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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Prog Recommendations/Featured albums
Forum Description: Make or seek recommendations and discuss specific prog albums
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Posted By: desistindo
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Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 15:57
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 15:58
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I don't agree with the an before h. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 16:13
| IMO, you should leave music as it is, take it as it come and accept with it's strength and weakness lol |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 16:29
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Do whatever you want. Who cares what anyone else thinks? Anyway, I never edit my tracks. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 16:33
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It's not heretic: it's just a pointless way to kill time. And a creative way to insult people's works, too. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 17:35
No, I think people who complain about filler and what-not should do just that, then STFU. 
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Posted By: kevin4peace
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 17:47
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I agree that it's kind of a waste of time, but it's fun to do and I do it myself sometimes. People can do whatever they want, I don't see why people are getting so prissy about this... It's not like he thinks he's better than the artist, he just has fun trying to condense the artist's work and having it all still make sense. Power to you! ------------- Nothing to say here. Nothing at all. Nothing is easy. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 18:38
Oh yes, heresy!  It is a sign of the new digital age when listeners only have the capability to hear things in small, discrete packages that are as easily digestible as regurgitated Cream of Wheat. Actually, I write in jest but it does remind me of the scene in Amadeus when the emperor tells Mozart that his new opera has "too many notes." Mozart, of course, suggests the emperor tell him which ones to remove. Good practice for editing, though. There might be a career in that.------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 18:48
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Well maybe a little, although I wouldn't use that particular word myself. The way we live nowadays basically seeps into every little crevice of life. Everything needs to be quick, take away, easy to get out of and something in between. Some things need deep submersion, the utmost dedication and you being patient. It's not that I don't listen to a couple of tracks off a Naked City album to get my adrenalin pumping once in a while, because that I do. I just feel that as a rule of thumb, that one needs to be able to see an album to the door. Just like a story or a movie. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: malibusr
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 19:12
I want to know who Manny is...
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 19:32
| In theory I would say editing songs is rather wrong... but then there are some songs with parts I like so much, but others that I just don't like, that I can't help wishing to edit them... or actually end up doing so. Still, I think the song should be listened to very much to make sure you are not missing something that could just click and make you love the entire piece. |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 19:43
| STONE THE HERETIC! Who is with me?... |
Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 20:32
Cheers
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kevin4peace wrote:Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 20:53
Well, i think you lost the point a little. Im not criticizing the digital format...If would be possible to edit in vynil i certainly would do it... And the general idea is not justto make the songs shorter, you dont got it: it has to do with the own prog failures, are not all progressive bands that are able to make a great composition last for 20 min. Some bands, which are in the "B league", so to speak, first try to make a long song, by presuming that's what progressive bands do. So all I do is take the excesses recognizing the great parties. So, I'm always able to hear a particular artist without torturing myself with parts that I got lazy. Of course this is based on purely personal taste, you may not agree with that would eliminate the songs, but it does not mean that it's insulting to the artist, is only for personal purposes, like I said, and yes it is a positive phenomenon in modernity: customization. If the King found that the composition of Mozart had many notes, he could edit it on his personal computer, without needing to ask the artist to change it in its conception. The result is an amazing myriad of endless possibilities and unimaginable, without any losses for nobody. I have spoken.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 21:38
An interesting point, indeed. However, let the dude do whatever he wants. Maybe it's a moral wrong. We are kind of talking "pornography" here. And if he does miss something, it's his loss. There is nothing we really can do about it.
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: April 12 2012 at 23:55
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I prefer to learn to play the songs, and then improve upon them in my version. It's what Bach did to Vivaldi, after all! ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 01:28
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Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 02:27
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I love long and sophistically arched prog compositions, but I am feeling something like nostalgic respect to creator, I want listen music how they want it in creation times. So you are not heretic for me, but it is not way for me personally.
edit: If you play your CDs on PC (or some other intelligent device), you can easy temporarily to change sequence of short tracks into one neverending suite using some function in your player, in WinAmp for example crossfade with sfuffle for "just in time" self compose. Yes, it is not creative - but very effective.
