UFO!
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: UFO!
Posted By: sarge
Subject: UFO!
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 05:07
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What's goin on proggies?!? Thought I'd take the time out of my particularly boisterous Friday night to let you all know how disheartened I was to find out UFO haven't found their place in PA. Obviously they're not progressive rock in the strictest sense, but surely their first 2/3 albums earn them a spot in the 'space rock/prog related' sections. C'mon guys...you know you want to... Warm regards to all (especially those with long hair!) |
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 05:15
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Lukewarm regards from a short haired Highland terrier: I agree that UFO were on the first 2 albums a veritable 'freakout' band but Prog or even related?...nah
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 06:46
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UFO is a hard rock band basically, however they recorded one highlight which fits our genre - it's 'Flying - One Hour Space Rock' - not enough though to consider them prog overall
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 07:48
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I think they were already proposed and rejected before. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 08:15
perfectly agree, they are in same category as Scorpions |
Rivertree wrote:Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 18:02
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Scorpions 1st album is about as psychadelic as you can get! That is a brilliant album.......and even Fly To the Rainbow has a lot of psych/art rock....from there it turns into certain songs, then Uli leaves. I love Scorpions.....
As far as UFO...never thought of them as psych/art.......Anyhow not for the PA, both are over on MMA where they belong. -------------   
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 18:07
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Obsession is progrelated, whether that means they should be added is another question |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 18:17
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^ I think most of their early stuff is Prog Related probably. No big deal if not added though. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 18:29
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^ well if most of the early stuff and Obsession is PR, maybe it merits further thought |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 21:27
| The album Flying is definitely progressive, but i wouldn't say the others are |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 21 2012 at 03:46
I was shooting from the hip as it were. i will endeavour to investigate further.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 21 2012 at 04:59
| There is a connection between them and the far more progressive Lone Star (singer Paul Chapman played in both bands) but thats about it. Good hard rock band imo. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 21 2012 at 07:48
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I didn't listen to the first two recently but I remember them as definite contenders for Space Rock or suchlike...psychedelia possibly. Third album Phenomenon is straight out Rock( first Schenker album) Fourth album Force It has the beginning of the UFO sound. A rock album for sure but first album with some keyboards. Schenker really rocks on this album!  ...more to come I'm just loving Force It!
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 21 2012 at 08:24
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They were prog rock in their beginnings but they progressed to a more enjoying hard-rock later on. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: January 21 2012 at 09:32
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I love this band, seriously love UFO. Aside from some fairly regular proggy embellishments though, they aren't a prog band. Or at least any more. If it is agreed that the first one or two are unequivocally space or psych prog, then isn't the rule that the band should be added, with the bio making clear that only albums 1, x and y are progressive rock? I'm not seeking to dilute the archive but I'm sure that's what I read. Or maybe someone has put something in my breakfast cereal and I've dreamed it up!
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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: January 21 2012 at 10:11
| And if UFO1 / Flying are added, I agree that Lonesome Crow (Scorpions) should be on here too! |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 06 2012 at 07:58
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UFO are terrific The new album is a compliation here: 
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Posted By: Lord Jagged
Date Posted: February 06 2012 at 08:31
Paul Chapman was the guitarist not the singer in both bands - not a bad player either. ------------- Dead Souls In The Rear View Mirror Hitch A Ride For A While.. |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 17:26
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Wow, never seen this thread before. And, yes, this is a terrific band. I agree their first output (1970-1972) is psychedelic/space rock thing. For another psych number just listen to Alpha Centauri from their excellent 1980's No Place to Run. After that period they went heavier in sound, changing their mood. The years with Shencker are the most brilliant and famous but the Chapman-era produced so may gems also and is so unjustly overlooked by many fans. The music has a heavy edge and at the very same time is very elegant and refined too, you can listen to excellent synth and keys (just listen to Mechanix' intro, for example) and even sax. Not only: in the superb 1981's record The Wild, The Willing and The Innocent there are wonderful orchestral arrangements (courtesy of Paul Buckmaster) for a quasi-symphonic appeal. All in all a band I wouldn't be surprised to see, at least, in the prog-related subgenre. |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 17:31
Indeed, a superb album. Sublime in places. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 09:32
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 12:36
I am glad they turned hard-rock. I can live without their spacey stuff. I agree that not having them in PA is a mistake though. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 16:03
Indeed, their first spacey output is far from memorable. Their post '74 production is hard and wonderful, proggy in places as in the memorable "Love to Love" or in "Lights Out", the latter very reminiscent of Zep's "Achilles Last Stand". I love in particular the Chapman-years. This is "The Writer" opening number on their Mechanix album (1982). Wonderful synth solo and sax. |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 16:07
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... and "Profession of Violence" is probably one of the best ballads of all time! |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 15:23
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The great "Love to Love" (1977): |
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 17:30
My dad bought that album just for "The Writer", he never listens to any other track off that record.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 18:39
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Great to see this thread again. UFO could have been placed in PR but nothing more. Related to Prog at least but hard rock is more suited as they didnt explore the more proggy territory fully. They appear on prog compilations often though. -------------
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 03 2013 at 07:15
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^^^ I agree. Psych/space wouldn't be suitable for them 'cause their earlier stuff is not very representative of their hard/rock - proto/metal style. Further interesting proggy sparkles can be heard here and there in their Crysalis years, btw. So, prog-related should be the (correct) classification.
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 03 2013 at 16:18
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This is a great and interesting number. Strong Zep's influence and a good mellotron in the second part. "This Kid's (incl. Between the Walls)" from Force It (1975). |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 03 2013 at 16:21
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... from the very same album another gem with mellotron sound (and acoustic guitar): "High Flyer". |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 04 2013 at 14:41
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This another one I love: "Martian Landscape" from No Heavy Petting (1976). Dreamy keys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg9l2419HKw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg9l2419HKw |
Posted By: Gooner
Date Posted: April 05 2013 at 12:16
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Definitely the first 3 UFO albums. If Rainbow is on PA...so should UFO. (prog related)
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 05 2013 at 12:20
Fair point, and one which is difficult to argue with. Having said that, you could make the same argument for a slew of hard and classic rock acts from the 70's & 80's, in which case we would turn into the ProgClassicHeavyHard Archives. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: April 05 2013 at 12:29
Rainbow's case - at least as I see it - is a tad different. You can draw their distinct influence on to Rising Force/Malmsteen and on to Symphony X. A distinct influence on the formation of progressive metal as a style. While I wouldn't have minded seeing UFO here due to their first albums, I can't really see an argument for them in the same manner as for Rainbow. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 05 2013 at 16:11
UFO were a major influence on Steve Harris, and Iron Maiden in general. And as everyone knows, maiden were essential in the development of prog metal. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 06 2013 at 15:50
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ehe he heh now we've found two arguments for their desired inclusion in prog-related: 1) their first 2 studio records (UFO e UFO 2 - Flying) plus their first LIVE. 2) their influence on the development of prog metal (it means for their records from Phenomenon on). I think both are correct and fair even if the latter is more in the field of personal opinion than in the field of objectiveness. |
Posted By: stegor
Date Posted: April 07 2013 at 23:25
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I loved UFO (and Scorpions) back in the '70's, but not because they were Prog or Prog related, just because they were an awesome melodic hard rock band with excellent musicianship and songwriting and performance skills. They veered into Prog a bit here and there (Love to Love (despite it's title), Martian Landscape and a few others), but not enough in my opinion. On the other hand, Flying (One Hour Space Rock), I would call prog, but I can't stand it. Ironic. |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 08 2013 at 14:58
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I see your point. The first output of the band is not where to start
with. Personally I prefer the Chapman years to the more celebrated
Schenker era. I agree also with the first part of your post: I listen to music I like no matter what genre. And I like UFO a lot. Prog related is only a fictio; it is not a true kind of music. We use the term here for the sake of completeness. It is not a meaningless word, though. We need evidence in music or in musicians. Here' another interesting number from the Making Contact wonderful album (1983): When It's Time To Rock. It's not only an anthemic hard rock song; I listen to some proto-progmetal in the middle section. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwxipYRhou8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwxipYRhou8 |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 08 2013 at 15:41
same here, and unfortunately, in a similar way, I also would say prog Journey is very lame compared to AOR Journey. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 10 2013 at 16:27
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I love the dreamy keys of Danny Peyronell, acoustic guitar, mellotron and slow solos of Schenker. This is Belladonna from the No Heavy Petting album (1976). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnrTkWelwHA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnrTkWelwHA |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 10 2013 at 16:45
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This one has no keyboards but reminds me of italian band Jumbo (although Phil Mogg is no Alvaro Fella eheheh). It's Space Child from Phenomenon (1974). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Y0M-bs-rs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Y0M-bs-rs |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 10 2013 at 17:10
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This is the wonderful Long Gone, from The Wild, The Willing and The Innocent album (1981). Great intro and superb ending... thanks Paul Buckmaster for the orchestral arrangements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-DOrM6IAG4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-DOrM6IAG4 |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 10 2013 at 17:55
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UFO? Great band.
But hard rock, not prog.
Now Lone Star - that's a diifferent matter. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 11 2013 at 02:36
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That's quite clear they are not a prog band. In their first period (1970-1972) they played space rock (this is the opinion of many reviewers and what the band itself intended at the time, no matter how good is that first output - I personally don't like very much). Then they went to change direction into hard territories as they changed guitarist and label. On the other hand we try now to understand how acceptable is a prog-related inclusion. I mean prog-related, so we all know it is not a progressive rock subgenre according to the rules of this site. Did you listen to the tracks I linked in this thread? Many of them are somehow pleasantly suprising...
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 11 2013 at 05:43
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Think I'll draw a conclusion in a few days. I'd like to sum up the position and display in one post all the good points for inclusion in prog-related.
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 18 2013 at 15:29
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Another interesting number is "Alone Again Or" from the Lights Out album (1977) (originally by the US band Love). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGThk_5vI0w" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGThk_5vI0w |