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Topic: For those who like old fashioned synth popPosted By: Windhawk
Subject: For those who like old fashioned synth pop
Date Posted: July 05 2012 at 17:33
Doris Brendel, which some may remember as the vocalist in The Violet Hour, is still active. And I think she hopes to reach some dancefloors with her latest single. Catchy tune not lightyears away from good old Eurythmics but with a tad more punch and working class sensibility. Might even say there's a touch of Chumbawumba in there.
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Replies: Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 05 2012 at 17:57
You wouldn't happen to be familiar with Rupert Hine?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 05 2012 at 18:01
Windhawk wrote:
Doris Brendel, which some may remember as the vocalist in The Violet Hour, is still active. And I think she hopes to reach some dancefloors with her latest single. Catchy tune not lightyears away from good old Eurythmics but with a tad more punch and working class sensibility. Might even say there's a touch of Chumbawumba in there.
not to mention Blondie-- I dig when an artist isn't afraid to emulate a dated sound
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: July 05 2012 at 18:04
Ah, Blondie. I knew that there was something else this reminded me of. Great, now that one was off my mind.
And slightly familiar with Hine. He's partially responsible for the best ever song made about my childhood western hero The Lone Ranger if I remember correctly ;-)
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 05 2012 at 18:14
I was working at a used book store in high school when Immunity came in. Phil Collins was a guest on it. It was what I'd consider proggy synth pop.
Ah Blondie, ate a lot of beans and I got some gas, it made a big fart, blew it out my ass.
I seem to recall Debbie doing some vocal jazz. And Fripp was either a guest on a Blondie album or came really close to being on one.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 05 2012 at 18:49
Slartibartfast wrote:
I was working at a used book store in high school when Immunity came in. Phil Collins was a guest on it. It was what I'd consider proggy synth pop.
Ah Blondie, ate a lot of beans and I got some gas, it made a big fart, blew it out my ass.
I seem to recall Debbie doing some vocal jazz. And Fripp was either a guest on a Blondie album or came really close to being on one.
Blondie with Fripp on guitar from Parallel Lines:
(Apparently he recorded guitar for two tracks but only one survived the final mix)
And live in London (Harry announce Fripp at the end just to dispell any doubts):
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 05 2012 at 19:17
Dean wrote:
Blondie with Fripp on guitar from Parallel Lines:
Wow, Blondie came out when I was in high school but I hadn't heard the Fripp track before.
I was a zombie prog pod freak at the time and didn't pay much attention to the pop at the time. Of course it was the era of radio so it was hard not to.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 06 2012 at 01:42
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 06 2012 at 01:46
I like the tune, but the video is basically like all the iMovie stuff we recorded in high school film class, but with a vaguely decent camera. Cringe.
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: July 06 2012 at 02:20
Oh well. I found the story part of it rather funny. The facial expressions and body language in general - the sheepish smile of the dude that drunkenly falls of the chair and the morning after routine with the gal in particular.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 06 2012 at 02:30
Slartibartfast wrote:
Wow, Blondie came out when I was in high school but I hadn't heard the Fripp track before.
I was a zombie prog pod freak at the time and didn't pay much attention to the pop at the time. Of course it was the era of radio so it was hard not to.
I've been doing a deep search of my brain trying to remember what happened back then (or at least what was reported in da rock press)... I seem to recall Fripp wanted to work with Harry and Stein as part of the Exposure project, with his vocalists being Peter Gabriel, Peter Hammill, Daryl Hall and Debbie Harry, but the record label (Chrysalis) blocked Blondies involvement (though they were happy for Fripp to guest on Parallel Lines), Chris Stein is credited with photography and design for the album cover. Searching on the internet has sort of confirmed that, though Hammill and Harry involvement was as intended replacement for Daryl Hall, whose record label had restricted him to a few songs and in the end Terre Roche and Peter Hammill completed the album in place of Hall (and Harry).
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 06 2012 at 03:02
Fade Away is one of those strange little pre-80s moments where we see a glimmer of interesting music before the suits got their grimy hands on things and ruined the whole decade... BTW which one's Pink?
