Election 2012 (USA)
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Topic: Election 2012 (USA)
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Subject: Election 2012 (USA)
Date Posted: May 02 2012 at 21:02
I can't wait for Election 2012, when I am going to sit on my thumbs and denounce others for voting!  Let the prelude, BEGIN! |
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 02 2012 at 21:04
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Too early, sorry.
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 02 2012 at 21:04
Let the early prelude, BEGIN! |
Epignosis wrote:Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 02 2012 at 21:08
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: May 02 2012 at 23:13
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 02 2012 at 23:23
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I'm between the white guy who won't run or, if somehow I get to forgive myself, the one that will. It's irrelevant anyway. They're all the same. I just want to vote for someone in my first-ever presidential election (edit: in the US)
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: May 02 2012 at 23:30
| Epig: Too early? I'm pretty sure you've known you would vote Republican in a 2012 election for ooh, 20-30 years. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 00:57
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I'm 12 so, yeah, not a concern at the moment
but if I could vote I wouldent this year because I dont feel confodient with any of the Republican canidates, and it's obvious that one of the republican canidates will win so, yay Redpublican ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 06:28
Politics isn't sports for me. I don't root for a team. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 06:32
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 18:53
Epignosis is a god.  |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 19:33
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^You're as much narrow minded as you think you are open minded Roy... -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 20:01
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 22:05
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Not going to be voting.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 22:59
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Voting for Ron Paul, even if I need to write it in (why do people seem to forget about that?? If he doesn't get the nomination you don't need to suck it up and vote Obamney or sit at home ya know) Or maybe Gary Johnson. Person over party. Good to see even here on good ol open minded PA there's still dedication to the party lines... |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 22:59
I will be almost exactly one month to young to vote this November  If I could, I would vote for Romney. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 23:21
As much as Slarti wants to pretend there's a difference between them, there isn't. Obama has just been a continuation of W and Romney would be more of the same.-------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 00:06
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And the differences that do exist between the parties are negligible. Because they agree on all the "big" points. Maybe the GOP wants to control your life extra, but the Dems want to control your money extra. It's a wash. ew that Obamney is creepy as f**k |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 00:12
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 00:16
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I still say Romney's gonna go down like a clown. It's not that Obama's a fantastic president -he's not- but Romney's just *terrible*. Man that business with the gay staffer was hilarious, what a backfire. Romney: Hey guys I thought I'd hire this prominent gay guy to show you how progressive and modern the GOP can be. *gay guy is immediately driven out by religious right, showing how progressive and modern the GOP isn't*
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 00:26
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Of course, it's 2004 all over again. No one liked John Kerry, but he was the "best guy to beat Wubya" He didn't say anything...he was just there to be the guy to vote against Bush. When you don't really have anything to say or any beliefs and are just there to beat the President, you have issues. I'd also say bad as it is, Obama is not as unpopular as Bush was then. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 00:29
| They might be jumping the gun but some commentators are already suggesting Romney's campaign could go down in the history books as a textbook case of how *not* to do it. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 00:39
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ehhh the GOP is just in a bad way. We shall see, but I don't know if his campaign will be "bad" it just, he sucks.  |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 04:04
| In some ways he's a worse candidate than Bush. Bush may have been dumb (Romney isn't) but at least he held his image together as a good old Texas Christian, he appealed to the base. Romney can't even manage that. A large number of Republicans think he's a dillhole. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 04:14
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Indeed, it may be because he's a dillhole! What needs to be done is combine Santorum and Romney, like sew them together into some kind of horrible monster. Placate the base, but have some sanity in there. Also because we need Rick and his dope sweater vests in there. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 07:52
As much as you want to pretend there isn't there is. One advocates policies that would turn back the clock to where even contraceptives would be outlawed. One advocates for economic policies that aren't about enriching the already wealthy at the expense of those of us who are struggling to make a living... What really amuses me that is that the party that has set out to make Obama's presidency a failure from day one automatically takes knee jerk opposition to any thing this administration does even when it's things they previously supported. The Republicans have been very and consistently guilty of putting party ahead of country. They hate it whenever good economic news comes out. They don't want Obama to make a point of how he actually was instrumental at directing the take down of Osama when Bush said he wasn't interested in doing it and Romney was going around before it happened saying that we shouldn't be spending all this money going after one man. I hear a lot of people practicing willful ignorance and historical amnesia. If Romney wins it will be because we truly are the United States of Amnesia. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 08:23
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Obama is going to win for the same reason Clinton won in 1996 and Bush in 2004. Opposing party couldn't put up a good candidate against a sitting duck. I'll vote Obama because my issue is health care reform. He's not what I hoped, but Romney has become a joke.
