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Topic: Ideas for a Prog Radio Show
Posted By: dtguitarfan
Subject: Ideas for a Prog Radio Show
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 06:53
The local NPR station in my town has done a promotion for a number of years where they let people play DJ for an hour if they donate a certain amount of money.  Me and two buddies of mine have made it a tradition to buy an hour and do a Progressive Rock hour.  We really like some of the more modern (and heavier) stuff (Dream Theater, Seventh Wonder, Symphony X, Rush, etc.), but we've been thinking about next year buying two hours, and using the first hour for a historical overview of Progressive Rock, leading up to the second hour in which we'd play more modern stuff.  So I'm curious - what would you guys do with an hour in which to give a historical overview of prog leading up to the modern era?  What songs would you play, and what bands would you talk about?



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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 06:57
No ads? Ads take up time...

How much actual minutes of time are you allowed?

I am taking your question totally serious because I used to make myself assortment tapes.

By the way, who the hell are
(Dream Theater, Seventh Wonder, Symphony X, Rush, etc.)?

I will be making suggestions that don't include any of those.


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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 08:40
No ads.  The actual NPR DJ we've gotten doesn't seem to care if we go a little over 60 minutes.

Are you serious about not knowing Dream Theater, Symphony X, Seventh Wonder, or Rush?  Guess you're not into the heavier side of Prog?

But I'd love to hear any suggestions - I've already made a long playlist of stuff from the 70's through the 90's for ideas but I'd love to hear suggestions.


Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 08:48
Though Rush definitely falls on the heavier side of the prog spectrum, I think they definitely have a place in the history section, as influential as they were in the 70's.  They practically invented progressive metal with "2112."
My computer won't let me post a link, but Textbook recently started a "prog lesson plan" thread where he posted his basic notes for a school lesson he was teaching on prog.  Some of his songs might be good for your radio show.
Don't forget, btw, to include some proto-prog and some works from genres like Indo-Prog and Zehul, which fall somewhat outside the historical outline but are still important and beautiful.


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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 08:58
Well, I guess what I'm asking is - what would your hour look like?  I'm interested in seeing how people would divide it up.  I already have some of my own ideas of what I'd do with an hour for a history lesson, but I want to hear other people's ideas to see what the general consensus is as to what is important to cover and how they would do it in an hour.


Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 09:11
I would probably start it with the introductory recitation for "In Held 'Twas in I" by Procol Harum.  For me, that suite was the beginning of progressive rock.  I know there's all kinds of opinions as to where it should "start", but that's how I would do it.  From there, after "life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?", crank right into "21st Century Schizoid Man".  That should set the tone nicely.

I've been on a long-running thread in another forum about what you would play if you had your own radio show, so I do think about this a lot. Party


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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 09:12
Here's an example of a dilemma - we HAVE to cover Yes, for sure.  In my opinion, Close to the Edge is one of, if not THE, most important compositions in Progressive Rock history.  But it's almost 20 minutes long, and would make it difficult to squeeze other things into an hour that we'd want to cover.  SO, I'd probably go with something like Heart of the Sunrise or maybe Long Distance Runaround/The Fish or I might even choose to represent them when we cover the 80's with Tempus Fugit.


Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 10:19
It is very funny you opened this thread since i wanted to do same.
 A year ago i had the chance of being invited with a friend to a weekly radio show and play the music we like.
Until now we did three shows and although the music is different from the one you played, i wanted to share it with you guys, and this seams to be the right place. The show was about obscure hard rock and prog bands mainly releasing one album!
It was the greatest thing to do, playing this music on the radio. Good luck with your show.



Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 10:29
You're lucky, you got invited to do it for free - we payed money to play our music on the radio, haha!  ;-)  But it was worth it, we had a blast and got a lot of friends to listen who would've never been exposed to Progressive Rock otherwise.


Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 11:15
Yes but imagine how many people would like to pay money and have a radio show, but doesn't have that offer.
You are lucky too!!
The theme for the next show ( if there ever will be another ) is to show how progressive rock in the 70's evolved to be after the millennium. To show the connection between the two eras by playing songs from the two decades. Great idea actually!!


Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 11:25
That sounds a lot like what we're gonna try to do! Hey, noticed just now you're from Israel, Sagichim - do you like Orphaned Land? We played Olat Ha'tamid by them this year.


Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 12:07
Man i'm so glad you mentioned them, they are by far my favourite band from the 90's and not because they are from israel. i have been to a lot of concerts, they have a great show.
They are a little underrrated in the archives, you should check my review on their debut to have an idea about the band.
But i'm glad you already like them. it makes me happy Big smile 


Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 12:44
Sagichim, another tradition I have with my two buddies is going to Prog Power USA every year, so we've seen Orphaned Land twice, and yes, they put on an EXCELLENT show. Though I've seen the Road to ORShalem dvd and it looks like they bring more of the traditional instruments into the show in their home country, which I'd love to see. But the song we played on our show this tear added some really cool flavor to tge show, that's for sure. :-)


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 12:51
I'm getting warmed up

Classic:
Dixie Dregs - Odyssey.

New:
The Reasoning - The Thirteenth Hour


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 13:25
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Well, I guess what I'm asking is - what would your hour look like?  

Magma


Posted By: mongofa
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 13:57
Play some Gentle Giant

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Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 14:17
Originally posted by mongofa mongofa wrote:

Play some Gentle Giant

Funny, I was going to say the exact same thing. Gentle Giant and VdGG are two that I think often get overlooked in "historical" retrospectives of prog. 

They're also great, so expose them to the masses! 


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 18:23
I would do it somewhat chronologically, starting with the earliest albums and bands, and progressing over the years. I know there are a lot of bands and albums to cover, what to speak of styles and influences, so it would be quite hard to do a one hour show and get something comprehensive. You might have to get a few hours, maybe once a week for a while, to actually cover a significant portion of the prog phenomenon, so people could get a real idea what prog is, and how much it has influenced the development of music over the years.


Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 18:27
Manuel, that would be AWESOME...but it would cost a FORTUNE! A fortune we don't have. Remember we're making a big donation to NPR for each hour.


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 19:52
Only two songs required for the first show.

1 - Yes - Close to the Edge
2 - ELP - Karn Evil 9

That will leave a few minutes before the first song to introduce it, a few minutes between songs to introduce the next one, and a few minutes at the end of the show to explain how you'll need about 10,000 more shows to adequately cover the genre.

Good luck.

I used to do a lunch time radio show way back in high school (circa 1975). And all they got was prog. Don't know if any one really paid attention, don't really care. Me and a handful of buddies always enjoyed hanging out on the patio listening to good tunes at least once a week.