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 06 2012 at 04:26
Atavachron wrote:
Fade Away is one of those strange little pre-80s moments where we see a glimmer of interesting music before the suits got their grimy hands on things and ruined the whole decade... BTW which one's Pink?
'Fade Away and Radiate' is the highlight of the album for me - I loved that track when I first heard it as the flip-side to 'Picture This', that the album didn't contain more music in that direction was a disapointment.
That whole sequence of events is a fascinating glimpse of the music business vs. the artists at that time, starting with Fripp joining Bowie and Eno in Berlin for the "Heroes" sessions to him moving to New York and finding the GBGB new wave scene that resulted in the Exposure project, which was subsequently stymied by "the suits" at every turn, starting with Gabriel's second album being described by the US record label as musical suicide, Daryl Hall's Sacred Songs being shelved for three years by RCA because it "wasn't commercial" and the difficulties in recording the final part of the trilogy. I've just read that he wanted Debbie Harry to do a cover of Donna Summer's 'I Feel Love', a song that Eno described during the Berlin sessions as " the sound of the future". In talking about Exposure Fripp said: "What I was trying to do in the original trilogy was to investigate the 'pop song' as a means of expression ... I think it's a supreme discipline to know that you have three to four minutes to get together all your lost emotions and find words of one syllable or less to put forward all your ideas. It's a discipline of form that I don't think is cheap or shoddy."
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: July 06 2012 at 17:00
Zappa alumnis !
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 06 2012 at 17:43
Slartibartfast wrote:
I was working at a used book store in high school when Immunity came in. Phil Collins was a guest on it. It was what I'd consider proggy synth pop.
Immunity is a fun album. Waving Not Drowning is even better. Been meaning to get his other album too.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 03:35
Dean wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
Fade Away is one of those strange little pre-80s moments where we see a glimmer of interesting music before the suits got their grimy hands on things and ruined the whole decade... BTW which one's Pink?
'Fade Away and Radiate' is the highlight of the album for me - I loved that track when I first heard it as the flip-side to 'Picture This', that the album didn't contain more music in that direction was a disapointment.
That whole sequence of events is a fascinating glimpse of the music business vs. the artists at that time, starting with Fripp joining Bowie and Eno in Berlin for the "Heroes" sessions to him moving to New York and finding the GBGB new wave scene that resulted in the Exposure project, which was subsequently stymied by "the suits" at every turn, starting with Gabriel's second album being described by the US record label as musical suicide, Daryl Hall's Sacred Songs being shelved for three years by RCA because it "wasn't commercial" and the difficulties in recording the final part of the trilogy. I've just read that he wanted Debbie Harry to do a cover of Donna Summer's 'I Feel Love', a song that Eno described during the Berlin sessions as " the sound of the future". In talking about Exposure Fripp said: "What I was trying to do in the original trilogy was to investigate the 'pop song' as a means of expression ... I think it's a supreme discipline to know that you have three to four minutes to get together all your lost emotions and find words of one syllable or less to put forward all your ideas. It's a discipline of form that I don't think is cheap or shoddy."
Yes, and I like the quote; some even tried their darndest to do that (Gary Numan,Simple Minds,Cocteus,Robert Plant). Gabriel's second was musical suicide, which is what people liked about it.
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 03:40
I like "Everything but the Girl" & "Massive Attack" & "Depeche Mode" but i have no idear if that would fit this genre.
Im an ignorant when it comes to genre catagories (thanks GOD)
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 03:43
Atavachron wrote:
[QUOTE=Dean][QUOTE=Atavachron]Gabriel's second was musical suicide, which is what people liked about it.
What !
I think its a Masterpiece
Fripps production sounds a bit dated, but the music is wonderfull.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 04:08
tamijo wrote:
I like "Everything but the Girl" & "Massive Attack" & "Depeche Mode" but i have no idear if that would fit this genre.
