Would You Consider Dating A Transsexual?
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Topic: Would You Consider Dating A Transsexual?
Posted By: Textbook
Subject: Would You Consider Dating A Transsexual?
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 05:44
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This can be quite an uncomfortable question. People don't like to say "yes" for fear of being perceived as a pervert, but they also don't like to say "no" for fear of looking narrow-minded or homophobic. Personally, I think bother answers are valid. I did have a relationship with a transsexual* so obviously I tick the "yes" box. I don't have a particular justification for it, consenting adults can do anything they like. "No" is also fine. The biggest objection, and I totally accept it, is "I want to conceive children naturally". But where do you stand? Am I the only one who's actually been here? *Not that it really matters but no, I don't consider myself gay or even bi. It was like dating a woman.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 05:50
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Dick or no dick?, you decide voters ------------- 
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 05:56
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Why ? I find it totaly irellevant to debate those kind og things with people on the internet. If i had an urge to talk to somebody about my sexual life, i would chose someone i actualy know. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 06:05
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ETL: Doesn't matter. Tami: It's a social issue. Transsexuals are alternative members of society outside the mainstream etc. They would like to be equal and integrated etc. To fully integrate, people need to be able to view them as viable potential partners. Are people in general able to do that or are they doomed to be forever on the fringes?
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 06:29
In the last case, I would recommend them to date transsexuals of the opposite sex... ------------- 
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Textbook wrote:Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 06:39
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SE: Well that happens sometimes. But I'm asking if you would. To general assembly: Who knows, we quite probably have a transgendered person (or several) here on PA. I don't know of one, but it's quite likely with all the users in the database. Perhaps they're not out. In any case, don't talk about them as though they're not here.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 06:39
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Yes, but only female to male transsexuals. No, wait. As a potential partner, I'd be more concerned about sexual functionality than reproductive capability, but personal compatibility ranks above that when dating to seek a long term relationship. So, personally, affirmative for dating, hell, I'd have considered dating guys when I was single, but I never sought that out nor met any men that I was interested in romantically. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 06:44
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Nah, I was never into dudes. Not saying that to sound manly, it's actually the case. Re: the poll question, I was thinking longterm relationship. If we're talking one-night stand, who the hell cares. It's only in an LTR scenario that this would be a thing. The other killer is envisioning yourself telling your family/friends. Most people are super duper freaked out by that.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 06:51
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Family and friends shouldn't enter into it. Unless someone told them, they wouldn't need to know.
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 07:01
| I would tell them. There's always the possibility that they would find out by accident, but more importantly, not telling is kinda like telling your transsexual partner that they're a dirty secret they're ashamed of. If I were TS, I wouldn't want to be with anybody like that. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 07:04
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No. I want a more or less normal relationship in my view. This does not fit the criteria. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 07:31
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No. ------------- 
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 07:32
| I can't force you to, but explanations are kind of the point of the thread. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 07:38
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I believe that based on the subject matter it is pretty self-explanatory. -------------
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 07:41
| No, not really. At least not to me. Remember, I had a serious relationship with a transsexual. I can't presume your reasons for not being able to countenance doing so, unless it's blind bigotry, but I'm pretty sure that's not how you'd put it. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 07:53
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Call it bigotry. Call it freedom of choice. I respect an individual's rights in these matters as much as the next guy, but I still find it strange or creepy or whatever similar adjective you want to interject. -------------
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 07:56
How can any of us forget you had a serious relationship with a transsexual ergo, our misgivings about such must amount to blind bigotry through experiential ignorance. Thank you for allowing us to express this aforementioned 'blind bigotry' in more palatable terms. Blow it out your ass with my regards etc  -------------
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 08:00
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And THAT is how you be an admin, gentlemen. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 08:14
No means no, but I'm happy Textbook has such an intense interest in your vagina.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 08:16
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tough question... Maybe. I don't know. No vote. I guess I'd like if anything to reproduce but then again if I was with someone who originally and still was a girl and couldn't get pregnant I'd probably care less, but then again there's always those women who get pregnant with the couple's baby and sh*t. But I honestly don't know, I never dated one... well that I know was a TS at least.... ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 08:26
Theoretically (I'm anything but an expert), it seems that a transexual is an "operated-upon" transvestite (shemale or ladyboy), which would mean there are no dicks left, no?
Sooo we're going back to the dirty word thread and restate your choice:
real vagina or false (carved-out) vagina
 I'm a lesbian anyway (only like women)   ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 08:28
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 08:47
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 09:02
Enlighten me then...