I think McCain should have been our president in 2000. With Lieberman as vice. Two moderates for their parties (at least at that point).
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 08:36
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ALL I KNOW IS THAT ALL OF THEM WANT BIGGER GOVERNMENT. There are few convservatives anymore... only NEO-conservatives.Everyone wants to control everything.
Destroy politics. Destroy the 2 party system.
Hate them all. Hope this country can hold it together.
PS- your vote on this website probably means more than your vote in the election. And yes I drank my Haterade this morning.
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 08:38
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Oh yea, and no matter what, whoever gets elected is going to get attacked by the other side and everyone will make sure that NOTHING gets accomplished and that they all pander to special interests of donors and pander to their local demographics to make sure they get elected again because THIS IS THE HIGHEST PAYING EASIEST JOB WITH MORE PERKS THAN YOU CAN COUNT.
We should make congress a more difficult job that pays less. Maybe the only people that actually give 2 monkey dumps about this country will end up running.
Btw, I hate everything.
Let's say you spend a super long time trying to build a really great Lego city. This city you enter in a competition. Your opponent STOMPS on your lego city and says "WHY AREN'T YOU DOING A BETTER JOB BUILDING YOUR CITY."
Instead of working on your own city more and pushing your opponent off the lego city you just start stomping on his and yelling "WELL YOUR CITY ISN'T MUCH BETTER NOW." Meanwhile, every city in the compeition gets screwed up and the judges won't accept anyone so they just hand the victory to whomever's dad bribed them the most.
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 17:27
I was just teasin' Maybe I went too far (again) [in the real world I really did go too far on the same day (go figure)....  , luckily the other shoe hasn't dropped on my head yet]I'll vandalize my comment into its opposite ------- It seems we all have different opinions about how the two parties are both the same. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 18:39
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 18:39
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Smurph they all do want bigger government, but remember parties are not just bullsh*t but so are terms. You say there's no true conservatives left, but how far back do you wanna go? Conservatives were originally "the power". The kings and aristocracy. Liberals were the ones that argued for limited government. A lot of these "far right" nutjobs often claim they are "classic liberals" It seems today that the terms mean as little as the parties. It's why I like "libertarian" neither liberal or conservative :D |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 18:45
A bit skewed though...I do think one problem with liberals (erm Democrats) is they get sooo focused on bashing the wealthy (which I'm not opposed to at all) they tend to view EVERYTHING as us vs them, 1% vs 99% haves and haves not. I mean, it's not "you sit back and enjoy inherited millions" or "flip burgers" Both my parents are first gen Americans, their parents had little to no education, worked crap jobs, had no savings. In the 30ish years they've been working they made quite a good climb up the ladder, mainly through hard work. Maybe that's why things have failed so much, that general attitude has been lost I know (hope) that poster is a joke, but by thinking like that all the time it will warp your outlook. I fear you may actually think this way and not wanting what's right and fair, which is what liberalism should be about  |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 18:54
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but not enough for Romney to win. But yes, Obama has been just as bloodthirsty as Bush (maybe moreso). More overseas wars, more aggressive drug war, more gitmo, and now assassinating the unarmed or, in the case of Al Alawi's son and nephew, the innoccent. Add to all that declaring the world a warzone and, through executive order, claiming the power to seize land, reasources, and even citizens in wartime or peacetime and you are left with Bush on steroids. It seems like your opposition is what's inconsistent because I doubt you'd be glossing this stuff over for a republican.Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 19:08
But I keep hearing about how 0bama's going to turn America into the most brutal Communist dictatorship the world has ever seen, plus he's going to confiscate all of our guns, convert us all to Islam AND Atheism, make abortion and gay marriage mandatory, and imprison all dissidents in FEMA camps.  ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 19:31
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 19:32
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 19:46
Ah the problem is most people would agree, your means are wrong though...because they have failed. The more government interferes the more people can petition the government to benefit themselves. I agree, big business and the wealthy are more powerful than us...so why would you want to give them the ability to influence themselves even more??? Or do you want more government as long as it's better government? I used to bark up that tree. It just will not happen. Sweden will not and cannot happen here. I mean it's just a cold reality. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 19:48
