ELP Vs King Crimson
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Topic: ELP Vs King Crimson
Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Subject: ELP Vs King Crimson
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 10:30
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Well... In my view, I haven't yet more two bands that plays a music so abstract that ELP and King Crimson.
Certainly KC are the abstract in music. But also ELP...
And for you... which is your preferred band between these two bands?
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 10:34
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King Crimson for sure, they're more interesting and consistent. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: spknoevl
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 10:44
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As much as I love a lot of ELP's music, it's KC by a mile. ------------- http://martinwebb.bandcamp.com The notes are just an interesting way to get from one silence to the next - Mick Gooderick |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 10:47
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KC has one masterpiece for me while ELP has at least two so ELP ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 11:11
| King Crimson all the way. ELP are my least favourite band from the classic era |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 11:16
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Every ELP album from 1970 to 1973 is better than any KC album for me. ELP...but Crimson will win this by a huge margin. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 11:30
| King Crimson |
Posted By: Old_Wise_Owl
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 11:45
| King Crimson, definitely. If it would have been against Yes or Gabriel-era Genesis it would have been much more difficult. ELP is my least favourite of the major symphonic bands, relied too much on covers, and really didn't produce much of any interest after BSS. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 11:47
I like each for different reasons so I voted both.  Objectively though, KC has a lot more to offer, being more adventurous, consistent in quality, and prolific.------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 11:54
Covers? They did Nutrocker but I can't think of any other.
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Old_Wise_Owl wrote:Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 12:03
Toccata The Barbarian Most of Knife-Edge Pictures At An Exhibition (most of the album) Hoedown Fanfare For A Common Man Canario And there's probably way more. he also took a lot of his keyboard solos from classical pieces
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 12:06
Your list has no covers. It has classical adaptions. Different thing entirely. And he certainly didn't "took a lot of his keyboard solos from classical pieces" . I admit he sometimes quoted some parts of classical pieces in the actual solo.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 12:14
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Crimson. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 12:32
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 12:43
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Neither band is essential listening for me.......So I will go with the least vote getter. -------------   
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 12:56
whatevskis ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 13:28
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Both of these bands are in my top 5. And I'll certainly agree that KC has had a much more consistent output. But then again it's been more than one band really hasn't it. Fresh blood can definitely make a difference. But really I prefer keyboard oriented music to guitar oriented music first of all and then with the first 6 albums ELP did, they forever cemented themselves in "Holy Crap these guys kick azz" hall of fame. And now with the recent release of Keith Emerson Band in Moscow Emo proves once more that no matter how hard life is and no matter what it throws at him he is the king of keyboards. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: 2dogs
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 13:45
Emerson is incredible at keyboards, but I voted for King Crimson for the experimentalism.
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 14:28
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Fripp and Co.
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:02
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I love both bands, but King Crimson has the far more consistent discography. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:06
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I would always vote for ELP because of:
The Barbarian
Tank
Tarkus
The Endless Enigma
From The Beginning
Trilogy
Karn Evil 9
Toccata
Pirates
..but that illustrates an issue with ELP , they recorded several great tracks over their first 5 studio albums but none of those albums are masterpeices. (and after Works Volume One there was 'nothing'.)
King Crimson on the other hand made massive albums like ITCOTKC and Red that were virtually templates for symphonic prog and heavy prog. KC was more than one band though and that should be factored into the debate. The line up that made Red was very diferent to that on the debut. Then you had the later stuff. Only one common denominator - Mr Fripp.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:10
I disagree, Trilogy and BSS are both masterpieces. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:18
| KC is a more important band---and have music that is holding up over time--the same can't be said for ELP--- |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:21
Trilogy is the most consistent but The Sheriff and Living Sin are a little lacking
BSS is my favourite album and for 40 minutes is mostly brilliant but the last 5 minutes just isn't impressive enough for me like say the end of Tarkus is.Its my only real gripe although Benny The Bouncer is not exactly ELP's finest moment and neither is the dodgy injoke lyrics on Still You Turn Me On.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:24
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Crimson by a long way.
I like ELP, and I would agree with Snowie, that Trilogy is a masterpiece. One of my top albums of recent years. It took me quite a while to appreciate both bands, for different reasons, but I've enjoyed exploring Crimson more; not really knowing what to expect with each album I bought, but never being disappointed. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:42
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I like ELP very much and BSS is one of my top albums but i prefer KC by far because of: -Starless -Islands -Trio -Epitaph -In the court of the Crimson King -Larks tongues...part1,2 -Lady of the dancing water -Song of Gulls (!!!!!!) -Fallen Angel - Talking Drum -Frame dy frame -Indiscipline -Dinasaur -One time etc ------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 16:20
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ELP by a small margin. ------------- 
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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 16:40
| King Crimson. I don't listen ELP anymore, find it kind of boring ... |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 19:28
IMO BSS is their only masterpiece. Trilogy, other than the title track and In the Beginning, bores me  ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 19:36
| I like them both pretty much, but I like King Crimson better. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 21:01
This. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 05:00
Well I still must disagree. The Sheriiff and Living Sin are excellent tracks. As are Benny the B and Still...... I would say Tarkus is a masterpiece too but I won't. I don't feel like defending it. The end of BSS is aswesome btw. Are you sure you are a fan? You aren't a fan in the way I am. I have noticed this many times before. I love ELP you just seem to like them a lot. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 05:52
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KC's first album is way better than any ELP album.
ELP's first five albums are way better than KC's second best album.