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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 20:09
I have always wanted to DJ a prog radio show and even made up a few set lists years ago if i could do so. I would play half old prog classic era, and half the more modern prog of recent years-

Essential songs (from my set lists for radio):

THE BEST OF PROG ROCK RADIO (90 MINUTE SHOW)

 

SHOW 1 – MASTERS OF PROG ROCK

 

1.    2IST CENTURY SCHIZOID MAN – KING CRIMSON

2.    CYGNUS X-1 – RUSH

3.    KARN EVIL 9 – ELP

4.    MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE – HAWKWIND

5.    BY-TOR AND THE SNOW DOG – RUSH

6.    LARK’S TONGUES IN ASPIC PT 2 – KING CRIMSON

7.    ORGONE ACCUMULATOR – HAWKWIND

 

SHOW 2 – CLASSICS OF PROG ROCK

 

1.    WORKING MAN – RUSH

2.    LIVING IN THE PAST – JETHRO TULL

3.    MARINE – KING CRIMSON

4.    LONG DISTANCE RUNAROUND – YES

5.    SUPPER’S READY – GENESIS

6.    PSEUDO SILK KIMONO – MARILLION

7.    KAYLEIGH – MARILLION

8.    TARKUS – ELP

9.    INDISCIPLINE – KING CRIMSON

 

SHOW 3 – TREASURES OF PROG ROCK

 

1.    TURN IT ON AGAIN – YES

2.    THE GRUDGE – TOOL

3.    AND YOU AND I – YES

4.    TAKE A PEBBLE – YES

5.    ANESTHETIZE – PORCUPINE TREE

6.    HEARTBEAT – KING CRIMSON

7.    ANTHEM (LIVE) – RUSH

8.    DUCHESS – GENESIS

9.    KNIFE EDGE – ELP

10. SILVER MACHINE – HAWKWIND

 

SHOW 4 – DARK AND AMBIENT PROG

 

1.    KILLER – VDGG

2.    TO RID THE DISEASE – OPETH

3.    A CHANGE OF SEASONS – DREAM THEATER

4.    BLACK NAPKINS (LIVE) – FRANK ZAPPA

5.    EMPIRES NEVER LAST – GALAHAD

6.    OILY WAY – GONG

7.    STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN (LIVE) – LED ZEPPELIN AND PINK FLOYD

8.    THE KILLING HAND – DREAM THEATER

9.    IN MY TIME OF NEED  - OPETH

 

SHOW 5 – STRANGE AND UNIQUE PROG ROCK

 

1.    WE WILL ROCK YOU – QUEEN

2.    LOVE TO LOVE YOU – CARAVAN

3.    DEATH WHISPERED A LULLABY – OPETH

4.    KOBAΟA IS DE HάNDΟN - MAGMA 
DA ZEUHL WORTZ MEKANΟK - MAGMA
NEBΛHR GUDAHTT - MAGMA 
MEKANΟK KOMMANDΦH - MAGMA 

5.    BOING BOOM TSCHAK – KRAFTWERK

6.    MUSIQUE NON STOP – KRAFTWERK

7.    HALLELUWAH – CAN

8.    THIS IS A MANS WORLD – THE RESIDENTS

9.    HELLO SKINNY – THE RESIDENTS

10. HIT THE ROAD JACK – THE RESIDENTS

11. FLIGHT OF THE BUMBLE ROACH – THE RESIDENTS

12. COMMERCIAL ALBUM (6 TRACKS) – THE RESIDENTS

 

SHOW 6 – ETERNAL STATEMENTS OF PROG ROCK

 

1.    GYPSY – URIAH HEEP

2.    CTHLU THLU – CARAVAN

3.    LOVE TO LOVE – UFO

4.    SYMPATHY – MARILLION

5.    WINDOWPANE – OPETH

6.    NIGHTS IN WHITE SATIN/ LAMENT – MOODY BLUES

7.    LATE NOVEMBER – PAVLOV’S DOG

8.    STASH – PHISH

9.    THE BIG MEDLEY (LIVE) – DREAM THEATER

 

SHOW 7 – MUSICAL PROWESS OF PROG ROCK

 

1.    ASTRONOMY DOMINE (LIVE UMMAGUMMA) – PINK FLOYD

2.    AMERICA/ SECOND AMENDMENT – THE NICE

3.    RADAR LOVE – GOLDEN EARRING

4.    HOCUS POCUS – FOCUS

5.    WHITER SHADE OF PALE – PROCOL HARUM

6.    INNUENDO - QUEEN

7.    CARRY ON WAYWARD SON – KANSAS

8.    HYSTERIA – MUSE

9.    TOCCATA – SKY

10. THE BOB MEDLEY – ROXY MUSIC

11. THOUGHTS OF EMERLIST DAVJACK – THE NICE

12. A CHRISTMAS CAMEL – PROCOL HARUM

13. A CRY FOR EVERYONE – GENTLE GIANT

14. SEQUENT C – TANGERINE DREAM

15. HIGH HOPES – PINK FLOYD

 

SHOW 8 – PSYCHEDELIC MIND BENDING PROG

 

1.    FREEFALL – CAMEL

2.    OXYGENE PART 4 – JEAN MICHEL-JARRE

3.    WILLIE THE PIMP – FRANK ZAPPA

4.    GAMES WITHOUT FRONTIERS – PETER GABRIEL

5.    RUNNING UP THAT HILL – KATE BUSH

6.    IMIGRANT SONG – LED ZEPPELIN

7.    GHOST OPERA – KAMELOT

8.    SONG OF A BAKER – THE SMALL FACES

9.    KARMA POLICE – RADIOHEAD

10. POOLS OF BLUE – BARCLAY JAMES HARVEST

11. REVOLUTION – TOMORROW

12. MY WHITE BICYCLE – TOMORROW

13. SPONTANEOUS APPLE CREATION – ARTHUR BROWN

14. SOUND OF THE APOCALYPSE – BLACK BONZO

15. KNIGHTS OF CYDONIA – MUSE

16. THE CLAIRVOYANT – IRON MAIDEN

 

SHOW 9 – EPICS OF PROG ROCK

 

1.    MOON IN JUNE – SOFT MACHINE

2.    A PLAGUE OF LIGHTHOUSE KEEPERS – VDGG

3.    A TAB IN THE OCEAN – NEKTAR

4.    A CHILD IN TIME (LIVE) – DEEP PURPLE

5.    A SONG WITHIN A SONG – CAMEL

 

SHOW 10 – THEMES AND CONCEPTS

 

1.    ASHES ARE BURNING – RENAISSANCE

2.    HOLD YOUR HEAD UP – ARGENT

3.    THE RAVEN – ALAN PARSONS PROJECT

4.    DEATH WALKS BEHIND YOU – ATOMIC ROOSTER

5.    SMASH THE MIRROR – THE WHO

6.    IMPRESSIONI DI SETTEMBRE – PFM

7.    EASY LIVIN’ – URIAH HEEP

8.    DAY 10: MEMORIES – AYREON

9.    DAY 11: LOVE – AYREON

10. THE WIDOW – THE MARS VOLTA

11. LEAVEN – PROTO-KAW

12. HYPERDRIVE – DEVIN TOWNSEND

13. SURFING DOWN THE AVALANCHE – SPOCK’S BEARD

14. MAYHEM/ CRADLE TO THE GRAVE – NEAL MORSE

 

 

 

SHOW 11 – REVOLUTIONARY AND GROUNDBREAKING PROG

 

1.    IL BANCHETTO – PREMIATA FORNERI MARCONI

2.    THE KETTLE – COLOSSEUM

3.    THE KING WILL COME – WISHBONE ASH

4.    UN MUSICIEN PARMI TANT D’AUTRES – HARMONIUM

5.    SPEAK – QUEENSRYCHE

6.    THE DANCE OF MAYA – MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA

7.    BACK STREET LUV – CURVED AIR

8.    STARALFUR – SIGUR ROS

9.    PEACHES EN REGALIA – FRANK ZAPPA

10. KOBAH (LIVE) – MAGMA

11. YOU KEEP ME HANGING ON – VANILLA FUDGE

12. MOYA – GODSPEED YOU! BLACK EMPEROR

13. COME ON BABY DANCE WITH ME – SHAKTI


  


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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 20:17
yOU COULD ALSO HAVE SPECIALS oops... specials on each sub genre... Italian, Krautrock, Symphonic, Space Rock, Prog Metal, proto prog, RIO etc etc.... if you needed Cds to play I am sure there are heaps of people who could lend them or borrow from libraries. Its a great idea and i would definitely do a show if i had the resources. I have enough music but have resigned to the fact its just not going to happen. My friend hosts a Proggish show each Sunday and its here:

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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 04 2012 at 07:41
AtomicCrimsonRush - THANK YOU!  You've given me some music to listen to, because even though my collection is gigantic, I haven't heard some of those things.  And that was exactly what I was looking for.


Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 10:16
I used to have a university radio show but they sacked me for saying f**k too many times even though they gave me a midnight to 4 or 5 in the morning slot. I would just bring in a pile of albums and play anything that was weird. I played sh*t like Cluster, Agitation Free and Egg. All kinds of crazy stuff that people wouldn't be familiar with. So I would try to stay away from stuff that people would have in their collections. People are going to want to listen to a radio show that has suprises. I played "Stone In" by Guru Guru once and people were calling in like crazy wanting to know whe the freak the band was and how they could get it. That's my two cents. Best of luck and don't say f**k on the air.

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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 15:33

Edit the songs and make a mash-up. It may appeal to fans of the remix genre!

It'll piss of prog purists, but they don't need an hour-long introduction to their style, do they?



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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 19:04
I made myself a prog CD which might give you some idea. It went:
- Shine on you Crazy Diamond 1-5 (Pink Floyd).
- The Court of the Crimson King (King Crimson).
- Tarkus edited: Eruption; Stones of Years; Battlefield (ELP).
- And you and I (Yes).
- Firth of Fifth (Genesis).
- Thick as a Brick - Live, from "Live Burstin Out" (Jethro Tull).
- Starless (King Crimson); here I used the live version from Collectible King Crimson Vol 1, CD 1.
Unfortunatley, my list goes over 70 min. However, as far as I understand, this are the very bigest names from british prog in the 70's.
Another collection I want to burn myself, with songs from the same bands, but kind of harder (and perhaps they even were kind of "hits").

- 21st Century Schizoid Man (King Crimson).
- Aqualung (Jethro Tull).
- Money (Pink Floyd).
- Roundabout (Yes).
- Karn Evil 9, 1st Impression, part 2 (ELP).
- In the Cage (Genesis).
- Red (King Crimson).

And I believe this may even fall shorter than 60 min. The reason why I use King Crimson twice in this lists, it because they were technically a different band, with only Fripp as the common member.

Another list that may contain some of the most beloved Prog pieces from the 70's:
- Tarkus (ELP).
- Thick as a Brick, part 1 (Jethro Tull).
- Close to the Edge (Yes).
- Supper's Ready (Genesis).

...unfortunatley, this list goes just over 80 minutes. If you leave out one of this epics, you would just get your 60 minutes... but which one to leave out?


Posted By: firstlensman
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 09:08
If you are serious about doing a History of Progressive Rock show, then the first show (or two) should be about the pre-1970, for lack of a better word, progression towards full blown Prog Rock. Here is a list that comes in at 59 minutes & 30 seconds:

1. Tuesday Afternoon (with orchestral bridge to next song) - Moody Blues (8:48)

While not strictly Progressive Rock, their use of the Mellotron and an Orchestra backing made new groups think about combining rock and classical music without the use of an orchestra.


2. Peaches En Regalia - Frank Zappa (3:39)

Zappa diving into Fusion from the Rock side of things.


3. Interstellar Overdrive - Pink Floyd (9:41)

One of the earliest examples of Space Rock.


4. Hope For Happiness/Joy Of A Toy/Hope For Happiness (reprise) - The Soft Machine (8:19)

Merges psychedelia and jazz/rock. While you can play the first song, "Hope For Happiness" (4:21), I like playing the first three as one song. I merged them into 1 mp3 on my I-pod.


5. Dear Mr. Fantasy - Traffic (5:44)

While still having the pop touch in the style of The Beatles's Sgt. Pepper album, they were combining in Blues rock, Indian music, and extended jams. One of the proto Eclectic Prog bands.


6. Repent Walpurgis - Procol Harum (5:04)

This is a Bach-influenced song that should not be overlooked in the history of Prog Rock.


7. Kings and Queens - Renaissance (10:55)

Symphonic Progressive Rock with Jazz influences. One of the few Prog bands with a female singer.


8. 21st Century Schizoid Man - King Crimson (7:20)

Most of these songs came out in 1969 and signaled the end of the Hippy generation. The musical Hair which came out the year before amounted to a celebration where everyone was already heading for the door. But, this album out of all of them marks the true end of the 60s and paves the way for other bands to explore progressive rock. Yes abandoned the path of their first two albums. Genesis abandoned the Bee Gees style music of their first album. and some highly experimental groups such as Van der Graff Generator and Magma came down like a bolt from the sky.


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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 09:18
Good list...but...the problem is that we're paying the radio station for each hour...and we're not rich. I want to get from the 70's up to 2000 in an hour. But I wish we could take our time and do an hour for each decade.


Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 09:57
Why don't they pay you? I don't get i. What sort of demographic is this station trying to reach ? Depends on the time slot. You don't want to be playing " Im Suden" by Cluster during rush hour. I don't really think it's possible to extrapolate progrock in a one hour time frame. The mash up idea is good for one hour as thehallway suggests. I think it will be your only way out. Or just select shorter prog pieces or single versions if you can get your paws on them. There was even a press package EP  for Tales From Topographic Oceans that featured sections of each epic track that I came across once in a record store back in the 70s. Should have grabbed it.
I think that I could pull off a decent synopsis of progrock from the seventies through to the present day in one hour using shorter tracks and cut down versions.. I would conclude by telling the audience that you were just scratching the surface and there is a lot more where that came from.




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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 10:15
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

The local NPR station in my town has done a promotion for a number of years where they let people play DJ for an hour if they donate a certain amount of money.  Me and two buddies of mine have made it a tradition to buy an hour and do a Progressive Rock hour.
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I had to tell off the lady in charge of KBOO here in Portland about 10 years ago ... when she was asking me to tell her in 5 minutes the "social significance of progressive music" ... which is something she asked everyone of the shows she had scheduled in her "station". KBOO is still the most pretentious of stations around Portland! And the way that music and the stuff is presented over there is so "street" styled, that it makes NY and London look like Paradise!
 
All in all, I can tell you the example with Guy Guden in Santa Barbara, who took an amazing beating from a couple of folks that are best being forgotten, but his show endured for over 25 years ... and deserved to, for having played the widest array of music anywhere and the single greatest list of imports (these were called imports then in America) ever ... where too much of the rest of the folks did not see a lot of these things as music ... they saw it as another hit on the radio and Golden Earring was not "rock'n'roll" ... to which Guy had to say ... who cares ... it's great music!
 
All in all, it's hard on a show with your ideals to get something done right ... but take the top ten off this board (do not repeat the artist!) and play one piece from that album ... and fill up the hours likewise ... you will endup with a lot more than 2 hours if you respect the length of the pieces, but you will have a show, that when you record it for yourself, is something to be proud of.
 
To many of the shows at KBOO and other NPR stations, it becomes a venue for giving your friends and countrymen a listen a little more, and while there is some merit to that, in the end, the music itself suffers a lot more because they are not interested in the music, and sometimes too much on the culture itself ... and "art" is not a culture that it wants to involve itself in at NPR ... unless you are in Los Angeles or San Francisco where those outlets have been famous for turning the knobs and not being automatons and small timers at all.
 