Yeah, he is. ...what isn't that he ran on? Don't tell me I didn't vote for a commie terrorist in 2008 |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 19:58
I want better government and don't give a rat's ass what "size" it is. What do you think happens when you cut government jobs? You get unemployed people. This results in a multiplier bad effect in the economy. People without jobs can't afford to buy as many things. People don't buy enough things and then the people who make things lose jobs... And you're really going to have to clarify what means of mine that are wrong and have failed that you are referring to. The next two statements make no sense either. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 20:07
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What I mean is, unless I'm wrong, you seem to very opposed to less government and supportive of more. That more... is the means. You also seem to be in the Social Democracy mold (Sanders, Kucinich) aka Sweden. (that's why I said that) It will not happen here. Even if somehow those guys got their way, we're in such a bad situation. A large, efficient, open and corrupt free government will not happen here, we're too corrupt and set in our mindset. I love their system, but besides the fact it's become unsustainable it simply will not happen here. So if that's what you'd like (as I did) you need to simply face reality. If you are sincere in wanting better government and don't care the size, then we need less. I've been reading and researching for months now, so there's just so much info...but long story short, less is the best government to have. Thank you for telling me unemployment is bad, I was unaware... They will find new jobs. We all do (while supporting theirs) so they will find jobs. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 20:15
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 20:22
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Rah rah Democrats Rah rah Republicans A line from my album, Refulgence: "Our Constitution has grown weak like a field of dying grass. The eagle's trampled underfoot by elephant and ass." ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 20:23
This whole more or less government is vague. What is more? What is less? You want less protection from polluters? Less inspections of food? Less firefighters, police? Less protection from predatory companies? But yes, call me social democrat, liberal, progressive. The reality is that just because you can't have a perfect government doesn't mean you shouldn't stand for things that will make it better. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 20:32
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 05:33
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^ “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.” - Frédéric Bastiat ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 11:36
Not to get involved in anything, but to be serious for a moment.... That remark really misses the point of what socialism is.... Socialism is not about big government vs. small government. Maybe people should call that Keynesian capitalist economics or national capitalism. Socialism doesn't really deal with the issue of intervention into the market. That is a mistaken impression due to labeling of Keynesian and national capitalists. Also of misconception of other economic system wrongly labeled socialist, but based on national centralization. Socialism does not involve government intervention in its economic system or social system. It is based on supply and demand by consumer preference. Social spending is determined by consumer demand as well. Consumer allocation instead of producer allocation. |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 12:18
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want a better future? want to implement euro-socialist practices? or perhaps you want expansion of the free market? do you want a gold standard? whatever you want step one is breaking this over sized and unwieldy nation into 50 smaller reasonably sized chunks. I support anti-federalism! ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 12:22
There are many many forms of socialism... Marxism and Lenninism included, however personally I would prefer earlyer socialistic ideas. people like Saint-Simon and Owen had some decent enough theories that are far removed from communism often these older socialist theories bear striking resemblence to certain forms of anarchism and libertarianism. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 12:35
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I'm not voting Democrat OR Republican OR Independent - I consider myself a political moderate and I vote based on who I agree with most. I think the party system hurts more than it helps - it distracts too much from the issues. I think they should hand out surveys with questions, and based on the answers your vote goes to the person who represents your views best. I'm not completely serious about that, of course...but it's amazing how little people know about the people they vote for...