Im an ignorant when it comes to genre catagories (thanks GOD)
For me it is a matter of chronology rather than categories, with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthpop" rel="nofollow - Synth Pop occupying a period from 1977 through to about 1985 - the style of music after that period diversified too much to be a single category or genre and is known broadly as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronica" rel="nofollow - Electronica . EbtG and Massive Attack do not fit into the time-line as "Synth Pop" ... even though EbtG were an early 80s bands, they did not move into electronica until the late 80s/early 90s (after working with Massive Attack as it happens).
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 04:11
I'm old enough to remember there was no such thing as 'old fashioned' synth pop
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 04:34
ExittheLemming wrote:
I'm old enough to remember there was no such thing as 'old fashioned' synth pop
it is an oxymoron
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 04:46
^ Erm...I'm 50 and synth pop was circa 1980(ish) and I've never heard what purports to be new or contemporary synth pop (is there such a beastie oh firm and fruity youthful pear?)
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 05:07
^ Goldfrapp comes closest I think
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 05:10
Dean wrote:
tamijo wrote:
I like "Everything but the Girl" & "Massive Attack" & "Depeche Mode" but i have no idear if that would fit this genre.
Im an ignorant when it comes to genre catagories (thanks GOD)
For me it is a matter of chronology rather than categories, with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthpop" rel="nofollow - Synth Pop occupying a period from 1977 through to about 1985 - the style of music after that period diversified too much to be a single category or genre and is known broadly as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronica" rel="nofollow - Electronica . EbtG and Massive Attack do not fit into the time-line as "Synth Pop" ... even though EbtG were an early 80s bands, they did not move into electronica until the late 80s/early 90s (after working with Massive Attack as it happens).
Reading the article my favorite would be this (find it hard to use the term POP here)
I think of this kind of music as New Wave or POST PUNK
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 05:29
^ Sure - both New Wave and Post Punk are umbrella terms that can cover practically anything from 1977 onwards (though New Wave as a name ceased to be appropriate once it became mainstream .... and old ) - bands did not need to use synthesisers to be called New Wave or Post Punk whereas Synth Pop generally (not a golden rule) did not use guitars... Tubeway Army were a New Wave band that went from Punk Rock to Post Punk over their short career but were not Synth Pop - Gary Numan's first release under his own name (The Pleasure Principle) was "their" first Synth Pop album (and is the only album where he doesn't play guitar).
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 05:54
Dean wrote:
^ Sure - both New Wave and Post Punk are umbrella terms that can cover practically anything from 1977 onwards (though New Wave as a name ceased to be appropriate once it became mainstream .... and old ) - bands did not need to use synthesisers to be called New Wave or Post Punk whereas Synth Pop generally (not a golden rule) did not use guitars... Tubeway Army were a New Wave band that went from Punk Rock to Post Punk over their short career but were not Synth Pop - Gary Numan's first release under his own name (The Pleasure Principle) was "their" first Synth Pop album (and is the only album where he doesn't play guitar).
After reading the article,I think I got it.
Its part of new wave, but with a strong focus on Syntz (no Talking Heads, Cure or U2 allowed, too guitar based )
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 06:03
Yup.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 06:10
I actualy did listen to a lot of that, back then. Ultravox, Japan, Duran Duran, Yellow Magic O, ( Depeche Mode later)
But Japan and Depeche Mode are the only, I came to like enough to get into my own collection, especial Japan.
After the disapointment with "Brilliant Trees"I still remember how trilled I was when Sylvian started working with Fripp on Alchemy - An Index Of Possibilities and even more when i got Gone to Earth.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 06:22
The Doctor wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
I was working at a used book store in high school when Immunity came in. Phil Collins was a guest on it. It was what I'd consider proggy synth pop.
Immunity is a fun album. Waving Not Drowning is even better. Been meaning to get his other album too.
I didn't know there was another Hine album out there. My second one is Wildest Wish To Fly.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 12:42
^Wildest Wish to Fly is the one I'm still missing.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: July 07 2012 at 15:02
Dean wrote:
^ Goldfrapp comes closest I think
Second Decay could qualify as well...
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: July 09 2012 at 12:55