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Topic: Fish - He ain’t English
Posted By: windymillar
Subject: Fish - He ain’t English
Date Posted: May 24 2004 at 23:00

Hi,

   Just come across your excellent sight, but whilst browsing thru it, came across your entry for Fish, you have him down as English, when in fact he is Scottish and born in the capital Edinburgh and still lives in the City. I'm sure the great man wouldn't ejjoy being classed as one of the Auld enemy, lol




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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: May 25 2004 at 01:49

Amen

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Billy Connolly
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Terry Gilliam
Hagen Quartet
Jethro Tull
Mike Keneally


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 25 2004 at 03:15

  Aye - ye're no' wrang they're, Jimmy!!!


http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001">Kilt

Bitter Suite - Brief Encounter

A spider wanders aimlessly within the warmth of a shadow
Not the regal creature of border caves
But the poor, misguided, directionless familiar of some obscure Scottish poet



Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 25 2004 at 12:57
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

  Aye - ye're no' wrang they're, Jimmy!!!


http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001">Kilt

Bitter Suite - Brief Encounter

A spider wanders aimlessly within the warmth of a shadow
Not the regal creature of border caves
But the poor, misguided, directionless familiar of some obscure Scottish poet

(Scottish) Historical Trivia: In the above quote, what historical figure/incident is Fish being inspired by?

In "groundskeeper Willie's" accent: "You call that a riot? C'mon Angus, let's take 'em tay skuul!" Angry

"If it's no Scottish, it's CRAP!" Angry

The Scottish cure for seasickness: Hang your head over the side of the boat with a penny clenched in your teeth! LOL



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 28 2004 at 08:22

Any takers on the above question?

C'mon, Brits!Confused



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: windymillar
Date Posted: May 28 2004 at 14:31

He's refering to Robert the Bruce and the spider in the cave, and also the poet Bernard Barton (obscure Scottish poet) who wrote the poem Bruce and the spider:

BRUCE AND THE SPIDER

by: Bernard Barton (1784-1849)

FOR Scotland's and for freedom's right

The Bruce his part has played;--

In five successive fields of fight

Been conquered and dismayed:

Once more against the English host

His band he led, and once more lost

The meed for which he fought;

And now from battle, faint and worn,

The homeless fugitive, forlorn,

A hut's lone shelter sought.

 

And cheerless was that resting-place

For him who claimed a throne;--

His canopy, devoid of grace,

The rude, rough beams alone;

The heather couch his only bed--

Yet well I ween had slumber fled

From couch of eider down!

Through darksome night till dawn of day,

Absorbed in wakeful thought he lay

Of Scotland and her crown.

 

The sun rose brightly, and its gleam

Fell on that hapless bed,

And tinged with light each shapeless beam

Which roofed the lowly shed;

When, looking up with wistful eye,

The Bruce beheld a spider try

His filmy thread to fling

From beam to beam of that rude cot--

And well the insect's toilsome lot

Taught Scotland's future king.

 

Six times the gossamery thread

The wary spider threw;--

In vain the filmy line was sped,

For powerless or untrue

Each aim appeared, and back recoiled

The patient insect, six times foiled,

And yet unconquered still;

And soon the Bruce, with eager eye,

Saw him prepare once more to try

His courage, strength, and skill.

 

One effort more, his seventh and last!--

The hero hailed the sign!--

And on the wished-for beam hung fast

That slender silken line!

Slight as it was, his spirit caught

The more than omen; for his thought

The lesson well could trace,

Which even "he who runs may read,"

That Perseverance gains its meed,

And Patience wins the race.

 



Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 28 2004 at 16:57
...and also referring obliquely to himself, I feel


Posted By: windymillar
Date Posted: May 30 2004 at 11:10
yup, would agree with that


Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: June 01 2004 at 11:36
Say your Scottish. Scotland Forever. My mum was from Glasgow. Fish forever.


Posted By: windymillar
Date Posted: June 02 2004 at 04:59


Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 02 2004 at 05:21
I like shortbread biscuits..... does that count??

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 02 2004 at 07:33

Depends - do you mean the "Petticoat" ones, the chocolate chip variety or the really hard, finger style?

