The Iraq War
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Topic: The Iraq War
Posted By: cannon
Subject: The Iraq War
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:07
| The last of the US troops pulled out of Iraq a few days ago. Already things are starting to unravel and maybe the country is on the verge of a civil war. As of today, who would you say is the winner of from the outcome of the war? |
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:12
| No "winner" IMO. |
Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:15
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Nobody, indeed. ------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:30
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If all the oil available has been sucked out of there by now, the winner would by Dubbya. If there's still some left, it'd be the side standing furthest away when someone sets fire to it. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:33
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harmonium.ro wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:38
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 22:03
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I would say Kellogg, Root, and Brown would be a prime candidate for winner.
------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 23:01
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American politicans and some CEOs won
Everyone else lost -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 01:16
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Dick Cheney and various corporate criminals. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 02:30
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No "other" option? Which would go for: Absolutely no one
D'oh! I forgot about them.... "Colonialism is sponsored by corporations, that's why haliburton gets paid to rebuild nations" -Immortal Technique Crazy ass commie rapper but hey, still works for me! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 02:38
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No winner, lots of losers. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 04:23
indeed  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 05:00
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Winners? Newly founded democratically electable bodies such as the We hate America party and the F*ck America party
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 07:22
This. Other than that, no one. It's rather depressing when you think that the country probably would have been better off with Saddam still in power. Iran is the runner up.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 13:48
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No winners. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 13:53
Agree 100%. ------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 14:05
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On second thought, it seems like Russia and China are the "winners".
------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 14:40
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To call it a war is to be ignorant. ------------- 
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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 15:04
What do you call it? ------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 15:36
I call it one more step towards American Martial Law. -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 15:43
mmmmm cute prog responses...how I get so tired of em Some things that are for sure, Iraq was a war and it was no different from all the others... The grand irony to me was how the War on Terrorism is supposed to be an unconventional war, and against terrorism.... Seems to have been fought a pretty traditional way and against entire countries! Poor wubya, to think he goes to bed every night thinking he was actually doing good for the world. Poor poor fool, no idea of the reality outside his bubble world created for him. |
Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 15:46
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"The Iraq War, or the War in Iraq (also referred to as the Occupation of Iraq, the Second Gulf War, or Operation Iraqi Freedom by the United States military), was a conflict that occurred in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq" rel="nofollow - Iraq from March 20, 2003 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War#cite_note-PBS-20040226-40" rel="nofollow - [41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War#cite_note-Baker-41" rel="nofollow - [42] to December 15, 2011." From Wiki, of course. Written by ignorant people??? On the other hand, I can understand your opinion. Still it was a war, wasn’t it? ------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 15:55
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Yeah ignore the "alternative guy/look at me" response. Why bother with whatever you wanna call it? It just distracts from the wrong that happened. Iraq is certainly no winner in this, while it's good Saddam is no longer around the sudden power vacuum has thrown the country into civil war. Maybe it would've happened anyway, but the whole "installing democracy" thing is just an utter mess. The US has now set Iraq back god knows how long... |
Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 16:29
Exactly. No real winners here. Merry Christmas! (I actually mean it: Merry Christmas everybody, wherever you are.) ------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 27 2011 at 03:15
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It was an invasion and then an occupation, but never a war. It's another joyous gallop in a foreign land led by American neo-conservative foreign policy. It exposed our sh*tty intelligence, destroyed our moral high ground on the world stage (assuming we still had any), bankrupted our nation, gave Muslim extremists another focal point in their homeland to wage an insurgency against an invader. It was a slaughter of brown people with a few thousand white coalition forces down. Now wait a few months until there is a Kurd uprising against the regime there and it further destabilizes. We're holding on so tightly to the hope that it works out in the end, but give it time. It'll be another Syria. And then what will we say? What we do now: "At least Saddam is dead." And how many Middle-Easterners need to die in the invasion, occupation, and destabilization for that not to matter any more? I'm not sure who the winner is, but we the American people are clear, unequivocal losers for being duped into the nationalist fervor of this occupation, and we should be ashamed to think of this "adventure" as any sort of victory.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 27 2011 at 11:01
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If only McCain had been elected, he would have done all the right things and Iraq would be a paradise now.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 27 2011 at 14:21
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Wasn't McCain elected? I can't really tell.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 27 2011 at 14:40
I get the feeling you are implying a single person on this forum would agree with that. Time to burst bubbles... ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: December 28 2011 at 00:20
Yep
Let me be the first to say here that as bad as Iraq was Iran will be much much worse. Already appear to be fighting a covert war against them and unless the one non-interventionist candidate gets elected I'm fairly certain we'll be at full blown ground war in a few years time. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 28 2011 at 03:46
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Well we have been hearing about it for years...luckily he's pulled the Kim Jong il "scare the sh*t out of people" card which kept the want for Iran down here, and the Dems time in power quashed it. They may be ok with all the wars we got but are no neo cons at least. You're not alone though, a real conservative professor I had (and government guy, he worked 30 years in the CIA and as an attache) and he was strongly opposed to a war in Iran, citing history and conditions and how it'd be a far bigger disaster than Iraq. But hey, who knows. As Colbert said, Iraq, Iran....it's just an "n" difference! |
Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: December 28 2011 at 05:34
It's been going for some time now. Iran has just stated that they might block the oil shipments coming through the Strait Of Hormuz if sanctions are widened. The tensions are heating up almost on a daily basis.
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: December 28 2011 at 08:55
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The U.S. government has been aggressing on Iran since 1953. Their behavior, as a small country being bullied by a superpower, has been extremely reasonable. It is a damn shame that the media allows our politicians to make a boogeyman out of a man who has absolutely no real power in Iran (Ahmadinejad). ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: December 28 2011 at 12:50
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^Yes, the true power is on the hands of ayatolah Khamenei. ------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 28 2011 at 13:01
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: December 28 2011 at 18:18
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I wouldn't support the US government interfering with anyone's internal affairs be it Irans, Venezuelas, or yours. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: April 16 2012 at 13:51
| I don't know much about any wars after WW2 |