This is about you ... and the music you know and believe in. Any suggestion we make becomes superfluous ... but I would probably not play DT or Rush ... in the first 3 hours ... there is way too much to fill in those 3 hours and Rush is already 2nd generation "progressive" and while I have a lot of respect for Dream Theater and some of their work, I'm not sure I would have enough time to fit them in. Maybe on the third show, or the 5th or 6th hour I would play something from that album with an Orchestra, the album the few people like that shows the musicianship that "progressive" folks are known for and usually admired for their outstanding musical abilities. And deservedly so.


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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 10:52
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Why don't they pay you?


Because 1) it's the local NPR station trying to raise money and 2) wake up, most people don't care about prog rock! ;-) How long have you listened to the genre and you don't know that?
We're just doing this to try to introduce people to the genre who otherwise would have never heard if it and because we love this music. And we have ideas for the next show, I just thought it would be fun to see how other people would pull it off.


Posted By: firstlensman
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 10:54
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Good list...but...the problem is that we're paying the radio station for each hour...and we're not rich. I want to get from the 70's up to 2000 in an hour. But I wish we could take our time and do an hour for each decade.


That's tough, The period from 1969 to 1974 would take several hours. And, an hour would not do justice to a lot of long Progressive Rock songs. I could do many hours where each hour would be only one or two songs. But, since you challenged me, I came up with the following set that clocks in at 60:02. I am sure you can shave a couple of dead air seconds off to get it to 60 minutes flat...

1. 21st Century Schizoid Man - King Crimson (7:20) - 1960s
2. Perpetual Change - Yes (8:50) - 1970s
3. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight - Genesis (8:01) - 1970s
4. Knife-Edge - ELP (5:08) - 1970s
5. So Sincere - Gentle Giant (3:52) - 1970s
6. Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd (5:34) - 1970s
7. Red Barchetta - Rush (6:08) - 1980s
8. The Great Escape - Marillion (5:02) - 1990s
9. There Is More To This World - The Flower Kings (10:07) - 1990s

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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 10:59
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Why don't they pay you?


Because 1) it's the local NPR station trying to raise money and 2) wake up, most people don't care about prog rock! ;-) How long have you listened to the genre and you don't know that?
We're just doing this to try to introduce people to the genre who otherwise would have never heard if it and because we love this music. And we have ideas for the next show, I just thought it would be fun to see how other people would pull it off.


I'm in Montrιal and there is still a last bastion here. Used to be really big in the 70s even the early 80s. I didn't get paid for the university station ( which I'm returning to this summer ) but they gave me all kinds of promos from record companies that nobody at the station wanted including lots of stuff from revisited records.


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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 11:42
Thanks for taking the challenge firstlensman! And that's a pretty good list too, by the way!


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 11:59
Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Edit the songs and make a mash-up. It may appeal to fans of the remix genre!

It'll piss of prog purists, but they don't need an hour-long introduction to their style, do they?

 
I can relate to the idea ... but it doesn't help magnify or cement the music and its history.
 
My biggest concern is someone simply playing their favorite 5 bands, and the rest of the music is ignored. I, personally, do not feel that Rush or Dream Theater bring a whole lot to the realm of "progressive" that had not been done before ... but I will always respect their quite obvious excellent ability and talents.
 
But yeah ... sometimes playing the weirddest and the strangest and the stuff tht you don't know, and neither does anyone else, is often the best solution ... you know why? ... a few months later you know better how to mix and match things and make for a more enjoyable listening experience, instead of yet another "radio jock moron" out there that is not even listening to what is being played ... because they play the hits, not the music ... and herein is the secret ... make sure you play the "MUSIC" ... not necessarily the "hits".
 
The first "mind melts" I ever heard were in Los Angeles's KPFK station with a guy named "Captain Midnight" and he used to make the weirdest and most off the wall mixes ever ... but I remember hearing many off the wall things in there that I chased down later for what they were ... progressive or bs or not!


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 12:18
Originally posted by firstlensman firstlensman wrote:

1. 21st Century Schizoid Man - King Crimson (7:20) - 1960s
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I probably would no longer use this at all ... why? ... it's over played and it's meaning is worthless these days ... and folks are afraid of discussing it ... because it doesn't mean anything to anyone anymore and today, just about no one in this board has "nothing to fight for" ... except music ... not the freedom that it stood up to, and the noise that it made fun of!
 
I would rather have played the piece about the Wind ... or Epitath ... as a way of saying that 40 some years later ... nothing has changed ... and this is the power, strength and beauty of the majority of "progressive" that we refuse to give credit to these days in favor of a lot of noise and loud guitars that supposedly mean something or other ... but the words are vague and innocuous and a lot of doggy do about nothing -- that we call progressive ... because we don't know what the term means!
 
If anything ... and I would like to stress this ... make sure that what you play is about the real "meat" of what progressive is ... not an idea, mind you ... and go from there.


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Posted By: Wafflesyrup
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 12:39
Just play Crimson man, it's easy. Start from In the Court and work your way to The Power to Believe, everyone's happy.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 19:04
I thought you wanted to do 70's prog, not all decades. I guess it would be best to choose one (or two) of the most representative songs of prog from each decade.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 10:30
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

2.    AMERICA/ SECOND AMENDMENT – THE NICE
 
No way .... you gotta follow this up with YES'  version of America ... which was the piece that really got them noticed here, before the YES ALBUM came out. FM radio liked playing that version even though it was not in their first two albums, but the radio stations in LA (klos-knac and kmet) all had the promos.
 
I probably would cut down the repetition of the same groups/bands, and spread things around more with Japan, Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Spain and many other countries that also had progressive music ... but very few of us ever spent time listening to them.
 
Again ... a show about favorites is NOT a progressive music show ... it's a show about one's favorites, the way I look at it. Or some idea that we mold/blend to make it seem progressive ... when in reality  half of it is not. This is what two thirds of the radio shows in that Live 365 thing calls progressive are all about.
 
They are not interested in anything trully progressive, and progrock.com is nowhere near progressive. It is way too hit oriented with things sounding the same!
 


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 10:49
Hi,
 
I'm putting together a "favorite" pieces thing that will go on my website. Some of it is progressive, and some of it is so progressive that some folks here will never hear it due to their "style" preference and thing ... and we will go from there ... but one thing I can tell you about ... at least 5 countries in the first 10 pieces ...
 
I was thinking of taking the Missa Luba and mixing it with the Pipes of Pan, and add one of them Andy Summers guitar things, and call it something off the wall, and say this is the brand new progressive thing ...
 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 10:53
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

2.    AMERICA/ SECOND AMENDMENT – THE NICE
 
No way .... you gotta follow this up with YES'  version of America ... 

It isn't a different version but a different piece.


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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 11:22
moshkito, couple things. First off, this is really a just for fun thing me and my buddies do once a year, and our hope is that we'll expose people to music they wouldn't otherwise listen to and MAYBE they'll like it enough that it will draw them in. Because of this, we do want to play things that wouldn't normally be played on the radio but don't want to get so crazy that we turn off potential listeners. Secondly, I'm starting to wonder if our definitions of "progressive" differ? I've heard some people say "this isn't progressive" or "that's not progressive" and it seems their definition is that nothing is progressive unless it doesn't sound anything like anything else that's ever been done. And that's a great usage of the literal english translation of the word, but I don't think it captures the meaning if the term as it relates to music when people say "progressive rock". Plus that's an impossible standard to achieve - there would only be a handful of truly progressive musicians and they would've all lived thousands of years ago. But I think the main idea of progressive music is to achieve complexity by using these four main techniques:
1) using a composition style that flows more like a narrative than the common verse/chorus or poetical compositional style that is so over used in pop.
2) number 1 often naturally results in the second common characteristic of prog which is epic length, ir longer compositions.
3) songs often include very technical all-instrumental sections
4) the usage of uncommon metres or compound time.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 11:36
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

2.    AMERICA/ SECOND AMENDMENT – THE NICE
 
No way .... you gotta follow this up with YES'  version of America ... 