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 13:53
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 13:58
i will refuse to vote 
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 14:12
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Tomorrow I vote for the second round of elections in France. I hope the "so-called" socialist will not win... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 14:39
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 15:13
I think I explained it pretty well... it is about direct consumer preference... to use a political term, allocation is decided using democratic methods. It cannot work or even exist in a centralized or a market based economy. That's the whole point. That is why Marx talked of the withering away of the state. It's functions are irrelevant. Talk of socialism in either of the two aforementioned cases is misguided, but understandable. Many self-described socialists were advocates of different types of Keynesian intervention in the context of a market economy. If one pays close attention the different socialists will acknowledge themselves as non-socialists and advocates of a opposing type of economics through various key phrases and concepts, such as Social Democrat, which means reform of capitalism, non-orthodox, revisionist, socialism in one country, market socialist.... This terminology is decisive but it is difficult for the uninitiated to differentiate. Once again, they are working from a different concept. Moreover, they usually don't directly pursue this concept, instead they are supporters of a certain faction or trend in capitalist politics and economics, or supporters of third world national consolidation (earlier times). They use the term socialist to indicate that there are trends in capitalism or national centralization that are viable. The historical reason is that these groups arose out of the decline of the workers movement in different decades, and considered themselves heirs, adjusting themselves to new conditions. This creates confusion, which is exploited to create the myth that socialism is simply Keynesian intervention, or even the political support of it. According to Marx, socialism can only be realized by concerted establishment on a world scale, an economic revolution that is established and then realized. There is no such thing as a Socialist policy, or a socialist institution. Socialism is an economic stage which is entirely distinct and closed. It is the lower stage of communism, which is based on a highly evolved and automatic economy with few limits in productivity or operation. Both are future economies, but communism is a state of the very distant future. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 17:25
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Futuristic as in impossible. Rather convoluted wordy explanation but I guess that will have to do. -------------
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 21:31
From the perspective of the times Marx was writing in, the future is already here. Production has been socialized, globalized. We are essentially moving into socialism but being yanked back by the capitalist mode of appropriation and allocation. Trotsky talked of times that were past ripe for socialism, but had become rotten. The tend to retract as nationalist and private accumulation is out of sync with socialized, globalized production. Hence the great depression, then the decades of expansion again toward American efficiency of production throughout the world (US becomes savoir of capitalism), then the outer reaches of this expansion, loss of hegemony by United States (first collapse of Bretton Woods) the rottenness again, finally, the cord loses slack and tightens suddenly and yanks back the out of sync demands of allocation by private and national accumulators. Rather than impossible, it is too possible, so capitalism is destroying its own pregnant development (the billions wiped in GDP being the indication on one hand, national divisions expressing quite a bit more). It does this periodically, but there is a reason why it does it on this scale and namely in this particular fashion in 1929 and in 2008. This is capitalism eating itself, not just having a snack. The conditions for socialism are overripe, they are being destroyed, and capitalism maybe can reduce itself to a position where it can expand again, for a while. But history does not repeat itself. It has little basis for expansion today. Edited by KarlMarx - Today at 21:38 |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: May 06 2012 at 12:29
She got 2 % of votes at the first round of elections. She is on the 7th place (out of ten).
