Procol Harum vs Black Sabbath
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Topic: Procol Harum vs Black Sabbath
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: Procol Harum vs Black Sabbath
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 09:13
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in this poll it is important to focus on the whole aspects of the band, musicianship, longvidaty, album quality, song-writing which band features the best musicianship, drumming, guitars, vocasls, bass, contrast in dynamics between light and dark in the music, what contrasts the two bands like which band has the best drumming, the drummin by B.J Wilson and Bill Ward who is the best guitarsists, Iommi or Trower/Mick Grabham Brooker or Ozzy/DIo i notice one thing, both bands like to play dark music, moody music, powerfull music, Black Sabbath is the founder of heavy metal, the doomy type of metal, but Procol Harum have a certain darkness to theri music that i would name doom ish, Procol Harum are a British rock band, formed in 1967, which contributed to the development of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock" rel="nofollow - progressive rock , and by extension, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonic_rock" rel="nofollow - symphonic rock . Their best-known http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_recording_and_reproduction" rel="nofollow - recording is their 1967 single " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Whiter_Shade_of_Pale" rel="nofollow - A Whiter Shade of Pale ". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Grabham#cite_note-pc49-0" rel="nofollow - [1] Although noted for its http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_music" rel="nofollow - baroque and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_music" rel="nofollow - classical influence, Procol Harum's music also embraces the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blues" rel="nofollow - blues , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_and_blues" rel="nofollow - R&B and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_music" rel="nofollow - soul . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre" rel="nofollow - Genres http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_rock" rel="nofollow - Baroque rock , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_rock" rel="nofollow - art rock , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_rock" rel="nofollow - psychedelic rock , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock" rel="nofollow - progressive rock , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonic_rock" rel="nofollow - symphonic rock , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blues_rock" rel="nofollow - blues rock Black Sabbath are an English http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_music" rel="nofollow - rock band, formed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston" rel="nofollow - Aston , Birmingham in 1969 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozzy_Osbourne" rel="nofollow - Ozzy Osbourne (lead vocals), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Iommi" rel="nofollow - Tony Iommi (guitar), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geezer_Butler" rel="nofollow - Geezer Butler (bass guitar), and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ward_%28musician%29" rel="nofollow - Bill Ward (drums). The band has since experienced multiple line-up changes, with Tony Iommi the only constant presence in the band through the years.Black sabbaths deep sound comes from the blue scale which has the Diminished fifth or also known as the tritone Originally formed in 1968 as a heavy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blues_rock" rel="nofollow - blues rock band named Earth and renamed to Black Sabbath in 1969, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sabbath#cite_note-formed-0" rel="nofollow - [1] the band began incorporating http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occultism" rel="nofollow - occult and horror-inspired lyrics with tuned-down guitars and achieving multiple platinum records in the 1970s. Despite an association with occult and horror themes, Black Sabbath also composed songs dealing with social instability, political corruption, the dangers of drug abuse and apocalyptic prophesies of the horrors of war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre" rel="nofollow - Genres http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music" rel="nofollow - Heavy metal -------------  
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 10:03
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Procol Harum are nice, i'm definitely not their biggest fan, but i can go on and on about Black Sabbath anyday.
I love everything about the Ozzy years and i honestly think they haven't released a bad song that period, yes.. even in their last couple of albums too. I'm not so familiar with the late 80's stuff because i don't like Tony Martin's voice at all. So the Ozzy years are more than enough for me to vote for them. I love this band!
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 10:19
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Procol Harum. I like the Ozzy Sabbath a bunch though. But Procol at their best (e.g Shine on Brightly thru Broken Barricades) are almost untouchable. (btw, I'm not judging by musical ability; that's not too relevant for me personally) ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 10:35
^ thats okey  im just want this poll to be more difficult or more challanging to pick the band you like mostly -------------
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 13:08
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Black Sabbath are in my top-5 so that's an easy choice ------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 13:13
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depending on the mood both are pretty awesome voted Sabbath ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 13:24
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I could understand comparing maybe the Moody Blues to Procol Harem but Sabbath? It's like comparing Richard Simmons to Mike Tyson. I dunno. Sabbath I guess.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 13:27
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Ozzy ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 13:45
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Osbourne. -------------  
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 14:09
also i compare bands i think have a dark thematics through moth of their music, Black Sabbath are known for their doom rock sound and style, and i have also heard people pinpoint about how much Procols lyrics is about death and dark matters much of their music is very down in mood and well yeah dark in texture and in style, i feal Sabbat and Harum is related somwhat in my head  -------------
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Vibrationbaby wrote:Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 14:53
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Procol Harum
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 16:13
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More emphasis on keyboards from Procol Harum causes their darkness to come across with an "Art Rock" form , where Sabbath in the early days were heavy sounding.. However...Black Sabbath had Rick Wakeman on the "Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath" sessions and even prior to those sessons with Sabbath Vol. IV the usage of mellotron revealed a different side to the band's creations.