It isn't a different version but a different piece.
 
I never thought of it as the same piece ... just the title ... you've heard of that over rated thing on radio ... let's do a series of teacher songs and all that ... heck ... we can do a pair of "America" pieces, and they are both quite progressive.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 13:12
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

2.    AMERICA/ SECOND AMENDMENT – THE NICE
 
No way .... you gotta follow this up with YES'  version of America ... which was the piece that really got them noticed here, before the YES ALBUM came out. FM radio liked playing that version even though it was not in their first two albums, but the radio stations in LA (klos-knac and kmet) all had the promos.
 
There is enough confusion surrounding this track as it is. LOL Those "promos" must have been bootleg live recordings because America was recorded in 1971, specifically for the Atlantic sampler "The New Age Of Atlantic" that was released in 1972. Although Tony Kaye did the original arrangement, he had left the band when the recordign was made, so Rick Wakeman plays the keys (to Kaye's arrangement); http://alanwalkerart.com/wp/?p=538" rel="nofollow - some sources say it was the first piece Wakeman recorded with Yes, which would put it at the beginning of the Fragile sessions in September 1971 - seven months after The Yes Album.
 
Yes certainly played it live as far back as 1970, but there are no official recordings of any of them. They did play it for a BBC session broadcast in 1971, but no BBC recording of that exists either.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 08:48
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

2.    AMERICA/ SECOND AMENDMENT – THE NICE
 
No way .... you gotta follow this up with YES'  version of America ... 

It isn't a different version but a different piece.
 
I never thought of it as the same piece ... just the title ... you've heard of that over rated thing on radio ... let's do a series of teacher songs and all that ... heck ... we can do a pair of "America" pieces, and they are both quite progressive.
 
You want to know the irony of all this?
 
In the land of top ten (even we have that here!)  ... doing a "radio thing", even with "prog" or "progressive" ... is not acceptable?
 
No wonder progressive or prog will never get to real radio!  Wink  Cry  Embarrassed   ... and I probably can do about 6 to 7 "America" themed pieces in the first hour alone ... in fact it might be more than an hour long with just 4 or 5 pieces by the time I include Tangerine Dream ... yeah ... yeah ... stretching it a bit ...


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 13 2012 at 20:01
It would be nice if you could list the songs you played on the shows too.


Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 05:48
Hmmm, and then curious people won't listen to it?  ;-)

Fine, I'll give you the lists.  Yes, we repeated artists - this is a yearly thing and we figured we'd be lucky if anyone who listened the first year listened the second, and we just wanted to give the best representation of our favorite artists in the genre each year.  The 2011 show had:
Torn by a Phrase by A.C.T.
Behaving Badly by Animals As Leaders
Alley Cat by Seventh Wonder
Under A Glass Moon (live) by Dream Theater
Stress by Pain of Salvation
Mother of Light by Epica
Surpent I Am by Suspyre
Sin by Circus Maximus
The Sacrifice by Symphony X
Iconic by Sieges Even

The 2012 show had:
Insomnia by Haken
Ashes to Ear by Sun Caged
Isolated Incidents by Animals as Leaders
Slightly Mad by Magic Pie
Olat Ha'atamid by Orphaned Land
When All Is Lost by Symphony X
Breaking All Illusions by Dream Theater
Perfect by Redemption
In the Blink of an Eye (Japanese Bonus Track version off of The Great Escape) by Seventh Wonder


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 12:47
Hi,
 
After seeing the list ... I made a decision!
 
I have some listening to do!
 
Wink
 
Embarrassed
 
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 14:24
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 

After seeing the list ... I made a decision!

 

I have some listening to do!

 

Wink

 

Embarrassed

 

Clap

So you're going to listen to my shows? Let me know if you enjoy them! :-)


Posted By: arpanghose
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 14:53
Very nice..idea...Smile


Posted By: arpanghose
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 14:56
Its a very nice.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 18:56
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Hmmm, and then curious people won't listen to it?  ;-)Fine, I'll give you the lists.  Yes, we repeated artists - this is a yearly thing and we figured we'd be lucky if anyone who listened the first year listened the second, and we just wanted to give the best representation of our favorite artists in the genre each year.  The 2011 show had:Torn by a Phrase by A.C.T.Behaving Badly by Animals As LeadersAlley Cat by Seventh WonderUnder A Glass Moon (live) by Dream TheaterStress by Pain of SalvationMother of Light by EpicaSurpent I Am by SuspyreSin by Circus MaximusThe Sacrifice by Symphony XIconic by Sieges EvenThe 2012 show had:Insomnia by HakenAshes to Ear by Sun CagedIsolated Incidents by Animals as LeadersSlightly Mad by Magic PieOlat Ha'atamid by Orphaned LandWhen All Is Lost by Symphony XBreaking All Illusions by Dream TheaterPerfect by RedemptionIn the Blink of an Eye (Japanese Bonus Track version off of The Great Escape) by Seventh Wonder



I was expecting something more "classic"... though this lists seem more fit for modern times. I quiet like prog metal, though I'm afraid I still don't know so much besides Dream Theater (now one of my favourite bands) and a couple of albums more, but I'll sure be getting more of them over time. I guess I should find myself some time to listen to that list, there are some bands I'm rather curious about.


Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 19:18
I should add too - two of us that are on the radio show love classic prog and the other doesn't - which is why it's taken us so long to getting around to doing classic stuff as part of our show.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 19:23
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:


You COULD just download the radio shows from SoundCloud and listen to those lists...great way to sample the bands! Wink

Erm, just a minute - I don't think that's legal.  I'm pretty sure that while you may have paid the relevant authority for a royalty licence to stream those copyrighted tracks on Internet Radio, you cannot make the show available for download.



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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 19:27
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

You COULD just download the radio shows from SoundCloud and listen to those lists...great way to sample the bands! Wink


Erm, just a minute - I don't think that's legal.  I'm pretty sure that while you may have paid the relevant authority for a royalty licence to stream those copyrighted tracks on Internet Radio, you cannot make the show available for download.



Nope, I asked a guy who works for the radio station before I put it on SoundCloud and he said it's, and I quote: "public domain." Might have to do with them being NPR and non-profit.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 19:31
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

You COULD just download the radio shows from SoundCloud and listen to those lists...great way to sample the bands! Wink


Erm, just a minute - I don't think that's legal.  I'm pretty sure that while you may have paid the relevant authority for a royalty licence to stream those copyrighted tracks on Internet Radio, you cannot make the show available for download.



Nope, I asked a guy who works for the radio station before I put it on SoundCloud and he said it's, and I quote: "public domain." Might have to do with them being NPR and non-profit.
Sorry, but that's not a good enough explanation. Please remove the SoundCloud links from your posts - what you do is your business, we cannot permit links to downloads of copyright material to show on our site.

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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:50

Prog doesn't work well on radio for the fact that songs being 10, 20 minutes + screws everything up in terms of pacing and advertising and so on. Late at night or on holidays though when people don't care so much, some classic rock radio stations do take (relatively) mammoth length songs like Funeral For A Friend out of hiding. Radio Hauraki in NZ has done things like play Thick As A Brick and Shine On You Crazy Diamond in their entirety, but like I said earlier, they only do this kind of thing at odd times.



Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 18:21
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

You COULD just download the radio shows from SoundCloud and listen to those lists...great way to sample the bands! Wink


Erm, just a minute - I don't think that's legal.  I'm pretty sure that while you may have paid the relevant authority for a royalty licence to stream those copyrighted tracks on Internet Radio, you cannot make the show available for download.

Nope, I asked a guy who works for the radio station before I put it on SoundCloud and he said it's, and I quote: "public domain." Might have to do with them being NPR and non-profit.

Sorry, but that's not a good enough explanation. Please remove the SoundCloud links from your posts - what you do is your business, we cannot permit links to downloads of copyright material to show on our site.

Read this thread - I think the NPR people who told me it was ok to post our show on the internet may have been right that it is NOT illegal to do so:
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-7597_102-128943/is-copying-a-radio-stream-illegal/
In light of that, I'd like you to refrain from accusing me of illegal actions.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 18:51
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

You COULD just download the radio shows from SoundCloud and listen to those lists...great way to sample the bands! Wink


Erm, just a minute - I don't think that's legal.  I'm pretty sure that while you may have paid the relevant authority for a royalty licence to stream those copyrighted tracks on Internet Radio, you cannot make the show available for download.

Nope, I asked a guy who works for the radio station before I put it on SoundCloud and he said it's, and I quote: "public domain." Might have to do with them being NPR and non-profit.

Sorry, but that's not a good enough explanation. Please remove the SoundCloud links from your posts - what you do is your business, we cannot permit links to downloads of copyright material to show on our site.

Read this thread - I think the NPR people who told me it was ok to post our show on the internet may have been right that it is NOT illegal to do so:
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-7597_102-128943/is-copying-a-radio-stream-illegal/
In light of that, I'd like you to refrain from accusing me of illegal actions.
The link you provide contains ill-informed opinion and pure speculation on behalf of several of those who posted on it. Those that bothered to check the requiste legal documents state is it not covered by "fair use". Use of copyrighted tracks on a radio broadcast is not "fair use" - royalties are payable. Making those broadcasts available for download is infringment of copyright if permission is not given by the copyright holders - in this case Inside/Out, Roadrunner records and all the other artist representatives whose material you used would not permit such downloads of their artists material. There is no "grey area" here - a streaming broadcast whether by radio or internet is not the same as a permanent recording on hardcopy or digital download - for example you may have permission to broadcast an entire album of an artist, that does not give permission to make that album available for download (essentially a recording of that broadcast is an unauthorised copy of that album).
 
I never accused you of illegal actions, I said "we cannot permit links to downloads of copyright material to show on our site" whether you feel the downloads are legal or not, we cannot permit you to use our site in promoting them, and that included dirtect links to the files, or sites where the links are located.
 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 10:45
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Prog doesn't work well on radio for the fact that songs being 10, 20 minutes + screws everything up in terms of pacing and advertising and so on. Late at night or on holidays though when people don't care so much, some classic rock radio stations do take (relatively) mammoth length songs like Funeral For A Friend out of hiding. Radio Hauraki in NZ has done things like play Thick As A Brick and Shine On You Crazy Diamond in their entirety, but like I said earlier, they only do this kind of thing at odd times.

 
So sorry ... BULLsh*t!
 
That's what they said 35 years ago, and Space Pirate Radio did its thing on a COMMERCIAL radio station, the only bad part being that Guy never got the Gold Records that he deserved to get and some overdue recognition. I have more recordings of full LP's than you can imagine or ever consider or give credence to! Guy was famous for playing the whole album ... ohhh btw ... if you want a magnificent example, Guy played The Lamb Lies Down in its entirety at the start of his show, and when he was done, half an hour later he played it all again ... because the response was insane and magnificent. So if you don't have respect for the listener and think they have to have an ID and the time, and only the hits, maybe you are in the wrong place and business!
 
It's about the music ... and you have to decide where you stand by it or not!
 
Today, there is not a single location on any of those quasi-fake-bs-internet-prog-anything-radio that is doing true music other than just playing their own top ten and preferred pieces. There isn't a single show that can go 137 artists in a row, and not worry about the length of the piece ... it doesn't matter if the piece is 10 or 20 minutes ... what matters is what you stand for ... and obviously you don't stand for the music if you are worried about the minutes ... and I can tell you that Guy did not miss ID's or anything else ... so stop defending a bad process that refuses to play "music" and only give you pre-fab bullsh*t!
 
/soapbox thrown away!
 
Stuff like this really gets me ... you can't have music out there if you don't fight a system that hates music!  And please be aware that th emajority of the stuff that we "love" that brought you what became known as "progressive" started AGAINST radio and the control formats, specially with the beginning and rise of FM radio ... but I suppose that it doesn't matter to the young ones that love progmetal ...
 
You either take a stand ... or quit! Because you are not an artist or worthy of being on the stage, otherwise! Unless all you have is a ____ and just want the girls and do songs about fun ... that everyone thinks is cool while we pay for your whoring! (... pathetic thought! ...)


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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: March 25 2012 at 21:12
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Well, I guess what I'm asking is - what would your hour look like?
1. One song from Genesis Trespass:  6-7 minutes
2. One song from Yes Fragile:  6-7 minutes
3. One song from ELP self-titled - "Lucky Man"

Then, finish out the hour first with Genesis Supper's Ready (23 minutes) and Yes Awaken (16 minutes).

I know I missed Gentle Giant, Camel, PFM, etc., but I was only given one hour!


Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 26 2012 at 02:16
An hour of prog should have both classic and some new. Try and put some new stuff on that is easy to access - Haken, Anubis, Nine Stones Close, Hemina, Steve Wilson, Opeth, Anathema and Riverside are good choices. For classic the kings of prog are King Crimson, ELP,  Gentle Giant, Pink Floyd, Hawkwind, VDGG, Rush, Jethro Tull, Genesis, Yes and Canterbury prog such as Camel, Caravan, Gong or you can have some Neo such as Marillion, IQ, or Arena. To be honest that is where I would start. If you play a tracks from their best albums you cannot go wrong for a couple of shows. As for playing long songs, I would not hesitate in playing 23 minute epics such as A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers, Echoes, Nine Feet Underground, Suppers Ready, Karn Evil 9, Tarkus  or Echoes - as they are the 7 wonders of prog.

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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 26 2012 at 02:19
FYI here are some radio setlists for a show I listen to (Kaleidoscope ears) and I know the programmers very well. They specialise in prog as you will see (with some other stuff unfortunately)


http://www.kscopeears.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.kscopeears.com/




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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 26 2012 at 14:53
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

FYI here are some radio setlists for a show I listen to (Kaleidoscope ears) and I know the programmers very well. They specialise in prog as you will see (with some other stuff unfortunately)


http://www.kscopeears.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.kscopeears.com/


 
When I did my shows a few years back (The Space -- for 3 years on our own server), I spent more time doing full artist expose's than anything else ... I did do a couple of shows where there were a few more different bits and pieces, but all in all, no 2 shows were anywhere near each other or close in any thing that you can think of.
 
The server got taken down by a System Engineer that thought we were steaking bandwidth (only had 25 licenses anyway !!! couldn't steal a dog if I wanted to!) ... and in the end, he ended up ripping off the company big time ... missing equipment and what not ... and we're not talking nickel and dime equipment either!
 
