authority f.ex. im sure they influenced some bands in US that are linked to prog,
So Genesis weren't ambitious? The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is more ambitious than anything I've heard from Chicago. Essentially, though, we're comparing apples and oranges because Chicago weren't apart of the same genre as Genesis and both bands styles couldn't be more different. I don't even like Chicago so I suppose it's just my own personal bias rearing it's head here more than anything.
when did I say genesis were not Ambitious, Lamb is my favourite Genesis album of all time, and i find it a treat, but i also feal Chicago just had better songwriting, hooks, vocals, were more dissonant, mulitiple genres on albums, almost ecelctic at times, Chicago (second album) have one of the greatest multi section songs in prog one true gem of composition, (i also like Suppers Ready so don't feal like im lowgrading Genesis, it is my favourite prog band, but Chicago is one of my favourite all-time rock/jazz/prog bands overall also, i like them almost equal, and fine value in both bands and i learn alot as a bass player, musician, from both bands, I find both bands to be among the best in rock regarding level of songwriting, fewer bands then Chicago and Genesis, have som many really good songwriters, Genesis had Gabriel, Banks, Hackett, Collins, Rutherford, Ant Phillips, all are superb songwriters, in both pop, prog, fusion, new wave, etc, Chicago have Cetera, Lamb, Kath, Pankow, Loughane, all tremendous songriters players, Parazider, wounderfull musican, much one of hte strongest bands vocaly ever in rock, Chicago is what i would call solid,, but also Genesis is also very solid, so NEVER say i diss any of the band COUSE I dont, i pretty fair agianst both
savey
You should really start using a spell checker. Anyway, I'm done arguing with you about this because it's really pointless: I don't like Chicago, you do. Let's move on. Oh, and Rutherford is a more accomplished bass player. A man that can weave in and out of styles like master illusionist. In other words, Rutherford's versatility is dully noted by me.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 26 2012 at 17:16
Mirror Image wrote:
aginor wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
aginor wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
aginor wrote:
yes Genesis is my favouite band and love them darely, but i find Chicago more intriguing and daring, more energetic and brighter. two are great bands who both changed the face of rock for ever, in an almoust equal amount of degree, i would not say Genesis is more influentual the fusion era Chicago, couse Chicago influenced a hell of alots of bands, in the 70s and 90s, both in rnb, AOR, i bet even some later prog bands were influenced by them.
But when we stictly talk about progressive rock, who do we talk about more: Chicago or Genesis? I WOULD say Genesis have been more influential than Chicago. How many prog bands that came after Genesis didn't in some way owe a debt to them?
i can't say i have ever heard any bands of prog site Chicago, but i am sure with their first three albums, of such ambitous nature they had, they had to be noticed, not only by mainstreem rock groups or jazzy bands, but i would be interested if any of the later american prog bands opions about early Chicago, what do members of Kansas think of Chicago Transit Authority f.ex. im sure they influenced some bands in US that are linked to prog,
So Genesis weren't ambitious? The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is more ambitious than anything I've heard from Chicago. Essentially, though, we're comparing apples and oranges because Chicago weren't apart of the same genre as Genesis and both bands styles couldn't be more different. I don't even like Chicago so I suppose it's just my own personal bias rearing it's head here more than anything.
when did I say genesis were not Ambitious, Lamb is my favourite Genesis album of all time, and i find it a treat, but i also feal Chicago just had better songwriting, hooks, vocals, were more dissonant, mulitiple genres on albums, almost ecelctic at times, Chicago (second album) have one of the greatest multi section songs in prog one true gem of composition, (i also like Suppers Ready so don't feal like im lowgrading Genesis, it is my favourite prog band, but Chicago is one of my favourite all-time rock/jazz/prog bands overall also, i like them almost equal, and fine value in both bands and i learn alot as a bass player, musician, from both bands, I find both bands to be among the best in rock regarding level of songwriting, fewer bands then Chicago and Genesis, have som many really good songwriters, Genesis had Gabriel, Banks, Hackett, Collins, Rutherford, Ant Phillips, all are superb songwriters, in both pop, prog, fusion, new wave, etc, Chicago have Cetera, Lamb, Kath, Pankow, Loughane, all tremendous songriters players, Parazider, wounderfull musican, much one of hte strongest bands vocaly ever in rock, Chicago is what i would call solid,, but also Genesis is also very solid, so NEVER say i diss any of the band COUSE I dont, i pretty fair agianst both
savey
You should really start using a spell checker. Anyway, I'm done arguing with you about this because it's really pointless: I don't like Chicago, you do. Let's move on. Oh, and Rutherford is a more accomplished bass player. A man that can weave in and out of styles like master illusionist. In other words, Rutherford's versatility is dully noted by me.
, thanks it was healthy with some nice arguing, music is for sharing, tastes is to broaden or to understand each others sides and look into others ways of approaching music, and i respect that,
also yes , my eagerness is coming away for my non-native english tone, but i will be better at spelling, one can never be to outlearned, when you find you know stuff, you constantly find out there is a tonn more to learn in turn , i don't see any arguing pointles, just lack of agreement, but not pointless, it bare fruits, and we both have learnd, (I have atleast, i nead to learn how to be better at arguing or to discuss things without getting carried away, or to selfabsorbd, (but im not lone in that ), hah
. Cetera easily. The bass line at the begining of I'm A Man is epic.
Sheavy wrote:
, thanks it was healthy with some nice arguing, music is for sharing, tastes is to broaden or to understand each others sides and look into others ways of approaching music, and i respect that, 
, i don't see any arguing pointles, just lack of agreement, but not pointless, it bare fruits, and we both have learnd, (I have atleast, i nead to learn how to be better at arguing or to discuss things without getting carried away, or to selfabsorbd, (but im not lone in that 
), hah