Morningrise's new idea for a Prog World Cup
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Topic: Morningrise's new idea for a Prog World Cup
Posted By: Morningrise
Subject: Morningrise's new idea for a Prog World Cup
Date Posted: March 31 2012 at 14:32
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Almost four months have passed after the end of the Post 70's Prog World Cup. I've been doing other things and now I want to make another World Cup. This time for Latin American bands only, which are often less discussed than all the others.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 31 2012 at 14:41
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 31 2012 at 14:43
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I am personally not that interested in tournaments like this, but if we're talking exposing people around here to some of the more obscure bands, then you should definitely go for it. I have a fair deal of South American prog in my collection(I actually just reviewed an El Reloj album) - and there are loads of fantastic artists both old as new from this side of the world. I have albums from: Spinetta's various groups, Bubu, Bacamarte, Nexus, Cabezas de Cera, Laghonia, Flor de Loto, Violeta de Outono and some I can't remember right now - but yeah there's a world of music lying just beneath the mainstream borders here at PA. We just need people to venture out on a limb with something that isn't sung in English... ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 31 2012 at 15:40
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I'm for it. I've often wished that more people would take a similar
approach since I think it silly with various "best" tournaments that
really it's just the best know that wins, and some will call everything
else crap without even being fmailr with all of the choices. What I don't like is the 15 ratings criteria example, but instead cover much more territory and keep each round quite short. You'd miss way too much good music that way, and I laos prefer to learn about the more obscure ones. I think you could organise it by PA category as well, and then have a final that pits the one with the most votes from each category. |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: March 31 2012 at 15:53
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I really like the idea. I think it would be an excellent way to find out about some new bands that many of us have never heard, and I would be more than willing to participate. The only concern I have is that we've been flooded with polls lately, due to the whole "survivor" tournament thing (a good idea, imo, but got way out of hand). I'll vote yes anyway because it will give me something to get excited about in the poll section. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 31 2012 at 16:16
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rushfan4 wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 31 2012 at 16:26
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 31 2012 at 17:01
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Dont really know much LA prog but I'd still vote and be an annoyance. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 12:43
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Seems there's not too much interest on my idea. Anyway, the following days I will be watching the scoreboard to see if this tendency changes (which I don't think so). So far, no LA Prog World Cup... |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 12:56
^ deadline April 3rd 
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 12:59
lol. No deadline this time. Just wait until my proposal falls into the oblivion that is the 2nd page of polls.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 13:01
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So in 30 minutes. No wait, this is "General Polls". Hmm. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 14:19
There probably is more resistance due to the glut of contests recently. Perhaps when those die down you'll find more interest (though I don't expect that the majority would be interested anyway since most prefer polls with ones they already know and love and most are unfamiliar with Latin American bands). Still, I think there would be sufficient interest for it to be a good series. And if just a few people discover some music they really like thanks to it, and get exposed to the Latin American scenes, then I think it has merit and is an honourable effort. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 14:20
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If you poll it, they will vote.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 14:57
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If you want to make such a poll, I'd say go. I am not very familiar with prog from Latin America (I heard maybe for or five songs by LA prog bands) and I reviewed two albums by an Argentinian artist (of which one has become rather specialin my book). But if you document the entries by inserting YouTube clips or URL's to tracks like PA mp3 samples, anyone can decide to listen and vote. ------------- 
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 16:29
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Go for it! ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 20:42
| I'm from Mexico, and I don't really know so many bands from Latin America, so I would be very interested in seeing (and listening) to the results. I say, just go with it, anyone not interested, well, they can just not enter the threads and that's it. Just, please, don't confuse Latin America with South America, because then you may end up leaving Mexico itself out, and I'd really like to see (hear) mexican bands in the tournament too. |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 02:16
Of course I wouldn't be leaving Mexico out. The idea is that the tournament focuses on the whole american continent except for the USA and Canada.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 06:59
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I suggest you first to make a poll, if it's ok to make a poll about polls! You got my vote. |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 07:11
This is actually a really good point. Once the current rage of survivor polls dies out you'll probably get a more favorable response.