I'm just waiting for the new turntable ... and I will start doing these again, and depending on the costs I might start the streams again from my own server ... problem being that it will require a business account and that's a higher price than what I already pay now. I am not sure, that I want to deal with Live 365 ever again ... it's like you're dealing with kids that think you are stealing their toys ... it's pathetic ... and of course, not helpful for the art at all!


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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 19:01
If one is doing a short history of prog, the show would have to open with Tomorrow Never Knows.  That is arguably the progenitor of all prog music.  The early part of the play list would also have to include something from Freak Out, something from Piper at the Gates of Dawn and something from Days of Future Past.  These are the earlest "prog" albums.  The next part of the playlist would have to open with 21st Century Schizoid Man.  I would then theow in something from Nursery Cryme, something from Time and a Word, and something from Gentle Giant (debut).  I would also include something from ELP (debut album).
 
You see where I am going with this...


Posted By: Blobfish
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 10:27
England did provide a fair share of the my prog discoveries, from Pink Floyd to Porcupine Tree...
as far as my ear bending toward the progressive, experimental and electronic sounds, I'd have to recognize SF and LA bands: Jefferson Airplane, Blue Cheer, Spirit and The Doors (who were getting commercial airplay prior to FM radio).
Morton Subotnick's 'Silver Apples of the Moon' to Capt. Beefheart and his Magic Band 'Trout Mask Replica' were ground breaking...
Prog was happening around the globe and was being shared by DJ T of LA , DJ Guy Guden of SB, both late night FM broadcasts that helped continue my nocturnal brain feedings.

Cheers.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 13:17
Originally posted by Blobfish Blobfish wrote:

England did provide a fair share of the my prog discoveries, from Pink Floyd to Porcupine Tree...
as far as my ear bending toward the progressive, experimental and electronic sounds, I'd have to recognize SF and LA bands: Jefferson Airplane, Blue Cheer, Spirit and The Doors (who were getting commercial airplay prior to FM radio).
Morton Subotnick's 'Silver Apples of the Moon' to Capt. Beefheart and his Magic Band 'Trout Mask Replica' were ground breaking...
Prog was happening around the globe and was being shared by DJ T of LA , DJ Guy Guden of SB, both late night FM broadcasts that helped continue my nocturnal brain feedings.

Cheers.
 
For me, and I was there when Guy was there -- paid rent for his first several years as he made an unbelievable attempt to get into radio again while also doing his theater work -- the FM radio was the important part ... but I can not say that I had not heard of KPFK, for example, though we could not hear KNAC in Santa Barbara. So you could say that it helped extend the scene in Southern California.
 
But yeah ... I really believe that the California scene deserves better history and credit for the creative explosion and literary-ness of a lot of work in those days.  Sadly, the only "writing" that anyone believes from those days ... is the worst possible kind ... Gonzo's stuff is really the bane of that time and place, and the part that killed it by the media more than anything else. Not many folks in America could relate to that insanity, but it might have a place in helping define a time and place.
 
One of Guy's strengths was that he knew the LA area music and scenes really well, having been through and over and around it ... he could even tell you about "The Fool" ... which kinda meant that by the time he started doing his show, he was much better versed in musical tastes and knowledge's than most folks that ever enter into radio. And the difference showed, too!
 
Sadly ... all in all, and I have many hours of those shows ... he wants the fame and fortune off these things, and I can not share them ... which is sad ... while listening to a couple of these yesterday ... I cam upon something that really spoke out about this and how the music made it ... Guy's show WAS RADIO ... the ones that you hear today IS NOT RADIO ... and that means to you, that what Guy did was insane, unreal, out of scope ... and unbelievable. But he doesn't get any credit for it, and I think his pride these days, does not allow him to accept some humility, let out a tear ... and say ... I did the best I could ... and something that I thought was important ... and to me, I have to tell you that it was ... but it's hard to hear some folks say what a buffoon he is ... and yeah ... he's silly enough to play that buffoon on the stage and he was good at it ... but the legacy of his work is much bigger, better and more valuable ... than even he knows or cares to admit. I think there still is too much animosity about his past ... and his amazing fight to do what he did ... which I know, personally, was not easy, and was not fun at all many times!
 
But, Guy ... the music lived! And you should one day thank a couple of the people that also helped you in other ways, to make sure you had the strength and the ability to get there ... no one knows if you would have gotten there without it ... but the story and truth is ... you did ... now, let's talk about Micheltorena toilets, shall we Guy?


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Posted By: Blobfish
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 14:10
Moshkito,

Your candle's flame is making me start to blob.

Glad to hear you were so supportive of SPR in SB... if I remember, KTYDy was mainly mainstream, middle of the piddle radio for constipated earholes. 

I do miss the toilet at times so I usually pee in the sea.

Best,
Blobfish




Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 06 2012 at 11:00
Originally posted by Blobfish Blobfish wrote:

Moshkito,

...
Glad to hear you were so supportive of SPR in SB... if I remember, KTYDy was mainly mainstream, middle of the piddle radio for constipated earholes. 
I do miss the toilet at times so I usually pee in the sea.
...
 
In the earlier days, I would say that KTYD was not as mainstream as it became after it became famous and number one.
 
Unffortunately, with that comes a massive ego and hassle, but again, the main point here was about a radio show, and in the end, what most people do today on the Internet is not even close to radio ... and many of these folks have no idea what it took to get to do what Guy did ... that even he is not thankful and appreciative of all the folks that helped him! Some yes. All, no!
 
In the end, this stuff is just favorite songs for the family ... or MOR all over again ... and that was what all of us were fighting inthose days, and Guy as well.
 
And Guy ... you don't miss the toilet a lot ... Barb Wirey will take care of it for you!


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Posted By: JediJoker7169
Date Posted: April 07 2012 at 06:52
This is so difficult.  I've done my best to give an accessible overview of the genre without doubling up on artists/primary personnel.

1st Hour:

1. "The Court of the Crimson King," from In The Court of the Crimson King by King Crimson (1969)

Often cited as the beginning of the genre, and lays bare the influences of "early" Prog.

2. "Watcher of the Skies," from Foxtrot by Genesis (1972)

An evolutionary example of a mid-length Prog song (interesting time signatures, etc.) and a live favorite.

3. "Knots," from Octopus by Gentle Giant (1972)

An example of the more bizarre side of Prog with "no commercial potential."

4. "Close To The Edge," from Close To The Edge by Yes (1972)

A prime example of the side-spanning epic and the critically maligned "excessive" side of Prog.

5. "Freewill," from Permanent Waves by Rush (1980)

Showcases some "heavier" elements, and the synthesis of oddness with commerciality.

6. "Script For A Jester's Tear," from Script For A Jester's Tear by Marillion (1983)

Neo-Prog, the last great development in Prog till the late '80s/early '90s.

2nd Hour:

1. "Pull Me Under," from Images and Words by Dream Theater (1992)

Though it started in the late '80s, Prog Metal proliferated throughout the '90s.

2. "World of Adventure," from Back In The World of Adventures by The Flower Kings (1995)

Much of '90s Prog was all about '70s revivalism, as heard here.

3. "Trains," from In Absentia by Porcupine Tree (2002)

Synthesizing elements of Metal, '70s revivalism, and '90s Alternative.

4. "Tetragrammaton," from Amputechture by The Mars Volta (2006)

A longer example of the New Prog subgenre, with plenty of nods to King Crimson.

5. "Unnatural Selection," from The Resistance by Muse (2009)

A mid-length example of the New Prog subgenre.