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 09:02
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No, simply because it's not within my sexuality to be physically attracted to someone like that. However, I am in absolute full support of trans people. They have it the hardest out of any sexual minority today.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 09:12
Certainly, transexuals are people whose mental gender identity don't match the genitals they were born with and have undergone surgical and hormonal alterations. Transvestites are just people who like to dress up in clothing that doesn't match their genders. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 09:24
Reproducing is bad. Why make more children? There are so many children without parents? But then again I can't judge cause I'll probably never have kids. I'll never be able to think of them as more important than music so I should not be a dad. Haha
But to the topic, if they could trick me into thinking they were a woman past the natural smell of a man, the extra hair, the penis, and everything, and they were post-op... I'd be cool with it. My problem is that dick's just gross me out. Dick's are gross. I can't see why all women aren't gay. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 09:30
Perfectly explained 
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 09:34
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I mean, if you are allowed to mentally decide what mental gender you are... then I'm neither. f**k all you males and females.
I mean, if you can change your gender from one to the other, is there a way I could become neither? Cause seriously f**k being a man and f**k being a woman. excuse my language. Or dont. Or do neither. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 09:36
OK,, I used the word transvestite a little lightly, it appears
(toldya I was anything but an expert in the matter
)but are ladyboys or shemales (as seen in pronoflicks) classified as full-blown transexuals??
Sure, they got operated surgically in the breast dept, but in the genitals, no!! ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 09:45
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No - a transexual is a person who has undergone full gender reassignment surgery to be fully changed from one gender to another. -------------
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 09:55
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I wouldn't consider dating anyone at this point.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 10:14
^ Good answer!
A shemale would not be a full blown transsexual. A Sean Tranesexual would be a person who gets these kind of things confused. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 10:30
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 11:06
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No. I'm a blind bigot and I prefer women to have been such from the womb. End of story. ------------- 
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 11:35
Me too. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 11:36
| No, I'm a narrow-minded homophobic (a.k.a. heterosexual). |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 12:02
This. ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 12:30
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I don't think my wife would be too keen on me dating anyone... I can't see "it's okay, she used to be a man" is going to help. ------------- What? |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 12:46
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As with Dean, my missus wouldn't be too happy, either. Thinking back to my single days, the answer would be no, simply because I am wired up to find "natural" (note the quotes) women attractive, but I don't have a hang up with anyone's sexuality, gay, bi, trans, whatever. It's about time the species grew up and allowed people to express themselves sexually in whatever way they want, barring the obvious moral taboo of children. So long as it is consensual, who gives a f**k? ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 12:49
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Why not. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 13:40
Sure, but no one should be in any way condemned for not being ok with dating/having sex with a trans person. Live and let live, but don't get on a high horse about it. (I can throw out so many idioms yer head'll spin.) ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 13:51
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 13:55
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I guess if I inadvertently fall in love with a transsexual, then sure, I might go along with, though I admit that it would probably be strange to get my head around. I personally would prefer my lover to not have a penis, but I'd also imagine that sexual reassignment surgery looks like an absolute train wreck down there. I voted yes, but it's really hard for me to just decide from the top of my head. Anyway, I'll most likely not be attracted to any transsexuals, not that I'm 100% against it. I sure hope the girl I'm interested in now has always been a girl :\ ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 14:31
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No way, I'm not burdened with PC crap, and I'm not interested in anti-social Identity games. I am straight, I'm looking (not on the prowl for, not merely) a woman, a partner with a healthy, genuine, personality, not some perplexed guy who dresses up like a woman and is so arrogant and self-centered that he expects others to view him as a woman. I don't care if he adds boobs, surgical chasms, hair extensions. Whatever. I'm not that impulsive or that unperceptive. I don't see why I have to equate personal choices with gender! Man and Women is YX and XX, this tranny thing is just a facade that can never change that and is based in anti-social grandstanding and exhibitionism. I don't think this trend is going to last either, its based on extreme, post-modernist individualism and idealism that has taken hold in recent decades. I think that it is beginning to burn itself out. There should be no need to do it, no impetus for it, if both genders are in a healthy environment and you can find social expression without sleight of hand theatrics. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 14:38