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 14 2012 at 20:12
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I hope Ron Paul runs independent.... I don't think he will, but its going to be really boring to watch Obama landslide Romney. I'd rather have some issues raised by the media refusing to allow Paul to participate. I think its unhealthy for people to be in thrall of the Red Blue religion. Any momentary relief is welcomed. |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: May 14 2012 at 21:26
The aftermath will be anything but boring. I am convinced that no matter who wins, by November 7th DC will be burning. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 14 2012 at 21:39
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Obama = Romney
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 14 2012 at 23:35
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I tried "making a statement" last election with Barr. Didn't do a lot of good. There's really no point in voting in this election. The last thing I want to do is give Obama that bullsh*t "mandate" to continue the status quo, but I really can't bear to vote for Romney. I might just vote for Bama because the GOP has some serious sh*t it needs to sort out, socially, before becoming an acceptable party to have any power, IMO. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 09:44
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If I was in the States, it would've been Obama. As an Israeli, there's a definite side of me that would prefer Romney and his more pro-Israel views (though Obama isn't anti-Israel, really). Even though Romney's side might be a bit too one-sided in order to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict....... In the end, they both aren't perfect. I also believe a more social-democratic approach would be better for the U.S. at this time. So I guess Obama. Boop. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 10:24
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 12:02
 The question is will this open up movement to the left & right of the establishment? So far, all leftward and rightward motion flows back into the two parties, like the Tea Party and Occupy. I guess it depends on there being alternative options that seem credible to people. Too bad, because there aren't any right now.  |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 20:35
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This thing about Romney as a bully in the 60s is making me facepalm. This is like Clinton smoking weed. What a load of bullsh*t. You wouldn't hold any of that stuff against your doctor or even pastor, much less politician, where everything is about opportunism. They are trying to distract from even slightly real issues. IMO the gay marriage thing is a huge distraction as well. What about the economy, the wars (present and future)....? Most of what they have said about the economy are like rhetorical bandages and large doses of austerity and cuts. The main difference is Obama just lies (he rails against abstract bankers and heads to meet with real bankers at wall street fundraisers on the same day!) or brings up stuff like Gay Marriage, while Romney doesn't bother saying anything at all. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 20:42
Women have reproductive freedom. The question is, who pays for the condoms and pills, Obama or us? Osama bin Laden was killed. The question is, who paid for it, Obama or us? The auto industry was "saved." Who paid for it, Obama or us? Businesses are regulated. Who pays for that, Obama or us? Are you an atheist? I think you believe that Presidents are gods. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 22:01
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- Women can use any reproductive product on the shelf but they have no right to use taxpayer money to get it. Not forcing everyone else to pay for your sh*t shouldn't be a partisan issue.
- It's amazing as it is pathetic to see democrats rallying around the assassination of an unarmed man as the rational for Obama's re-election after spending so long calling W a bloodthirsty monster (which I'd agree with). Romney would likely have made the same call and either way it's not a presidental accomplishment as he just sits and watches on tv from thousands of miles away.
- The auto industry is still a joke and will never pay taxpayers back the money W stole for them and Obama stole for their union leaders.
- Obama is owned by Wall Street, who love regulation, by the way (because both parties let them write it). ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 17 2012 at 07:01
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Presidents aren't gods and elections have consequences even if there isn't enough difference between the two candidates. The notion that the left is as radicalized as the right these days is utter nonsense.
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 17 2012 at 07:50
They are radicalized to the right. 1930s | New Deal >>>>>>1960s | Great Society >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1990s | Third Way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2010s | Obama Trauma Reference >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1930s Republicans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1960s Republicans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1980s Republicans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2010s Tea Partly Insane |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 17 2012 at 08:26
Your clinging to the left vs right game is nonsense (which has been explained to you many time over several threads). It's the type of thinking you exhibit that allows both parties to steal more and more power to control our lives. At the end of the day you are no different than someone mindlessly pulling the republican lever every election cycle. You're both helping government grow, driving the country into bankruptcy, giving a thumbs up to neverending wars, including the drug war which has only gotten more and more wasteful and ridiculous in the last 4 years. If you use your classic left vs. right logic then you'll be voting for the re-election of the one of the most right-wing presidents in our history, as far as foreign policy, domestic "security", and "criminal justice" are concerned. Sorry, I forgot, warfare and an utter lack of respect for civil liberties are only "right wing" ideals when the president is a republican. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 17 2012 at 10:26
Hey, I cling to Fahrenheit and Feet and Inches too. It's just a gauge for measuring things. You can "explain" things all you want, that doesn't make you right, it only makes you look like a condescending a****le. At the end of the day I am different from someone mindlessly pulling the republican lever because I am informed when I got the polls. You know big government is an easy amorphous thing to be against, that's why you keep trotting it out. It's not how big the government is that is important as what it does and doesn't do. You conveniently forget that I don't fit into your stereotypical liberal ideal and that I am in fact with you on many issues. But at the end of the day, the lesser of evils is still less evil and if there's just a dime's worth of difference between the two parties, I'll take what I can get. 
