Lady Gaga is one of the best piano players ever?
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Topic: Lady Gaga is one of the best piano players ever?
Posted By: progbaby
Subject: Lady Gaga is one of the best piano players ever?
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 22:57
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It's what I heard... So I go to youtube and listen to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_GMgkcc2KM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_GMgkcc2KM it's ok but I'd like to see her play Tarkus or Tocatta by Emerson or anything by Rick Wakeman, etc... Why does MTV always include Lady Gaga, Madonna, Whitney Houston (no disrespect for her as I'm sorry she passed away), and all your usual cast of American top 40 as "the best and most talented musicians ever" when there's so much in prog that never gets mentioned? I mean Lady Gaga is better than Keith Emerson on piano? Really???
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 23:04
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A lot of people I know say a lot of stupid sh*t. And in the same way GaGa couldn't play ELP, I'd like to see Emerson play a Sorabji piece ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: Isa
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 23:15
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$$$ That's all it is in the end for today's "incredible" music. Create the lowest common denominator for the largest audience, with no sense of creating meaningful art that will stand the test of time. But what do we care? The best prog will continue live on with its audience, King Crimson, Yes, Pink Floyd, Genesis etc. will always have an audience with us. Proggers really shouldn't complain about not getting enough attention, because unlike those corporate created pop-stars, our music will live on. ------------- The human heart instrinsically longs for that which is true, good, and beautiful. This is why timeless music is never without these qualities. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 00:33
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I'm still trying to figure out what failing brain cell in my head made me even look at this. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: progbaby
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 06:58
Perhaps Morbid Curiosity? |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 07:00
Can't find them in the database... Are they prog-metal?? ------------- 
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progbaby wrote:Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 07:22
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I'll have to watch that when I get home. Can't watch YT at work.
Anyway, the 'pop world' is only partly about the music. It's more to do with all the peripheral guff that goes with it; the look, the celeb lifestyle etc etc, and these are things that lovers of prog rock appear to have little interest in. The masses however love it, and someone like Lady Ga Ga is the perfect music industry character. Her image changes all the time. This keeps people interested in her; dying to see her new outfit. The amount of focus on the image, takes the spot light off how meaningless her music is. I've heard worse, but what she does is in no way ground breaking, or memorable, even in the most insipid pop terms. It doesn't really matter how good a musician she is if she chooses to make pap and fluff for mass consumption. Artists who combine genuine musical ability with a talent for writing accessable, but thoughtful music, are few and far between in the mainstream. In my very humble opinion. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 07:59
Well, I doubt Emerson could match Barbara Dennerlein or Rhoda Scott on the organ. It goes on and on, people tend to assume the best THEY have heard is THE best ever. It's not really peculiar to pop music. I remember somebody here had difficulty believing Stevie Wonder was a better singer than Neal Morse when I said so, so I guess we all have our cocoons and comfort zones to some extent. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 08:00
This. Oh and everybody knows that Billy Joel is the greatest piano player ever. Or maybe Nicky Hopkins who played with Steve Miller Band, Stones, Pretty Things and everybody else for that matter. No such thing as the greatest. Lady Gugu? My appreciation of her increased mildly after seeing and hearing her duetting with Tony Bennett. I love that guy. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 08:02
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Lady GaGa is one of the best song writers ever, but let's not go crazy about her piano playing.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 08:10
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Using Emerson as the highest standard for quality piano playing seems very ridiculous to me too. Playing fast =/= playing superbly.
And yes the Gaga lady is talented. Probably not a new Horowitz on the piano but quite good at writing pop songs. ------------- 
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 08:13
Exactly. On an unrelated note, has Emerson ever performed Brubeck? Would love to hear. I love Brubeck's playing so much more, wonderful touch...not something Emerson seems to have much use for....in ELP. Would be interesting if there is in fact a different side to his playing that is not tapped in prog rock. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 08:13
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Lady Gaga one of the best piano players ever? If Hiromi Uehara is one of her alters I'd give her a chance...
