Writing
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Topic: Writing
Posted By: pammiwhammi
Subject: Writing
Date Posted: July 04 2005 at 21:47
For months I shied away from the Fostex DMT multi track recorder,
dreading the fateful day I'd be compelled to sit before it and record.
There were parts floating around in the spaces between my ears, but
none of them were so singularly arresting as to break my recording
strike. I set deadlines for myself; "Thursday I'll write" or "I'll have
a drum part and bass parts Saturday." Thursdays came and went, as did
Saturdays. Finally, today, I forced myself to sit, program a drum part,
and translate the bass parts I hear in my head. Never mind guitar; That
will come later. I'm a guitarist; guitar is easy!
Surprise; I composed a nice 7/8 drum part, then I layered a bass line
in 11 over that...it sounds wonderfully demented!! The writers block is
done, I think. In no small part I owe this community for that, because
without knowing that there are people willing to listen there doesn't
seem much point in producing anything, at least of high enough quality
that I'd release it.
------------- "I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress..."
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Posted By: Ankaret
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 01:02
I know what you mean. I think the biggest pain in the ass is doing stuff like sequenced drums and boring bass parts (when you're not a bass player and just add it for the frequency's own sake). Then when something doesn't sound the way you want it to it's just such a big turnoff for me...but once I finish guitar effects and ambient type of stuff Im always excited to do vocals and guitar solos which are the best part of ANY recording process because they're leads, and allow you to improvise and adapt your ideas the most compared to the other things in the recording (for me anyway).
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 09:25
I find writing vocals first to be the most challenging and most rewarding way;
A set of lyrics on a page suddenly becomes a tune. You play the tune using any keyboard voice at random, then set about working a drum pattern around it. Spaces open up for bridges, cadenzas and codas, and it's time to work out some basic harmonies.
This is always fun, as the voice line can suggest many harmonic variations, and you can simply throw one off-the-wall chord in there, and the implied harmonies all change.
Adding bass becomes even more fun, as you can alter all the harmonic expectations - but it starts to become a precision art at this point.
Now comes the colouring in - turning the harmonies into rhythm parts or simple lines, intertwining...
All the time, the drum track and bass need simultaneous tweaks to maintain the rhytmic, harmonic and (in the case of bass) melodic sense.
Then I add rhythm guitars and vocals. Often at this stage, a rhythm guitar part can colour a vocal line and vice versa, or a keyboard part will suddenly jump out as being more important.
Next vocal harmonies.
Sometimes I have completely stripped out harmony layers just to get the vocal harmonies I wanted. It's all sacrifice for the greater good!
Lastly, guitar or keyboard leads. These require little effort - the hard work is all in building up the overall picture that you're trying to paint. Get the cake right and it practically ices itself.
That's my "normal" approach, anyway... needless to say, I do it differently each time I write as it's more exciting that way - I never know what I'm going to come out of the studio with
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Posted By: Ankaret
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 12:28
It always surprises me very much to hear about so many people that really begin writing a song or piece of music by jotting down some lyrics. I do understand that this may be the most inspirational starting point, but I don't ever do it because it seems like I have some boundary to stay within for the music, whereas writing the riffs (on guitar), adding the keyboards, bass and drums, painting those musical textures allows me to be adventurous, then step back when the instrumental track is done, listen, and adapt lyrics to whatever it is that I have just created. This is why I always found it strange that a lead singer should help in the writing process of a group's material, but then you look at groups like Genesis, and it must have worked.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 16:21
I like to start with the lyrics simply because I can then let them suggest the music - so the music expresses something in the words.
Obviously that doesn't work for instrumentals - and frequently I find that I write a nice lick or two for a song only to find that it works better in something else! I'd find it difficult to write words that express the music I write - there are too many thoughts co-existing in it simultaneously and I'd probably end up with babble. Worth a try though!
There aren't any cast-iron rules about it, of course - the best music understands but breaks the rules, IMO
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Posted By: The Owl
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 15:31
Sometimes I battle with writers blocks, but once past, I actually look forward to firing up my Cubase program and creating some sonic mayhem. Improvisation plays a GIGANTIC part in my writing and musical concept. Though having learned how to do the one-person-band thing, I much prefer playing with other musicians. Recently, I did hook up witha great bassist and we've started to develop a playing/creating chemistry.
One example for me was the song "Ghost of A Train". It started with having a drummer come over to my house one night and recording about a half-hour of improvised drumming with some suggestions here and there (though not much). Several months later, I dug out the CD of him and loaded it into the computer, before long, one of his improvs triggered a full blown idea.
Other times., I did the programmed drums/ mapping out nearly every note thing too ("Upstairs" and "Commerciality At Last" as 2 examples) Luckily, I had a friend program those who is areal legit drummer so that helped on the realism end.
------------- People are puzzled why I don't dig the Stones, well, I listened to the Stones, I tried, and I tried, and I tried, and--I Can't Get No Satisfaction!
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Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 15:16
Since I'm just a bassist, and I also own a keyboard (126 MIDI samples) and my dad owns a plethora of guitars (acoustic, electric, acoustic-electric), I'll often jot down stuff I come up with on music lined paper. Unfortunately, all our instruments are in one room, and our computer is in another, so it's a real pain to record...I don't have a band yet either, so that makes it harder, and I'd have to layer everything.
But that aside, I've written down pages of music ideas, most of them bass lines and "starting points" for songs, but quite a few are acoustic guitar parts. They're practically all in odd times too, and some go with each other...I just have yet to record them. But I don't have a drumset, and couldn't play 'em if I did...and I don't know how to program drums (I'm not even sure it'll do odd time signatures). As for lyrics, I find poetry often restricts the music. It's better to write music and lyrics together, so I have a notebook where I'll scrawl down any ideas, quotes, or verses for later use when I get a band. So really I'm just accumulating musical ideas for later, when I get a band.
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