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 11:52
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Hell why not? I barely, if at all, know any Latin American bands. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 12:00
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I do not know a single Latin American prog group and couldn't care less. I find Latin American music irritating, at least what I hear on the radio. Maybe Latin American Prog would be better? Although I've sampled other countries and liked some of their music, England is really the place where my best music resides. North America is second, but that's hardly a different musical community. I can think of a few German bands that have resonated.... That's about it I'm afraid. |
Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 13:13
| I would be interested, I only know a few latin american bands. From your last tournament I found alot of new bands which has slowly grown into some of my favorite bands. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 18:45
Of course this is extremely obvious to me, but for non-latin americans, I fear there could be some confusion. Once there was a thread about South American prog, and certainly Mexico was "oficially" left out of the discussion (even if it was ocasionally mentioned because of the similarities with South America)... as a matter of fact, I had found it a bit "dissapointing" to have had that thread about South America and not Latin America, since Mexico is more related to the rest of Latin America than to North America. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 18:55
I myself don't really like so much the music from Mexico, and Latin America in general. The tipical latin music (Banda, Salsa, and whatever... perhaps even Mariachi) is really annoying and disturbing to me. And pop music in spanish is very bad too. However, there are a few rock bands who sing in spanish (not prog at all) who I like a lot. And some of the few prog I have been able to get in spanish is really good too, and I enjoy it just as much as I like it in english. Just, don't dismiss latin american prog just because you don't like the more mainstream music from the same area. It would be like dismissing Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Kansas, Rush, etc, just because you don't like Britney Spears or Country music, or Rap music. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 21:58
You are right, and I take that into account, but I also have experienced a severe drop off in prog quality in every non English country. Foreign Prog is usually made to lower standards, is derivative, has lyrics I can not understand, vocals I do not like, or runs down an alley I really can't dig. |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 22:20
Isn't this a bit ethnocentric of you? Are we now establishing English as superior to all foreign languages? I don't see how you not being able to understand the language affects the quality of the music in any way. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: April 03 2012 at 12:17
I can only understand English, straightforward enough? I think lyrics are important, and if its sung in another language I cannot understand. I can fathom that if some prog fans have no appreciation for lyrics in music, then they would have no problem with this, but not me. I don't think that's ethnocentric, just lyric-centric. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 03 2012 at 17:58
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Funny thing: I don't speak Japanese, yet I listen to Japanese bands singing in Japanese. I don't speak Arabian, yet I listen to Algerian, Morrocca, Lebanese musicians singing in Arabian. I don't speak German, yet I listen to German bands singing in German. Oh, silly me, I use bilingual dictionnaries. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 03 2012 at 19:00
As a matter of fact, even though my mother language is spanish, I really like pop, for example, much better in english than in spanish... I somehow feel it is more apropiate and sounds better with the kind of music. I guess a lot of it has to do with there being better quality pop singers in english than in spanish, but there is also a Roxette album they released with their hits all sung in spanish... and even though there were many songs I really liked a lot in their english versions, in spanish they sounded just like the same spanish pop crap. On the other hand, I have just about no problem with rock being sung in spanish... I guess it's harder edge sounds better with the language. Now, whenever I can find some prog I like on another language besides english, I am interested in giving it a chance, just for a change, and I do have found some really good songs/albums/artists; for me lyrics do are important, but if I don't understand them, well, too bad, I'll enjoy the music, and the special feel the other language gives the music. Though, I must admit I have much more prog, and music in general, sung in english than in any other language... mainly because of it's availability. However, even many bands from other european countries choose to sing in english rather than their mother toungue (surely because thus they'll get a broader audience), if I'm hearing a swedish band, I would rather hear them sing in swedish, if I'm hearing a German band, I'd rather hear them sing in german, etc. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: April 03 2012 at 20:01
Good luck with paging through your bilingual dictionaries while listening to your music  Most people will listen to instrumental music every once and a while,. But for some of us the bottom line is the musics got to say something psychological, political, about the human experience. That's the way it resonates. Even one line slogans of pop songs and the like, music is anchored by language. It can only be hoped people don't just listen for backing tracks. Someone should always seek out music that resonates with them using a language they understand. It is sad to think that people all over the world have to listen to English music. Some countries speak English well, and this isn't a problem. In other countries less versed in English, Western music became dance music with nonsense lyrics. This is too bad. For English speaking people, they are lucky to have so much poetry and moving songs to listen to. Music and message are one, and it is possible that a bad message can be made into something more by good music, or that a good message can be hurt by bad music, but one without the other is a waste and not the basis for repeated listening. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 01:20
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I can't believe everybody is talking about if to do the poll or not. Of course there would be some who doesn't care about latin bands, so what? Every poll is like that, not everybody is interested. Just do the poll. |
Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 16:11
| do it |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 17:56
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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 02:12
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got for it, I'm always interested in being exposed to different artists
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 02:29
| It's already going on, you can stop writing here. |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 02:46
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Ah, swell, will check it out
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