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 08:43
Light comes in unexpected places. I thank you for Sorabji picking up my curiosity. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 09:00
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I don't really have anything against Lady Gaga, but I think it's nuts how so many people heap extra praise on her just because she's an actual musician who can play an instrument. Like that deserves a medal or something.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 09:54
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I don't really know crap about LG (L GG? El G??) and for me ignorance is bliss.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:05
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I was going to troll this thread, but I had a change of heart. Stefani Germanotta (aka Lady Gaga), is actually a pretty good pianist, in the Alica Keys type of way. She can play RnB, pop, etc. I don't fancy her music or anything, but she ain't bad. She's no virtuoso, and I can't imagine she practices enough where she could handle ELP or Wakeman stuff, but she's not bad. One of the best piano players ever? Now, c'mon. She's an entertainer. If she was better, she'd be behind the piano more often than 1-2 songs a night and not dancing around like a fool. "Ima...... DANCIN' FOOL" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:07
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I guess none of you guys have ever heard of Art Tatum or Oscar Peterson. If you want to see them both go at Honky Tonk Train Blues just punch in Keith Emerson & Oscar Peterson Honky Tonk Train Blues on nyoutube. It's from a 1976 Oscar Peterson CBC special. Peterson never played with sh*t musicians so this speaks volumes about Emerson's playing. If you want to hear the chit chat between Emerson & Peterson punch in Keith Emerson, Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Jan 1976. I bashed my head against the wall 10 times after reading the first post, Lady Ga Ga? please give me a break will ya. Please. I'll have to say Lady Ga Ga gives someone else to hate besides Célin Dion.  I love Howie though. He da man. ------------- |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:23
So she shouldn't get extra praise than a pop musician who doesn't play an instrument because she can do something extra? Seems to make perfect sense to me. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:24
He's a disgusting human being, a moronic loudmouth, and devoid of anything resembling humor. Yeah he's great. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:26
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there are many frontmen that can play but don't. From what I saw on the Howard stern video she has a bout a grade 3 or 4 ability. Someone showed me a video of this geeky poro star playing the piano and it was like watching a 6 year-old play and the hosts of the show paraied the creep.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:36
She's the best thing to happen since Celine Deon isn't she?
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:37
Even if I don't know who Sorabji is, I know what you mean and that's exactly my view. Sometimes proggers think that prog musicians are the best on everything, why question MTV that they put pop music? Dude, it's pop for some reason. There was a time were Collins-era Genesis was on MTV, Dire Straits, not anymore. These are trends. Why don't ask for classical or jazz music on MTV? Blues? Death metal? Post rock? etc, etc.. And by the way, the last time I saw MTV actually putting on some music was like 4 years ago, here in Argentina it's like complete oddity were they put on lame American shows.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:40
Exactly.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:56
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I'm pretty sure I read that Lady Gaga tried to make it as a piano-based singer-songwriter, but career didn't exactly take off. Then she decided to go for broke with image and here she is.
Anyone who has done regular gigs at their instrument is going to have some skills. Meaning she could probably kick all of our amateur arses easily. Comparing her to other professional key players is another matter, and I doubt she would even make that claim.
She created an entertainment product that has worked very well in this place and this time. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:59
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Lady Gaga is one of the more talented "talentless hacks" that exist within the music industry.
And a lot of pop musicians are still amazing musicians despite the bullsh*t that they play.
And we're talking best piano player ever?
Rachmoninov and Franz Lizst changed my life forever when I heard them play. They are the reason that I can write 24 chord chord structures that modulate between keys. Rachmoninov specifically had hands so large that 99% of even the BEST piano players in the world can't play everything he wrote based off sheer hand size.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 12:56
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^Did you actually heard Liszt playing? Man you are really really old.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 12:57
How old are you? Franz List died sometime in the1880s and Sergei Rachmaninoff died in the 40s. Well maybe you could have heard Sergie if you're over 60 years old. I think you're talking about their compositions. They both wrote on the piano. I think it is their compositions you are fond of. ------------- |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 12:58
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He's a disembodied soul of music's past come to enlighten us. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:04
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Brahms is actually my moog man, when I'm touring - all he wants in return is to be paid in Absinthe and skanky hoes.