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Have you ever met a transgendered Roy? Things are definitely not that clear cut, but whatever gets your juices going intellectually - be my guest. Some people genuinely feel trapped inside the wrong body. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Ancient Tree
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 14:40
I would rather be foreva alone than to do this 
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 14:50
I feel so bad for people who feel that way, because if/when they admit their feelings, there will most likely be some kind of backlash with someone whom they care about I'd hug them all if I could. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
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Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 14:54
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 15:00
Why do they feel trapped? It comes down to whether its biological to seek out the social construction of the opposite sex. Which is a contradiction in terms. What is the real reason for feeling so trapped? Maybe its more that you want to break out, then that you feel trapped! People will now treat you with empathy and respect, because your "special." You'll get attention. You'll have an identity to calm yourself, as a transgendered person, a fraternity of others like you. Must I go on? It's a basic psycho-social issue, not a biological one. |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 15:05
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No. If I do so, maybe I will never have children ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 15:07
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Roy: I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. As to all the people saying no, that's fine. It doesn't mean you're a narrow-minded bigot at all. This idea that I'm attempting to condemn people who say no was introduced by ETL who was having a tantrum about something going on in GD. What I said to Rushfan4 was there's only nothing to explain if the reason for saying no is blind bigotry, not that that's the only possible reason or anything like that.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 15:13
Biology has nothing to do with it dude. It is biologically insane to be gay in any way, shape or form, but if you've ever met anybody fitting these criteria, you'll find it wasn't a choice they made for themselves. They were born like that. Not with boobs, but with that mentality. Yes, you may find the odd trans who's in it for the perplexed pseudo adoration of others, but it is almost never a choice from their sides. You can't choose biology, nor can you choose your real sexual preferences ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 15:14
| Why do you practice blind bigotry toward blind bigots? Seems hypocritical. |
Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 15:57
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I have nothing against transsexuals but I wouldn't want to date one. What would I say to my wife?? ------------- Haiku Writing a poem With seventeen syllables Is very diffic.... |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:18
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Will this thread end well? No. It was doomed from the start. Is this about people who prefer sex in various modes of transport? ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:22
| Doctor: What does ending well mean? And it being doomed implies it was begun with some sort of "success" in mind. It wasn't. It can not be a success or a failure. All I wanted to do was see the community's views on the subject. That has happened/is happening. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:29
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It was mostly a joke Textbook. However, the potential is there for some hateful views to rear their ugly heads and some homophobic, etc. views to be expressed. That is what I meant by not ending well (i.e. being shut down for hateful statements). ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:32
| The fact that someone could barge in here and go nuclear about their hatred for the LGBT community, is not even slightly a reason not to broach the subject of the LGBT community. And if that happened, it would be their fault, not the fault of the thread. In such an event, you would censure that post, not close the thread. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:32
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To the people telling they want to date a woman to have babies: you're doing it wrong. FIRST, you date the lady once. Then, a second time. Then, a third time, a fourth one, etc... until both of you agree to have sex. THEN, have (protected) sex on a regular basis, invite each other at home, spend nights at each other's, etc... THEN, consider living together. THEN, live together, consider the wedding or any type of mutual life THEN, consider having one baby. Don't say "I want to have babies" on the first date, you will frighten her. About transexuals, if this is just for dating, going outside and all that jazz, it could be fun. But, hey, that's just me being an European pervert. I could even date a jewish girl or a muslim girl. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:34
| Cpicard: Wanting to have children can certainly be a deal-breaker. If you really want to have kids and you're seeing someone who really doesn't, or vice versa, you're almost certainly just wasting time and building up for a bigger heartbreak somewhere down the line. I don't think there's anything wrong about finding this out about someone fairly early on for this reason. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:37
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I usually tell women early on that I have absolutely zero interest in having children (except maybe with a nice garlic sauce and some baby carrots). BTW, I was not blaming you for broaching the subject, simply pointing out that it could all go wrong. I've seen it many times here. Hey, I've been a part of that process from time to time. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:39
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Getting out of bed can go wrong etc I did consider doing a "What's the most offensive word in the English language?" poll. Now that could've gone wrong.