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 17 2012 at 14:46
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Lovely. So you're "informed" and those who disagree with you are "mindless" in their voting. Gotcha. And you're not being "condescending" there. Brian, you just can't accept that people don't agree with you, so you have to name call. Same old story.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 17 2012 at 15:18
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Not quite what I said. MoM said I was no different than anyone mindlessly voting republican. I totally accept that there are people out there who mindlessly vote democratic, too. I was merely stating that I was not one of them and I would not accuse him of being mindless in his voting habits.
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 22:14
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You are one of them. The reason I probably sound condesending is that I legitimately do not have one shred of respect for you. You've managed to work your way right down to zero. I mean, you try to save your earlier post (in which you continue your asinine assertion that you're not a sterotype then immediately spew the "lesser of two evils" garbage") by posting a cartoon mocking Obama's employment record and bloodthirsty nature. Yes, the guy is using drones to murder all kinds of people overseas but that's ok because...you know....uh....lesser of two evils. You are all talk when it comes to politics. There's no credibility to you even on issues we supposedly agree on because at the end of the day you don't vote on any issue but D or R. The only thing Obama could have done to lose your vote was switch parties. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 22:34
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Randy Blythe from Lamb of God is, supposedly, running for President. He doesn't state any views except all the current politicians suck, but that if elected President his very first act will be to get shot. Have someone shoot him with a non lethal bullet. Then he needs to drag himself at least 50 yards to medical help. Also that he would submit himself to boot camp, and if analyze our foreign policy, and if he decides troops should be deployed he will personally kill one of the enemies. All this being he should understand truly the decisions being made before subjecting people to them. Ya know....I kind of like it, and may have to vote for someone who's very first act as President is to get shot |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 07:53
Your lack of respect has been obvious it isn't anything new. Neither is your inability to appreciate the fact that the reasons why I vote D instead of R is because of political positions not party. You can't accept that because it doesn't fit your narrative and so you turn to condescension and disrespect because you can't honestly counter my arguments and at the end of the day that is all you have in your arsenal combined with the blanket dismissal of my positions as being disingenuous, insincere, or lacking in credibility. The reason that I posted Ted Rall's cartoon is to engage in a futile effort to point out to you that there are those of us, however you want to categorize our political beliefs, that aren't all lockstep "Obama can do no wrong". There are plenty of critics. Still a McCain Palin administration or a Romney Ryan administration would have and would be more detrimental to this country than Obama's despite all its shortcomings. You can't have your fantasy candidate Ron Paul in the presidency any more than I could have Bernie Sanders. The lesser of two evils isn't garbage it's the reality you have to deal with. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 12:17
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What arguments have you ever made? We've tried reasoning with you in the past and all you do is ignore it and post another cartoon. Rall's cartoon is completely meaningless in this conversation because you're voting for Obama anyway. You are marching side-by-side with the "Obama can do no wrong" crowd in November so all your pokes at him are disingenuous. You bend over backwards to try to show you disagree with him and also to rationalize your upcoming vote for him. It shows an utter lack of spine, nothing more. Ever think that the lesser of two evils garbage is something we have to deal with precisely because of people like yourself? ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 13:05
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Thing is Slart, you only bash one side and not the other. Comes off as partsian Even in your "I'm not partisan" you come off as, well partisan. You never seem to actually bash the other side. "We're not all lock step with Obama" isn't really much So you must understand where we come from, you present yourself as hardcore Democrat supporter. If so just admit it, but if you area kind of unhappy with them/they're the lesser of 2 evils...vote with your heart Slart. Write in Sanders |