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:07
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Hahahaha- you guys burned me pretty good here. I laughed my ass off when I realized what I had said. Sorry, I'm not a soul from the past, I heard their compositions. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:10
I'd play for those wages.... ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:11
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Ah. Lady Gaga. Been a long time since anyone discussed her on the forum, heh? It was really needed. Oh, by the way, what happened in the last MLP episode? |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:30
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We should probably go back to arguing between Yes and Genesis rather than having a conversation about GaGa huh?
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:41
Damn! I was just going to flip on The Police's Ghost in the Machine there... Oh well I'll do so anyways. Back on topic: Gaga in a progressive setting? Does she/he have a weener? Did she play the oboe on Relayer? Is Fernando the long lost vocal piece in the middle of Moonchild? ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: progbaby
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:51
| I'm waiting for the new Justin Bieber prog album. Supposed to have Rick Wakeman on keys, Andy Latimer on guitars, Bill Bruford on drums and Chris Squire on bass. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 14:04
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I am competent enough to let you know that Lady Gaga is a better piano player than Rachmaninoff, but not Liszt.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 14:07
Your Kizz is on his Liszt? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 14:41
| Lady Gaga plays basic piano at best. And she's ugly to boot. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 15:34
She is ugly. If she was the the last moving thing in the universe I wouldn't  .
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 15:38
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She speaks very highly of you! ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 22:47
I trust all of this is not to suggest Emerson could play piano at the same level as Peterson. Because, by that logic, Herbie Hancock played to Christina Aguilera's rendition of Song for you and it was an over-riffy, melismatic horror of a showboat rendition. I liked Emerson's playing on that clip you mention but I would hesitate to suggest he could have become a great jazz pianist had he wanted to because he didn't quite give THAT convincing an account for himself in that performance. Perhaps, playing alongside Peterson overwhelmed him for he looked unusually tense and uncomfortable while Peterson was in his element, improvising beautifully and, once again, with a lot of feeling. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 23:03
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She was great, man. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 23:22
| Apparently 18 when she performed that gig...nice! It may not be the most virtuoso playing around but on the other hand, she played it about as well as those songs could have been, nothing much to fault her for. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 23:24
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Good Lord, I'm back, due to further failing brain cells. This is okay as it happens and is in fact expected as we age. Really, I like pop music. I like Lady's music, at least what I've heard, which admittedly is not a lot. She's a good popster. But let's not compare her with the likes of Nicky Hopkins, keyboard-wise, nor for that matter with ABBA, pop-wise. She's got a good gig going, for the time being. And please let's leave Oscar Peterson and Art Tatum out of the discussion. What drug did I take today that they would be even mentioned in a Gaga thread? I don't remember any, but a hit of acid will do that to ya I suppose. Those two (Oscar and Art) understand music and keyboards beyond the pale, things a guy can't even reasonably imagine coming out of their fingers. As for Gaga, let's see how it plays out. For now, she's a second-rate Bette Midler. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 23:33
I agree that there would be no point in comparing her with ABBA. But this is about how progheads sometimes suggest that the best musicians are all in prog and it's MTV that's not giving them their due. There are musicians more gifted than the Emersons and Wakemans and some of them choose to work in pop, some in jazz and so on and so forth. And as that above clip Truth posted shows, she can play the instrument pretty well. Sure, she may not be the best ever or anything but it's not like they crowned some nutcase who can't play as the greatest. Depending on whoever that "They" is because this is the first I am hearing of Lady Gaga being the best pianist and such and I wonder what magazines or programmes suggested as much. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 23:42
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^I'm sure many of the obscure names that play the instruments for many of the famous pop artists can run circles around many of our prog musicians in terms of skills at their instruments. If someone said GaGa is the best piano player in the world that is not an offense to prog musicians but probably to many other musicians who even play in pop records who just aren't so well known. But I would say the same if someone said Keith Emerson was the best piano player in the world. Damn, even though it would be somewhat closer to the truth, even if sone said that Horowitz or Arrau or VanCliburn or Argerich were the best piano players in the world we could say "according to whom and based on what criteria?". -------------
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 23:44
Exactly. Let alone sessions musicians, I wonder on what grounds have they decided she is better than Fiona Apple at the piano. She may well be, but I would like to hear some arguments in favour in that case. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 23:46