Hey - I know my shortbreads



Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: June 02 2004 at 13:17
Originally posted by windymillar windymillar wrote:

Hi,

   Just come across your excellent sight, but whilst browsing thru it, came across your entry for Fish, you have him down as English, when in fact he is Scottish and born in the capital Edinburgh and still lives in the City. I'm sure the great man wouldn't ejjoy being classed as one of the Auld enemy, lol

Check out the new entry for Fish's bio, he'll still be down as English but besides that I think you'll love what's in there

Regards,

Land



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break the circle

reset my head

wake the sleepwalker

and i'll wake the dead


Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: June 02 2004 at 15:56

Shortbread biscuits does it for me Jim,

You're in!Big smile



Posted By: RICHARD GORMAN
Date Posted: June 02 2004 at 17:08

Fish ain't English? Pallas ain't English. Abel Ganz ain't English. If your going to include Scots we'll probably live with British as a collective term (Assuming you apply it to our English, Welsh and N.Irish chums too) but English is just plain wrong. Also, lest we forget, Jamie Muir-King Crimson, Ray Wilson-Genesis, Ian Anderson-Jethro Tull and the Sensational Alex Harvey among others. How about calling Rush a bunch of Yanks? England is not Britain.



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Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: June 02 2004 at 19:37
Originally posted by RICHARD GORMAN RICHARD GORMAN wrote:

Fish ain't English? Pallas ain't English. Abel Ganz ain't English. If your going to include Scots we'll probably live with British as a collective term (Assuming you apply it to our English, Welsh and N.Irish chums too) but English is just plain wrong. Also, lest we forget, Jamie Muir-King Crimson, Ray Wilson-Genesis, Ian Anderson-Jethro Tull and the Sensational Alex Harvey among others. How about calling Rush a bunch of Yanks? England is not Britain.

Whoa! Hold you horses man, I'm pretty much sure that ain't the point of this thread... maybe he's down as English in the site, that you can ask the webmasters to correct, but taking that far beyond its essential intention is completely unnecessary, or at least that's what I think

Stay loose

Land



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break the circle

reset my head

wake the sleepwalker

and i'll wake the dead


Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: June 02 2004 at 19:49
Peace Richard. Welcome to the site.


Posted By: windymillar
Date Posted: June 03 2004 at 15:53

Sorry guys I agree with Richard Gorman on this issue. Albeit I was just refering to the Fish profile when i started the thread but after looking at more Scottish artists on the site they tend to be down as English. I wouldn't mind if we were all catogrised as British wish unfortunately we all are, but a Scotsman, Welshman or an Irishman certainly ain't English.

The whole point of me starting this thread was to try and get the Fish profile changed to Scottish

A lot of people from America etc when they regard Britain they say England. They seem to forget about Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland or maybe they just don't know

Hope I ain't offended anyone by writing any of this as this ain't my intention I am a newbie to this site and I write wot I think so just be patient with me, lolWink

So Webmasters if you r reading this please change it as it is giving out false information for an artist or have us all catogarised as Brits



Posted By: windymillar
Date Posted: June 03 2004 at 15:55

Oh an by the way I do love shortbread biscuits (all types).

 But give me a Tunnocks Tea Cake any day, mmmmmmmmm



Posted By: RICHARD GORMAN
Date Posted: June 08 2004 at 18:48

Howdy. Didn't realise agreeing 'progarchives' should get it's records straight on this would get so many peoples knickers in a twist! I'm not a nationalist or even particularly proud of being Scottish. Hats off to England, my fave prog producing country, for brewing up the first prog bands - including my beloved Genesis. But we ain't them. I'm new to this malarky and thought the point was to post ideas to improve the site. (Anyway, shortbread's fine but surely the Tunnocks Caramel wafer is the Prince of Scottish Biscuits?)   

 



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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 09 2004 at 09:00

Richard

I think you reckoned without this site's warped sense of humour, especially from people who come from countries that are bigger than the UK several times over!

They're only jealous of your wafers...



Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: June 09 2004 at 11:12
  http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001">U  Love the waffers!!!





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Posted By: windymillar
Date Posted: June 09 2004 at 13:45
Damn, I forgot about Tunnocks Caramel Wafers. Clap


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 19:19
What about Tunnocks Tea Cakes...and yeah i agree all yankees think that the UK is Engurland......shows you that ignorance is endemic.



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