I vote for ELP.
Come to think of it ITCOTCK is only a bit better than Trilogy and Pictures.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 06:01
For me as well. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 08:00
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If it wasn't for the very last ouputs I would have said ELP, but this time I'm for "both" ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 09:05
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King Crimson did not release crud like Love Bithc and In the Hot Sheet ------------- 
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 10:20
neither , I do like ELP first 3 albums, Tarkus being one of my fav albums ever, never got into KC, I don't know is someting in their music that Is unlistenable to mebut no band between these two is among my fav bands |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 11:32
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ELP made two very good albums (ELP and Trilogy), though they aren't my fave band of all time. I kept 4 of their albums when I had my pogrom last year and got rid of 1200 albums.
KC made one I initially loved (ITCOTCK) but after that, it went downhill and I've got sick of even the debut now - it sounds SO dated. All theirs went to the gulag. And I don't miss them.
So ELP for me. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 13:26
I think people who LOVE ELP are rare. I do, though. Mainly because of Emerson, who for about five years was more useful to me as a musician than my own piano teacher! King Crimson are more progressive, however. In fact, it is quite clear that they remain the most progressive band in the history of post-Beatles music. I don't make that claim lightly. But along with Yes, these two groups are the only [prog] ones that I'm sure I will continue listening to after the "initial purchasing stages", forming a trilogy ( ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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) of music that is very important in my life.Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 14:11
I don't understand this whatsoever.. You didn't even mention their real masterpieces.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 16:32
I bought all the recent remasters
I have all the box sets
I have the solo compilations
I've read Keith Emersons autobiography (I don't read books)
I've travelled to London to especially meet some ELP fans
I admit to being a fan quite readily and don't feel embarassed
BUT ELP WERE FLAWED!! They had many wonderfull highs but some rotten lows as well. They were not a normal band. They couldn't be Pink Floyd,Genesis etc They struggled to be consistent and probably didn't even care about such things.In this day and age it doesn't even matter.
The end of Karn Evil 9 is far from awesome to me but you are of course entitled to your opinion.
We could get into questions of what is a masterpeice. Trilogy is a nice collection of tracks but lacks real coherence to be a masterpeice. Karn Evil 9 is almost a masterpeice.
ELP's masterpeice's? IMO - Pirates,Trilogy (the track) and Tarkus (especially the live WBMFTTSTNE version). In general ELP have some great tracks and a decent legacy. It was never going to be a long term project.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 16:39
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^ Ok...you are a bigger fan. I seem to appreciate their music more than you though. For the life of me I can't see whats wrong with the end of Third Impression. A lot of things you say about ELP I disagree with. I forgot to add that Pictures is a masterpiece too. Each to their own I suppose. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 19:19
| Overall, I believe "Pictures at an Exhibition" is my favourite ELP album... the closer to a masterpiece according to me. |
Posted By: spknoevl
Date Posted: January 25 2012 at 08:32
That's interesting since they didn't write most of it. Their interpretations were interesting although once I heard the orchestral and solo piano versions, I could never listen to ELP's version again. ------------- http://martinwebb.bandcamp.com The notes are just an interesting way to get from one silence to the next - Mick Gooderick |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 25 2012 at 08:33
Oh I could..even more so. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 25 2012 at 15:28
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 25 2012 at 15:37
just seems to lose momentum
I quite like the lyric ' their graves need no flowers, the tapes have recorded their names' (Sinfield?) . The first 5 minutes of 3rd Impression is utterly sublime but I'm looking for a killer ending (like Aquatarkus) and its just not quite there (imo). I said on the KE9 poll thread that I was pleased to see 3rd Impression getting a lot of love. I even voted for it myself which probably seems like a blatant contradiction to what I've just written!
With Pictures I just like most of the alternative versions ELP did. There is a fantastic version on one of the official bootleg releases recorded about 1974. They are on fire. Love the Lyceum version version as well. The actual album release is a bit too clean. I like a bit of dirt with the organ and cymbals nice and loud.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 25 2012 at 18:09
Well, I like the album, whether it was written by ELP or not. I also have heard Ravel's orchestrated version. I guess it would be interesting to hear the original piano version. |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 01:36
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One of the rare times I vote for both.
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Posted By: spee
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 04:51
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KING CRIMSON |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 04:53
^ Welcome aboard and cheers for your first post. 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 03:04
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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 05:55
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King Crimson.
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Posted By: FunkyHomoSapien
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 09:29
| ELP; love crimsons 1st but nothing else |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 17:24
Crimson was better because they never made an atrocius album. ELP did.
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Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:14
| I am not the biggest fan of ELP, but I like to listen to them now and then. KC on the other hand I donīt ever feel like listening to. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:37
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KC ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:39
What about Beat or Thrak? Besides it is his choice waht he prefers.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Proggy Pogo
Date Posted: February 05 2012 at 12:29
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ELP for me! ------------- 
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 05 2012 at 13:26
Beat is a great album, haven't heard Thrak. So is Three of a Perfect Pair.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 05 2012 at 13:50
Never liked Beat. Neal and Jack and Me. Shocking. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 03:49
| Great quality from the only genuine KC album, but best overall contribution has to be ELP |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 18:19
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When I can vote: Both. -------------  
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Posted By: pfloyd
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 15:33
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ELP. I mean Tarkus is just too f**king awesome.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 09:45
| No contest for me, as much as i respect ELP , king crimson is groundbreaking in a lot of their releases. |