| Larry Carlton has probably played better solos over the years for Steely Dan and Donald Fagen than many illustrious guitar 'Gods'. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 00:06
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I've listened to the songs. She is at best a good accompanist, keyboard-wise. For comparison, just check out Elton John's early stuff, when he was if nothing else a consummate pianist working in the pop realm. Really, listen to Elton's 11-17-70 album if you want to hear a real piano player, who understands musical history and can transform it into something current. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 00:38
I agree, Elton John was a great keyboard player, amazing. Wrote some great music too. The point really was more about holding Emerson up as some high watermark of piano playing....that is misleading. |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 04:28
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 04:49
| Yeah...heard it shortly after I posted that comment. But I think the Peterson performance told me more about Emerson's capabilities in a 'traditional' jazz set up because in that Isle of Wright performance, he has adapted Brubeck to ELP's style. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 10:29
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First off I said that Oscar never played with musicians that weren't up to his standard. Emerson got on the show at the suggestion of one of Oscar's sons. He was skeptical at first until he heard some of Emerson's solo piano playing. Although Oscar has had his fair share of criticism from the jazz community particularily after the disbsbandment of the second trio with Ed Thigpen on drums. But there are few jazz pianists that can can touch him and Emerson certainly was understandably a bit nervous playing back to back with Oscar. Just as Oscar was uneasy playing in the presence of Art Tatum. Ray Brown and Herb Ellis would play practical jokes on him by telling him that Tatum was in the audience when he wasn't anywhere near where the gig was taking place just to f**k him up. Still, I find Lady Gaga's "music" unlistenable. She's just manafactured product fo people who know nothing about music. When Howard Stern says that was the most beautiful performance I've ever had on his show his liegons of fans will definitely be swayed . I don't thing the masses are capable of making their own musical choices and look to to the media in order to know what to buy or listen to. The masses like to be with the "in crowd". ------------- |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 10:44
| The point, once again, is simply that Emerson is not some gold standard of piano playing. It would have indeed been more appropriate to ask that if Lady Gaga is supposed to be the best, what do we call Art Tatum? Emerson is just another among many other excellent keyboardists. |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 10:53
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 11:01
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 11:04
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That video was nice enough. I like it when Fiona Apple or Nora Jones does that thing better though. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 11:05
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He is the greatest piano player yes I agree. -------------   
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 11:14
I personally think that's a little harsh - I may not like LGG's music, but I can see the appeal; I think there is a fair degree of talent behind the hype and the image (all of which is pretty much borrowed from old Madonna videos then stuck through a 'R' rated filter). Sure it's manufactured, but she knows exactly what she's doing. No problem with her at all. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 11:20
Not only that, but, what the hell is the "music knowledge" that people would have to be able to ignore Lady GaGa? Knowing a few prog bands? Oh yes that's knowing music. I understand that pop music is in a way selected for the masses by the labels and media who decide what to push and how to push it while ignoring other acts. But please don't think that without this veil all people in the world would suddenly group together like a flock to hear, listen, venerate and adore progressive rock. -------------
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 11:22
------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 11:24
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Kim 3 is the best Kim ever -------------
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 11:25
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 12:20
alright alright I'm done! ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 12:21
and yes. Agreed. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 12:40
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Kim chi is the best Kim ever........ -------------
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Posted By: Gallifrey
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 12:44
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I was going to comment about Lady Gaga but then I realised the topic had completely changed to which North Korean dictator is best. But I'll go anyway. My mother thinks lady gaga is incredible, because she can play piano. And I'm like "so what"? Her latest album was designed to make profit, 4 or 5 catchy singles with good melodies, the rest of the album, honest sh*t. It really shows how the idea of an album isn't cared about any more, because artists make all their money from singles. Another thing is. Is that she claims Iron Maiden and Judas Priest are her favourite bands, and her biggest influences are Elton John and David Bowie…. So why does she write such sh*t? If she was really being true to her music, she would write an album in the style she performs it, acoustic, on a piano. But that doesn't make much money. So she doesn't do it. It's just pathetic. ------------- http://thedarkthird.bandcamp.com/ |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:03
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Cant imagine way we are interested in this at all, does it matter what stunts media pull to sell pop music.