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:43
You don't get it. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:46
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I think "could've" may be understating the chances a bit. But that would have been a fun half a page before the admins shut it down. Anyway, to answer your original question, I don't know. I've never been in that kind of situation and to be honest with myself, I do not know exactly how I would react if presented with that situation. I would like to think I'm broad-minded. On the other hand, I like even my natural born women unaltered (no cosmetic surgery, etc.). The point is currently moot though as my girlfriend for some strange reason does not approve of me dating other women (whether they were born women or not). Go figure. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:49
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I'm not here to spew any hate ... I have no hatred for anyone based on gender preference, however I like real, straight women. There's nothing ignorant about that. I just prefer natural beauty ... I don't even like women to wear makeup. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 16:57
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Zomby: Actually, I'm the same. In fact there's a point where a woman becomes too attractive and sort of porn star looking where it turns me off, like they try too hard to look great, spend too much time on it so it, emphasise looks too much. I hate the cosmetic industry too. The counter-argument is that being born male but wanting to be percieved as female, a TS has a legitimate reason to put a huge effort into their appearance because otherwise they won't live the life they want if people visually identify them as another gender. I ended up marrying a genetic woman who never wears make-up, but I was willing to take a few detours along the way to see what I could see ;)
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 17:01
I agree with this sentiment completely. Too much makeup, facelifts, boob jobs, etc. are big turn-offs for me. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 17:08
Me too. The sole idea of dating a woman who was once a man, would turn me off completely. But that's me, I respect other person's choice. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 17:16
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It depends how much we like eachother. But It kinda creeps me out, to be honest. But I haven't ever dated someone and probobly won't for a long time, so I still have a long time to descide on such matters. ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 17:21
Yeah, same here. Natural beauty trumps all. Imperfection is perfection for me. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 17:49
Yes that's right studio audience, the contradiction was in the "its not biology, but it is." Identity is a social construction the little dresses and makeup girls wear is a social construction. for a guy, wanting to be the abstract ideal of a "girl" is a social construction These things don't exist in genes. Sexual preference, perhaps does, but that doesn't involve SOCIAL IDENTITY. There are gay animals, they don't dress up as the opposite gender and try to pass themselves up as the ideal of the opposite gender. They are regular chromosome-gendered goats, chimpanzees, etc. humping the same gendered animal. The identity games don't enter into it, and it doesn't for a good deal (the majority?) of gay humans as well. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 17:55
How would a wild animal dress up as the opposite gender? Aren't both genders of any species of wild animal generally naked? ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 17:58
It can be reduced to behavior, I was being a bit rhetorical. They don't become the other gender, start doing things the other gender does. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 18:26
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Wow....
You bring the gene card? But yeah you obviously know a lot of transgendered people that you base your theories on. I can tell. I knew there was a reason I normally stay away from these types of threads, but thanks for reminding me. I'm out. Oh and thanks for editing my original post, so it looks like I am somewhat demented. Beautiful touch. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 18:44
I'd suspect the surgery has gotten better over the years, but no matter how skilled the surgeon you can't make 8000 erotogenic nerve endings out of 3500. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 18:44
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 18:57
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Slarti: You clearly know some TS people. Roy: You clearly don't.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 19:39
I don't know any actually. I find the subject interesting. I find human sexuality interesting in all its weird and wonderful variety. I used to have a book called The Encyclopedia Of Unusual Sex Practices. The flood got it. It's still in print though. We're talking really strange things like blowing up the scrotum all the way to what's considered normal these days - oral sex.
http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Unusual-Practices-Brenda-Love/dp/1569800111/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340325567&sr=1-1&keywords=the+encyclopedia+of+unusual+sex+practices" rel="nofollow - Encyclopedia of Unusual Sex PracticesAmazon has the first few pages. One of the first entries is Acousticophilia. Oh I see they have the glossary in the sample pages as well. Go there if you dare. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 20:10
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Well what I meant and should have said if I was being careful is that you've read something about it. I'm actually quite interested in unusual sexual practises. *cue hilarious jokes* Not because they turn me on, but for the exact opposite reason- I have no idea at all why these things are done and so they fascinate me because I would like to understand humanity. For example, adult babies. Some people like to dress up like infants and soil their diapers, drink bottles etc, while another adult role-plays a caregiver who spanks them etc. From my POV this is completely insane and not even a little bit sexy. I wouldn't want to take part in it if I was paid. And yet there apparently is a group of people sizable enough to make this a known thing in society, with a little industry that runs websites, produces video, sells adult baby clothing and equipment etc Are such people simply perverted? Or do I lack understanding of something? It's probably the former but that still leaves us wondering how/why people acquire such a perversion. People like to say sexuality is innate but that has always been something of a get-out-of-jail-free card for homosexuals and homosexuals only. We don't allow pedophiles or necrophiliacs or zoophliacs to say it, and I'm pretty sure someone saying "I was born an adult baby" would be laughed off the stage. I think the question of how such things develop is much more complicated than "they're born that way".
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 21:35
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Perhaps I should have said "whatever floats your boat." I do believe that, but there are more problematic psychological issues that go into such a relationship besides the question of attraction or admiration. Though of an entirely different magnitude, i think such things as extreme goth style and leather bound skinheads are related indicators of psychological attitudes and attempts to influence social dispositions according to internal problems and deficiencies. These are indicative of certain trends of thinking derived from social experience in the course of ones life, instead of something inborn. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 21:53
| I think you're right, but it's a subconsious choice. Earlier you seemed to be suggesting that some transsexuals are literally thinking "I'm going to change my gender so people pay more attention to me" which seemed absurd. I'm skeptical about such things being inborn but I also don't think people go "FROM NOW I SHALL WISH I WAS THE OTHER GENDER". Like so many other things about us, it's just something that builds up without you even knowing about it, so it probably genuinely seems like you were born that way. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 02:40
Oh bloody hell - I find myself agreeing with The Doctor and Textbook... ...there's no hope for me; I should resign as an Admin immediately http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php" rel="nofollow">  -------------
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 03:05
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Can't say I would. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 05:11
Yup... just content to be a male lesbian
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 06:07
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Well, I think we've pretty well established that most of the guys on here wouldn't consider dating a transsexual, how about a hermaphrodite?
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 06:32
If that "hermaphrodite" was Jamie Lee Curtis then sure, why not? Foreplay might be confusing though..."my god, what a choice!" |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 06:39
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 06:43
 I guess this isn't the place for a strapadictomy joke...------------- What? |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 06:57
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 07:41
So I still owe you an answer. Well, I don't think so, and not only because I have little interest in dating at all. So I vote for No. Maybe it is a mentality of what is called in my native language Wa' d'n boer nie ken, da' vrêt ie nie (proverb, translated: The peasant does not eat what he does not know). But sometimes, when push comes to shove, I may behave otherwise than I think I would.
And I may be even less interested in hermaphrodites...
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 07:57
That seems needlessly self depreciating i.e. you are clearly a discerning and sophisticated individual so why accede to the self fulfilling prophecy that your reticence to confront what might be a discomfiting phenomenon, validates such reticence? -------------
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 09:41
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hermaphrodites? Biologically what are they? They have to be either woman or man, there is no genetic alternative. However, they may be biologically messed up men or women, like Siamese twins or webbed feet. Still I guess if I met a girl and she was disfigured down under (its not like she'd have a full set of male organs or something, but just a muddle), and she was born that way, then I would be understanding. Hey, nobody's perfect, least of all me (Steve Hackett Lyric?). I may sound naive but at present I can imagine a relationship without sex or babies quite easily, so I wouldn't freak if a girl I got involved with was biologically incapable of such things. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 11:10
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Some children are born intersex. What they are in terms of x y chromosomes is irrelevant. On Wiki there's an article on intersex you might find interesting. I went to the article on hermaphrodite and right above Hermaphroditewas a picture of Jimmy Wales. And now, a picture of two snails getting it on... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Snails_mating.jpg" rel="nofollow"> ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 11:57
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To start off: no, I wouldn't. My take on the subject is: there are quite a lot of people who do not feel the least comfortable in their own biological selves. I have every sympathy for them and would support their choice for a sex-change OP, if that enables them to live a happy life which they otherwise wouldn't. For the life of me I can't see why these people should be shunned by society for making a very brave attempt to gain happiness, a process of which the result is even cannot be a certainty. Everyone has a right to happiness, why should people be made to suffer just because society says that this doesn't fit the norm? Society can be pretty sick. There are people who accept such a process and embrace such a relationship, there are others who don't feel comfortable. Personally. I fit in the second catagory. I would not feel uncomfortable having transexuals as friends. Live and let live. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 13:38
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Ahh was gunna make some joke how I am really a lesbian trapped in a man's body, so that works out well, but I think I've been beaten to the punch. And I ripped it off from Eddie Izzard... Anywho, wow IDK. I guess yes? I mean I want to say no...but you never know. If hypothetically I fell in love with a transsexual then I guess so. If you truly fall in love with someone I reckon it wouldn't really matter. Intriguing, can't say I've pondered the issue |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 15:42
I don't think so but it has nothing to do with moral reasons, I'm 45 and I never felt attracted to any being other than natural born women (by "attracted" meaning as for having some sort of couple or sexual relationship, not just friendship. For one thing I feel very attracted to my pets  ).
The older I get the less interested in sex I am (shame on me I know), but I don't see that this fact would turn things over so much as to feeling like having a TS as my couple (a TS who would not attract me sexually but with whom I get along extremely well, and because of sex not being important anymore i would choose the getting along as the most important aspect even if that meant no sex). I don't think that's ever going to happen. Never say never but at my age I'm pretty sure.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 16:26
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 18:19
All a hermaphrodite needs is to date him/herself  ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: June 22 2012 at 19:10
| How hot looking are we talking here?.... JK |