6. "Dreaming Light," from We're Here Because We're Here by Anathema (2010)

From the so-called Post-Prog movement.


Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 07 2012 at 09:50
^ For a setlist of songs to play, I actually agree with that. It goes over a fair amount of the big bands of each of the eras.

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Posted By: Blobfish
Date Posted: April 09 2012 at 00:50
JediJoker,

Great playlist!
New ears would appreciate hearing the past, present and 'the future is not tomorrow, the future is today!'...
...as ADll would say.

Cheers from the bottom of the sea,
Blobfish





Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 13 2012 at 10:13
Hi,
 
Agreed ... nice list.
 
And in a way it is in a nice order ... although I'm of the Godard school that likes to go around saying that everything has a beginning, middle and an end, not necessarily in that order!
 
I'm spoiled, and Blobfish is the reason for it! Those mind melts, and crazy things in the middle, scrambled my noodles so good that I prefer the mixes to be more "surprising" than anything else. Unpredictable, you could say, but the music choices could rarely be said to be ... boring.
 
The only piece I would have changed? I would have grabbed one side of Tales from Topographic Oceans, rather than play Close to the Edge.
 
All good!


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Posted By: JediJoker7169
Date Posted: April 16 2012 at 02:16
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

I would have grabbed one side of Tales from Topographic Oceans, rather than play Close to the Edge.

Well, "The Revealing Science of God (Dance of the Dawn)" is my favorite Yes epic; "Ritual (Nous Sommes du Soleil)" would have been another good choice.  I considered them, but ultimately decided against them due to length and the divisive position Tales From Topographic Oceans holds among fans.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 16 2012 at 10:08
Originally posted by JediJoker7169 JediJoker7169 wrote:

 ...
Well, "The Revealing Science of God (Dance of the Dawn)" is my favorite Yes epic; "Ritual (Nous Sommes du Soleil)" would have been another good choice.  I considered them, but ultimately decided against them due to length and the divisive position Tales From Topographic Oceans holds among fans.
 
Your choice is fine ... no worries there, and I would not want to criticize the choices at all.
 
The divisive part, is the one you have to make a call on ... do you put together a show that you feel good about, or do you do it for someone else -- an invisible someone else at that!. It maybe be divisive, but then ... what art isn't? 99.9% of all DJ's out there are not creative people and are out for the "fame" side, and an opportunity for many people to make themselves feel bigger and more important than they really are. Playing the "dots" is more important (no choice there) than otherwise, but the inane chatter is always cool .... !!!
 
Just remember, that no one liked Guernica when it came out either. No one liked L'age D'Or either ... you can not be an artist and creator, if you are not capable of creating new experiences. And this means that you put things together according to your experience ... not based on someone's idea or thoughts. New music IS an experience, and Guy was playing so much new music that it would make this very board blush ... ! And he was able to fight for this for 25 years at least!
 
This is the main issue, that it's hard for you to see in retrospect on this thread. It's ok to play older stuff, but trying to make a history of this? ... I would rather help create the history of today with the folks that deserve the credit ... instead of a montage that (supposedly) shows what progressive means. And I can still have fun playing the older stuff in between.
 
I'll just play the music for the sake of the beauty of the music ... and many people come around to that sooner or later. But you have to have the internal constitution to do that, because it is hard ... really hard.
 


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Posted By: Blobfish
Date Posted: April 19 2012 at 02:01
 I always love to hear something new to my ears... fresh progressive eggies cracklin' .
Toast... n' marmalade, I like marmalade.
'5 O'clock in the Morning' Creme and Godley, 'Good Morning' from Daevid Allen to 'Singing a Song in the Morning' Kevin Ayers to start a morning show.



Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 19 2012 at 14:12
Originally posted by Blobfish Blobfish wrote:

 I always love to hear something new to my ears... fresh progressive eggies cracklin' .
Toast... n' marmalade, I like marmalade.
'5 O'clock in the Morning' Creme and Godley, 'Good Morning' from Daevid Allen to 'Singing a Song in the Morning' Kevin Ayers to start a morning show.

 
And of course, for humor ... you can't forget one of the old favorites from yours trully Guy and the Sex Pimples ... "Our Song" from that Geesin/Waters album. This way all editorials are taken care of and the fun is now getting started! I'm actually thinking that Barb Wirey in the middle would be gold ... so progressive that them folks never heard of it!
 
But you just showed a sequence of material for a "prog" show, that doesn't have a big sign that says ... LOOK I'M PROG! ... and I much prefer that style!


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Posted By: Blobfish
Date Posted: April 19 2012 at 15:35
Ahhh yes, 'Our Song' from Music of the Body... a happy dittie that still makes me laugh out loud... laugh 'til I cry... 
oh, a song that makes me cry... must be that baby's coo.


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Posted By: theadolescentprogger
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 17:18
I'd play classic 70s prog. Possibly with some of the earlier 60s stuff. Although there would be the occasional appearence from Dream Theater and the like. Bands that would be primarily played would probably be King Crimson, ELP, Genesis, Yes, Frank Zappa, Focus, Gentle Giant, Pink Floyd but of course others would be played.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 26 2012 at 12:52
Originally posted by theadolescentprogger theadolescentprogger wrote:

I'd play classic 70s prog. Possibly with some of the earlier 60s stuff. Although there would be the occasional appearence from Dream Theater and the like. Bands that would be primarily played would probably be King Crimson, ELP, Genesis, Yes, Frank Zappa, Focus, Gentle Giant, Pink Floyd but of course others would be played.
 
I would probably have some of these ... but my point was ... why are you telling people that "Look ... this is progressive music" ... because you know the majority of the audiences don't care? ... and are so varied and different that getting any attention for it is very tough!
 
I know it doesn't sound cool, but the locations I used to turn off the most? ProgRock, and some of those websites, because they played the largest amounts of the same thing, and you only need to listen to it for 15 minutes and you're done with the site for the next 7 days! That's how repetitive it is!
 
In the end, the best thing to do is surprise people. When they have no idea what that was ... and want to know and ask you ... that's when you got them for a while! You can't surprise people with Dream Theater or some more metal or King Crimson ... maybe if you played them backwards ... ohhh wait ... Guy Guden has already done that from the Albinoni all the way to Dream Theater ... nothing new, baby!
 
 


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Posted By: hellokitty
Date Posted: April 26 2012 at 22:42
HELLO EVERYONE I AM NEW HERE HOPE TO MAKE FRIENDS WITH YOU

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Posted By: Blobfish
Date Posted: April 27 2012 at 00:50
Hello Hello Kitty,

The hills are alive with the sound of music... the sound of mosquitos I can live without, but the love tones and sounds around and abound are enough to make me blob.
This evening I'm enjoying Kawabata Pauvros with a side of Guesch Patti...

Swimmingly. 


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 27 2012 at 10:00
Originally posted by Blobfish Blobfish wrote:

Hello Hello Kitty,

The hills are alive with the sound of music... the sound of mosquitos I can live without, but the love tones and sounds around and abound are enough to make me blob.
This evening I'm enjoying Kawabata Pauvros with a side of Guesch Patti...

Swimmingly. 
 
Goodness ... Hollywood will never die!


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Posted By: Blobfish
Date Posted: April 28 2012 at 21:24
Grace Smelly Kitty sent a lovely bouquet with one of those song cards-
'Hooray for Hollywood'
 The popularity of the song is notably due to the lyrics by  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Mercer" rel="nofollow - Johnny Mercer , which reference the American movie industry and satirize the illusory desire of many people to become famous as actors.

Trout a l'heure


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