Cant be a surprice after 50 years of pop radio/TV, that they promote whatever the industry tells them.
If a freaking 2 years, sold billions of albums playing 2 cords, media would shout wonderchild. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:03
I couldn't give a damn what anybody else listens to. I listen to all kinds of crap. I f they want to listen to this donkey face then that's their prerogative. But all she has going for her is her outrageousness. It baffles me why Howard Stern likes her but has slammed Madona so much in the past on his radio and TV shows. Lady Ga Ga's " music " panders to musically illiterate audiences wheras jazz, classical and some progressive rock is embraced by educated and somewhat better educated audiences. I did a biography for the band Janus with co-operation with Colin Orr here on PA better known for 1972s Gravedigger back in 2010. On a 2002 CD they had a 15 year old female vocalist Nathalie Brown that just blew me away. The track Slave Girl & Owner is available for streaming in the Janus entry.check it out . There are literally hundreds of these prodigies in every corner of the planet. Nevena from Bulgaria is another example she did a verson of Omega's Girl With the Pearls In Her Hair that even freaked the band out. All donkey face has going is her stupid stage act and her goofy costumes. ------------- |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:04
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My missus thinks she is wonderful. Thus, when she has a concert on TV, revenge is taken on me for perpetual prog, and it is shown. I retreat to the safety and comfort of my study and prog archives ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:07
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^ Unlike Iron Maiden and Judas Priest..........I doubt 20yrs from now she will be performing live -------------
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:11
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I'd like to see donkey face at 7 o'clock in the morning, no makeup, no coffee
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:13
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:13
^ Does it really matter that she's ugly? Shouldn't focus on how unimaginative her music is? Actually we should JUST POST MORE PINEAPLLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:14
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I'm really stretching this joke aren't I? ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:15
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yup
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:25
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point taken ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: progbaby
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:32
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But then again if you watch MTV's "Best musicians and artists of all time", seems like 99% of them in their list is your Lady gaga's, Madonnas, Coolio, Ice T, Snoop Dog, Eminem, Justin Bieber, etc... and with incredibly thought-provoking lyrlcs like "Yeah baby baby baby baby baby, come and gimmee", how can you disagree with their overflowing talent? Mostly always just American pop stars. Sure you have your few token UK name acts like Rolling Stones, Beatles, Zeppelin, U2, The Who but they don't really wander outside of that territory. You'll never hear any italian or french or south american or japanese or swedish, etc.. acts in their lists... Me thinks it's because MTV is being paid by the American networks/music business who release all of the bands in the "top 100 lists", etc... No money to be made trying to endorse Le Orme (who has good pop stuff which sounds better to my ears than Lady Gaga pop). Basically, "you scratch my back and I'll put you on our 'top 100 best artists of all time' program designed to brainwash the viewers into thinking the only bands worth listening to and buying are the one's we advertise in our 'top 100' lists :-) Don't gimmee that 'top 100 artists' of all time stuff :-)
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:39
So you pick your music based on how attractive the singer / band is? Bit odd for someone who likes prog. Generally, prog fans tend to look past image! Although, some of us appreciate a bit of theatricality and she certainly doesn't lack on that.
She is talented. She has different ideas on how to present herself, and I like that. If she continues on the same theme like Madonna, she could easly be around for 20 years. However, I am a bit disappointed in recent stuff being bog standard hi-energi ultra conservative disco. I did think she had a bit more about her but I may be wrong.
In the end I'm not bothered one way or the other. Her stuff is for young girls and boys who want a laugh. Like many pop star before her and there is a place for that. One day she may do her Ray of Light. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:43
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 14:45
Give me kimchi or give me spicy cabbage breath, oh wait. A moment of silence for 88 Tofu House.  I'm one of those kind of guys who won't leap in to knock an artist I don't know no matter how popular or successful they are. The hype does drive away any desire to dig deeper and actually try her crap. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 14:48
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Someone said her albums are designed to make a profit, as if this was a bad thing, or as if all other musicians didn't do the same anyway. -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 15:01
Indeed, artists like her are making a big show to help sell their music. Nothing wrong with that and no gun is put to your head forcing you to buy it. Ignorance can be a wonderful thing and even once exposed you can still ignore it. I do have sympathy for Laz. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 15:14
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Who knows, maybe she has a whole basement full of demos of monster complex piano prog but the record company doesn't let her touch those with a ten foot pole.