B.J. Wilson I thought was a finer drummer than Bill Ward. B.J. seemed more progressive and Bill Ward was a pounding "Hard Rock" drummer that fit the style of Sabbath on the first 3 Sabbath releases. He doesn't tone down until "Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath". I believe it is all based around the reality that Black Sabbath took on a different musical direction with the later albums. Regarding the levels reached by both bands in the early days, I can honestly say that although "A Salty Dog" is one of the greatest "Art Rock" ballads ever written, there is no "Hard Rock" or "Heavy Metal" band who has ever written a song as fine as "The Wizard".
Robin Trower (to me) didn't truly sound polished on guitar until the album "Home" or "Bridge Of Sighs" where Tony Iommi worked on sound structure for "Master of Reality" and came across with a inventive sound that defined Sabbath. Robin Trower utilized distortion , yet was basically asked to play leads when the band felt the time was right......which meant he was sharing a lead instrument role with 2 keyboardist's. So he didn't exactly create the Procol sound , but added to it. Tony Iommi was the force and sound behind the style of Black Sabbath. Neither one of them is on the level of a guitarist like Ritchie Blackmore or Jeff Beck. Their roles as guitarists had more to do with creating the right mood for the band's original sound. Iommi more than Trower.
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: April 17 2012 at 17:02
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I don't really know much Procol Harum other than that one song that was really famous, so I won't vote. But I do love Sabbath's Master of Reality. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 18 2012 at 09:25
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you should listen to PH k,
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 18 2012 at 20:05
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I do like Procol Harum in large doses, but I have actually overdosed on Sabbath many times. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 18 2012 at 20:47
Surprisingly hard 
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: April 18 2012 at 22:51
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Easy for me - Sabbath. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 19 2012 at 01:53
| Procol Harum by far. |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: April 19 2012 at 13:35
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Black Sabbath on the basis of overall consistency. I love Procol Harem, but their albums are very inconsistent IMO. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: The-Winkler
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 04:02
| procul harum |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 08 2013 at 07:22
| Porcol Harum by far. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 08 2013 at 07:39
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Quite enjoy Procol Harum, but Sabbath for me by a mile.
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Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: April 08 2013 at 17:16
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Black Sabbath. They changed the history of music. ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: April 08 2013 at 17:43
| Black Sabbath by a long long long way. Procol Harum wasn't responsible for inpiring much at all as opposed to Sabbath who single handedly changed the face of a great deal of music forever. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: April 08 2013 at 18:20
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Making this choice is so tough...having to leave one or the other out is just wrong...but...I love Procol Harum and think they've had more high quality albums than Sabbath and have been more consistent over their recording career, but the first 5 Sabbath albums were the blueprint for my favorite metal genre, doom, so I have to go with them. "Whiter Shade of Pale" vs "War Pigs", "Home" vs "Volume 4", Gary Brooker vs Ozzy, Robin Trower vs Tony Iommi...even though I can't stand any Sabbath after Ozzy left; for me, Sabbath still wins them all. ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: theadolescentprogger
Date Posted: April 14 2013 at 09:10
| Oh my.... Very tricky question to answer... Hmm, I'll go with Procol Harum, by it's just by a midgie's dick... |
Posted By: MJAben
Date Posted: April 14 2013 at 11:48
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For me Procul Harum has higher highs and lower lows but I think they still get my vote. ------------- The anteater is the worlds fastest land mammal. |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: April 14 2013 at 12:17
| P. H. |
Posted By: Josef_K
Date Posted: April 14 2013 at 19:30
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I shouldn't really vote here but I do anyway. I completely love "A Whiter Shade of Pale", other than that I've heard some average songs here and there and the only album I own from PH, the masterful "Something Magic", not a single weak song on there. Especially the story of the Worm and the Tree is of course shining a light on something that Sabbath never really got around to do. I guess major concepts weren't their strength (which is strange considering the incredible lyricists they had). The closest Sabbath got to something similar would be albums like "Seventh Star" and "TYR" I guess, but they are far from concept albums imo, more of very coherent albums theme-wise. Anyway, I own and love every single Black Sabbath album released to date and could speak (or write) of my love for them for hours and hours, so they win without any doubt. ------------- Leave the past to burn, At least that's been his own - Peter Hammill |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: April 14 2013 at 21:14
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Sabbath
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 15 2013 at 09:25
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I like me some Sabbath, but THIS is high art: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gi7Z3-T_qQ" rel="nofollow -
I don't see these two very different bands as competing for my affections, though. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 15 2013 at 09:34
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From the same concert, with the Danish National Concert orchestra and choir. What a lovely intro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6jyEFe5WM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6jyEFe5WM A reference to Chaucer ("as the miller told his tale") -- not a lot of that ilk in ol' Sabbath. Those classic bands both belong in your collection, but for entirely different moods and occasions. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: April 15 2013 at 12:14
| I think Procol Harum is good, but Black Sabbath is awesome. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 16 2013 at 15:43
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I like Procol more than Sabbath but imo its an unusal pair for comparison.
They are so different that it's hard to even compare them.
btw ..I have noticed some really bizarre groupings like this here on other threads....
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Posted By: RedNightmareKing
Date Posted: April 16 2013 at 19:33
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Sabbath of course. They created an entire genre and subgenres related to it (doom metal, stoner metal).
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: April 16 2013 at 20:24
| Procol Harum |
Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: April 21 2013 at 06:56
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Black Sabbath is my favourite band after VdGG and KC so it's an easy choice..
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 21 2013 at 07:08
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Just how utterly ridiculous do these comparison polls have to be before some common sense kicks in/prevails? Even if this were in the Off at Tangents Thread it would be considered frivolous (and that takes some doing) I like both bands. I also like foodstuffs that are sweet and sour. I like cats and dogs. I like women with short hair and long hair. I like many things that are completely unrelated to other things (but I ain't gonna start a poll about it) Enough already...desist you silly fellow ------------- 
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Posted By: humor4u1959
Date Posted: April 28 2013 at 23:01
Someone needs to go back to prog rock school. Procol Harum were the pioneers of prog rock, my friend. Remember, they had 3 albums out before Yes, King Crimson, and all these other prog bands even existed! Peter Gabriel and many other famous prog rockers have cited Procol Harum as a huge influence. Their first album came out in 1967, for Pete's sake. |
Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: April 29 2013 at 02:06
| Procol Harum absolutely |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: April 29 2013 at 05:56
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: charles_ryder
Date Posted: April 30 2014 at 05:53
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Black Sabbath (Ozzy years) were very progressive band in all aspects.
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: April 30 2014 at 07:18
I suppose that's the inference, but the poll question is who is the better band, not who I like more; not the same thing at all. However I would understand this to mean technically. Take concerts f'r instance, I've some good ROIOs by both and Procol are very tight and cohesive live while Sabbath (as Tony said in his book) made loads of mistakes but carried on regardless. They were actually very tight with RJD in the band and for the other line ups. Both are very innovative in their roots to rock progression. I can draw a line from Bach to Procol, similarly so with Stravinsky to Sabbath (harmonically). I've much more Sabbath than Procol but both are crucial to rock collections - which is what these polls are really about. |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: April 30 2014 at 20:05
Black Sabbath------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: April 30 2014 at 20:42
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......Black Sabbath easily ------------- "Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me |
Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 16:58
| Obviously Black Sabbath are one of the most influential bands of the 20th century (probably just behind Beatles and Led Zep), but looking over how I'd rate their albums, and have many I have by them, Procol Harum win it for me. Shine On Brightly is one of the best albums ever made IMO, and all of them are incredibly listenable and upholding a bar. (Never got why Something Magic has such a long rating on PA as well - one of their best, beating Grand Hotel). |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 17:07
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I've heard one album from each, Procol's debut and Paranoid. Both are solid eights in my mind, but I'll go with Sabbath ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 17:30
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During the 80's I remember having listened many times to nice tracks of Black Sabbath, both from Ozzy's era - The Thrill Of It All, The Straightener (Studio Version), Under The Sun Every Day Comes and Goes, Snowblind, Children Of The Grave, War Pigs, as well as others I can't remeber now, and that few but intense years with Dio - Heaven and Hell, Children of The Sea, The Sign Of The Southern Cross, Die Young. And there is a song which doesn't have much of the genre but is quite interesting as well: Laguna Sunrise. Fluff has also a somewhat different atmosphere. -------------  "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: May 26 2014 at 07:11
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Sabbath are legends of rock ------------- 
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: May 26 2014 at 10:13
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i know more songs by Sabbath (Ozzy era) than Procol Harum, so i chose the former; plus, i am getting into the band's music lately (little bits from Ozzy era). ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: May 26 2014 at 10:40
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I don't either band and never will. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: May 26 2014 at 12:21
| I really like both bands but have voted for PH to even it out a bit |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: May 26 2014 at 19:49
Black Sabbath
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