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Posted By: Gentlegiantprog
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 04:46
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I often edit tracks. Just look at my Frances The Mute :  ------------- Let the maps of war be drawn ! 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 07:54
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I won't bother myself with editing songs. Sometimes, the artists themselves re-record their stuff or change some parts in concerts: Gentle Giant, King Crimson, This Heat or Henry Cow have "altered" some tunes of their own repertoire, playing medleys of some songs. Also, some songs may have been edited to be released as singles: "Roundabout" and "America" by Yes are the first examples which came to my mind. Hey, even Magma's "MDK" had been edited to be released as a 45 rpm! So, let the musicians or the record labels do this job for you (who, me, lazy?) |
Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 12:59
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Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 13:32
I ve never showed my editions for any artist, so i cant say if they felt insulted or not. As I said before, its only for personal purposes. And I think this is pure conservatism bullsh*t. I remember reading some time ago that one guy recorded all the White Stripes songs adding bass guitar. He showed it to Jack White and he loved. It was when Creative Commons (CC) beggun to be take seriously. We have to get rid of that old mentality of "I listen what the artist wants me to listen", this is rubbish. Its almost like if you were thinking in a Renaissance way, contemporary art and modern hermeneutics goes far beyond the usual composer view, you can listen as you want and discover new interpretations for it. And I think prog fans, more than other kinds of fans, have the habit of consider "all that is prog is genious". Thats not true and you know when you listen to some parts of the song and think "that sucks, but i like the rest of it". So, like any kind of music, there is bad stuff. Why cant you addmit there is bad stuff even by your favorite artists? But I would never edit a Beatles song or a Jazz song or a Blues song, because it all has an own dynnamics. As i sad before, Prog tracks, sometimes, has many excesses is its conception and the multiple angles of it make possible multiple variations. And I have spoken. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 13:42
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Have fun with it, I say. Just be careful not to misrepresent the artist's work, and make it clear that it's your own edit and not the work of the original artist. This shouldn't be a problem since you say it's only for personal use, but if you ever intend to share it, make sure you're clear it's not the original work. edit: oh, another thing. Don't try and sell it. That'd be illegal. But you probably knew that. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 13:48
I have spoken? 
Sorry man, but that is hilarious. One thing is to edit a track because there is an ambient section of about 4 minutes. Another thing is to edit because one thinks he/she can do better than the artist. I still don't believe it is a good idea. Too easy and comfortable, but then again I am partial to mistakes. I rather like imperfections, and no it has nothing to do with any form of sacred belief that artists solely have the right and all that, although that may also be true. It has something to do with having the ability and patience to sit down and listen to an album from start to finish. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 15:23
Oh yeah, you definally have spoken (i was consciously pretentious) . But i dont wanna make the impression i am a sort of "easy listener of prog". Its just that isnt every time i have the condition to prepare my Victorian
chair, choose the best wine in my cellar, seal all the doors, cutting
the phones and finally listen to the album. What im trying to say is that listen to an prog album doesnt mean that you have to make a liturgy about that, i listen to prog albuns even in crowded
subways. Its funny, cause this thread confirms
my impression that most of PA members are purists. IHS.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 15:41
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You can call it whatever you want, I don't mind you having a bit of fun with the music. No matter how I prefer it myself - all I was pointing out, and has done so since the start of the thread, is just that we as modern day people need our quick fixes. There is seldom any time for an entire album, which is a shame. It is fine if you can do that too, and truth be told, I also enjoy music that cuts up different pieces of existing music - paste it all together and swoosh: a brand new piece of music is born, ie The Prodigy. I just get a bad taste in my mouth, when we deliberately herald our fast modern times, where we are able to pick and choose within a time frame of minutes - what type of music to listen to, and then not really commit - jump straight over to another one - and then another. It diminishes the work - and erases the journey. I just think some(not you specifically) have lost the gift of real submersion, that's all I am saying really. Sorry if this sounds like I was having a go at you in particular, but I am rather taking a swing against the itunes culture. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 15:46
| You should edit down the actual SONG Frances the Mute |
Posted By: Mutez
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 15:51
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I will admit that i have edited songs before and re-arranged them, but dont think ive ever done it to any progressive rock/metal songs before.
Such as i re-arranged my dying brides song for my fallen angel, the instrumentals in that song go on way too long before singing happens again, and just for fun once i edited bathorys song one rode to asa bay, and made it an instrumental, as i didnt like his singing in it. What you do with your own songs like others have said in this thread is your own business really, if it floats ur boat, do it lol.
Personally i think to do it to a prog rock/metal song kind of defeats the purpose of it all. Its like for example if you concise the pink floyd song Time, you kill what its meant to be about.
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