A Map Of Prog
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation
Forum Description: Discuss specific prog bands and their members or a specific sub-genre
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Topic: A Map Of Prog
Posted By: sigod
Subject: A Map Of Prog
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 10:33
I saw this and thought of you all.  
------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
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Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 12:42
Brings a tear to me eye it does... 
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 12:49
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I tried to create a prog family-tree once and gave up. Way too many cross-references; it became a blur of lines. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 13:17
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Posted By: kingofbizzare
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 17:26
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I wish it was a little bigger so I could read all of it... oh well, I get the gist of it.
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 17:27
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yea i have also come across that site amongst my internet travels. ------------- 
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Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 17:41
At least the author spelled Dream Theatre correctly 
------------- Marmalade...I like marmalade. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 22:47
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i guess it's prog as a general format. only the basics. i'm sure the lines aren't so clear and there's a lot of blurring going on. But I like looking at it. gives me a sense of direction. Just a couple of things: 1. Gentle Giant and others are under the "Canturbury" subcategory. What does this subcategory indicate? 2. Styx a prog band. I don't care if it's under the "pomp/pop prog" subcategory. They aren't prog. At least they aren't on the same level as Rush. Not saying that subcategoris indicate equality beteween artists, but still... ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 04:16
| Fusion dosn't come out of prog. It came out of Miles Davis. Aka Jazz. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 04:32
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It's a different kind of Fusion (Jazz-Fusion vs. Canterbury influenced "Prog-Fusion"). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Hierophant wrote:Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 09:35
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Excellent. I want to frame it and put it on the wall.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 10:39
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How many more times - no it does - Miles Davis popularised it: Tony Williams, Charles Lloyd, Brecker Brothers, Larry Coryell, etc. got in first. Read Stuart Nicholson: Jazz Rock A History for the facts and chronology. Some 'jazz rock fusion' came out of jazz musicians interest in rock rhythms and amplification, and some out of rock musicians who loved jazz and wanted to incorporate it into their rock music. And there is a lot of 'fusion' that has nothing to do with rock. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 10:43
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Sigod
Thanks for reminding me of the Lucky brave attempt of relating the genre. Record Collector, about 15 months ago, when dealing with prog rock, attempted to illustrate prog asa planetary system, with satellite moons orbiting each planet - didn't work particulary well. Personally I think some of modern software used in mechanical modelling in 3D, which allows links to 4th and 5th levels might be used to provide the relationships/differences. |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 12:04
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DH It's never going to be a complete map (sadly not many non-British bands listed) but I think it's a good attempt at describing what is a very complex genre. The record collector map sound interesting, do you know if there is a copy of it on line? Pete Frame (famous for his rock family trees) is also worth a look for this kind of band links (although he does his through the personnel rather than music style. Speaking of family trees, I found http://www.rock.co.za/files/trevor_rabin_tree.html - about Trevor Rabin and the bands he's playing through his career. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 13:18
Of Styx I only know their second album. It is doubtlessly prog, though only mainstream and not very interesting IMHO. Putting Gentle Giant under "Canterbury" is a little far-fetched. Trouserpress, for whom Gentle Giant are the houseband, will certainly wrinkle his eyebrows. Canterbury denominates more a group of musicians than a specific style and is very closely associated with RIO (rock in opposition); though there have been explcite founding members of RIO I'd say that the borderline between Canterbury and RIO is at least a fuzzy one. An excellent site about Canterbury is this one: http://calyx.club.fr/index.html . Note that this site does NOT list Gentle Giant! -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 13:41
My eyebrows did indeed ripple inquisitively when I noticed that one (I'm a huge Canterbury fan too, let us not forget). GG are a hard one to pin down - they never recorded an "epic" and had little time for a lot of the pomp associated with symphonic prog, but they were hardly part of the Canterbury scene. It's probably easiest to refer to them as symphonic prog, but I've actually seen websites who list "Gentle Giant Influenced" as a subgenre in its own right! Still, this family tree is an excellent little thing and a fine achievement! Now, how about a COMPREHENSIVE one?  The mind boggles! |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 15:12
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Hey, Trousie, I see you are exploring Guru Guru. A good thing;
excellent band that went through many many different styles. It would
be helpful though if you understood some German, because some of the
humor of them is lost for you else. Sometimes (very rarely though,
thanks God) they use the Bavarian dialect, and since I am American by
birth even I am stranded then, though my German is excellent meanwhile;
fortunately my wife Friede understands that dialect pretty well. If you
have any questions about the lyrics just ask Friede or me.
------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 01:53
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you know me, shrink the Canterbury and enlarge the
Space Rock Electronic, give the europeans the credit they are due. Pink Floyd and Tangerine Dream represent the spirit behind the whole movement!
of course with a nod to The Moody Blues Genesis Yes Jethro Tull ELP Focus Samla Mammas Manna Clearlight Lard Free Ange Atila Klaus Schulze Schicke, Fuhrs & Froeling Ashra Cluster Picchio dal Pozzo PFM Banco Vangelis Frank Zappa Kansas Synergy |
Posted By: kingwingding
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 23:02
| how thoughtfull |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 10:01
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It's wonderful to know you care. Cool map. |
Posted By: Scratchy
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 20:15
Disagree Fusion does mean the fusion between Hard Bop jazz styles & hard rock(which included prog which was beginning to flourish).Miles Davis Bitches Brew was the pioneering album.This is also called jazz-rock.Canterbury was influenced by Hard Bop/fusion/avante garde/hard rock(inc.prog).Jazz fusion & Prog fusion seem non-discript to me and are terms not used generally to my knowledge.You are almost saying Jazz Jazz-rock(Jazz-fusion).Prog-fusion also doesn't make sense to me,perhaps you mean avant-prog which is a sub genre which seems to be developing. Progressive jazz is a form of arty Big Band jazz of course. |