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Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 15:46
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 20:02
Forgive me for this, but it sounds like a rather accurate description of Peter Gabriel in the Genesis days. Ian Anderson could sing really well while Gabriel struggled to hit most of his high notes. Oh, but he was doing all this sublime play acting and dressing up like a flower. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 02 2012 at 07:23
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At least Gabriel's costumes had something to do with the music the band was playing. Donkey Face just dresses up for the sake of it plus it's nothing new. Elton Jon started with flamboyant costumes back in the early seventies.There was another hard rock band Black Widow that were using theatrics and costumes in their stage show back in the late sixties & early 70s. Then there' Alice Cooper. But I'm not really complaining about Donkey Face she just gives me something else to hate. But nothing will top Céline on my hate list. Yesterday. I read in the paper that the University of Québec wants to introduce courses devoted to Céline. I had to go to the toilet and spew my breakfast. ------------- |
Posted By: TheJet
Date Posted: March 02 2012 at 07:32
| Definitely not my cup of tea. But I respect her as a pianist. I hear from a lot of rock fans she is a good song writer and stuff like that. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 02 2012 at 07:36
What would anyone do with a qualification in Celine Dion? What's happening to this world!?
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 02 2012 at 07:44
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I like Marit Larsen much more then the Gaga, though Gaga isa good artist, Larsen is one of the best current pop songwriters now, once part of m2m as the blond singer and this song is a really nice song,, -------------  
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 02 2012 at 07:49
So I wonder why he was not even the frontman initially and poor Anthony Philips was saddled with that role. They did it to get themselves some attention because Banks and Hackett quietly playing their instruments, and without the flamboyance of an ELP or Yes, might not get the audience enraptured. It was a well executed, tasteful gimmick but a gimmick nevertheless. We are as much guided by our subjective preferences and perceptions, with their inherent biases and preconceived notions, as the pop crowd. I don't see why the prog crowd loves to pretend they make terribly educated choices all the time because if that were indeed true, Gabriel wouldn't be so consistently voted amongst the best prog rock singers of all time. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 02 2012 at 10:54
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One of the best or THE best?
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 02 2012 at 11:23
I love Genesis (all formations), it's probably my favorite rock band alongside DT, but I agree: Gabriel's voice is not the paradigm of versatility or quality. He knows (or knew) how to use his limited voice to the advantage of his band's music, but on a purely technical basis (which this thread seems to deal about, I don't really know anything anymore) he was quite limited. As a purely technical singer, not as a musician, GaGa is probably better.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 02 2012 at 11:36
| ^^ Exactly. Actually, I really enjoy listening to Gabriel but...really, an 'educated' audience would be perfectly ok with him missing his highs or getting there only with an almighty struggle? What he is doing is flawed, but it's beautiful and that's what rock is all about and what makes it, 'unfortunately', subjective. And yes, in an audition to perform pop standards, I can imagine Lady Gaga scoring over him quite comfortably. |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 05:47
| She's a great singer, but just because she plays piano while singing doesn't mean she's amazing at it... |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 09:32
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Diana Krall plays piano & sings and she's amazing at both even though she's a bit on the commercial side and married that geek.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 12:26
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The video does not tell much about her ability to play piano, though it shows she knows how to use its dynamics. And she sang the song with a lot of feeling and very convincingly. It is certainly not a complex prog song, but I liked it. She definitely has abilities which I would not have expected from her.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 13:39
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I have no interest in Lady Gaga so consequently I have no interest in Lady Gaga no interest in Lady Gaga no interest in Lady Gaga no interest in Lady Gaga no interest in Lady Gaga. But if people wanna go ga for ga ga, ga ga go ahead. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 03:03
Another candidate for post of the year -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |