Avant-Punk
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Topic: Avant-Punk
Posted By: smartpatrol
Subject: Avant-Punk
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 13:57
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I think we should include avant-punkl artists such as Sonic Youth, DNA, and Mars. They're just as progressive as most of the bands on this site IMO. ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 16:59
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There are lots of very experimental and progressive post punk bands that could fit in this site. ------------- 
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 17:11
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^^ Nah, avant-punk strikes me as just a flimsy example of revisionism at it's worst (or a nostalgia for something that never happened in the first place?). Practically the entire roster of artists who appeared at say, CBGB's in NY have been cited under this freshly minted tradition. There are loads of plain vanilla rock bands who have discernible avant influences in their work but experimental has never equated to progressive round these parts y'all. However, I can certainly hear the influence of Sonic Youth throughout the entire so-called Post Rock oeuvre ------------- 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 17:14
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I agree, and while I personally think a band like The Fall is progressive, I don't think it fits in under the prog umbrella here at PA. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 17:14
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So what does categorize progressive music after all? Songs with odd time signatures? Because forward-thinking experimentation equals progressiveness in my book. -------------
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 17:17
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Hell free-jazz is progressive too, but it doesn't belong on here. The same goes for a lot of rap and funk. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 17:21
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I find it weird that progressiveness is associated mostly with a certain signature sound than with it's own meaning. But I digress. -------------
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 17:26
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It's more prog that's associated with a certain sound, but I know what you mean. Personally I think most musics have the ability to be progressive, here we just deal with some specific branchings of rock. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 18:29
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Perhaps the one band that embody such defining characteristics of the so-called avant punk appellation more than any other are the Velvet Underground, who have been suggested for inclusion on PA many times and been declined (correctly in my estimation and I ADORE the VU) You've got the avant/drone and classical leanings of Cale who worked with the likes of Lamont Young, the literary influences assimilated by Reed (though textual references are spurious to this discussion) a fondness for daring dissonances, eastern inflected tonalities and modes, confrontational aggression, repetition and bludgeoning volume, unprecedented form and scale e.g. Sister Ray (a 2 minute song that gorges itself for 20 minutes, more Robbie than John Coltrane inspired alas, despite some gauche academics twittering 'intuiting developments 20 years hence' and 'astonishingly prescient atonal clusters' - which for me means it's just as lazy and sloppy as anything on Tago Mago (but that's my issue I guess) The Velvets influenced practically every credible rock band post 1976 but they really couldn't be considered progressive in the sense denoted by PA and similarly for the Fall, Suicide, Wire, Pere Ubu et al I certainly can't discern their palpable signature in anything here apart from some Krautrock. -------------
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 18:44
| Wait a minute, isn't there a thread about this kind of music? |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:16
Funny you should mention this. I had a dream this morning that "progressive punk" was just added as a sub-genre to PA. ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
smartpatrol wrote:Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 23:03
Well, there's also Pronk (prog-punk), a genre started by Cardiacs, who are on this site. Although they don't list pronk as one of thier genres ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |