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Topic: Kevin Gilbert/ Thud
Posted By: Tiresias
Subject: Kevin Gilbert/ Thud
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:37

Hi guys!

I'm new to the forum but I've been a huge fan of the site for about a year or so. 

I wanted to know if any of you are familiar with Kevin Gilbert.

He made the albums "Thud" and "The Shaming of the True", the latter of which features the multi-part vocal harmonies reminiscent of Spock's Beard and Gentle Giant.

He is primarily known as a record producer/singer/songwriter.  For instance, he wrote the FU section in Spock's Beard's "The Water" and also produced Beware of Darkness.  He was also the producer for Sheryl Crow (who used to play keyboards for him). Unfortunately, it is hard to find his albums, and there will be no further albums, due to the fact that he died (of autoerotic aspyxhiation .  

 



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:40

I only know The Shaming Of The True - a brilliant concept album about the music business. Better than Lamb Lies Down On Broadway if you ask me.

Welcome to the forum!

Edit: As far as I know, he wrote most of the songs on Sheryl Crow's Tuesday Night Music Club, but wasn't credited on the album when it became a huge success.



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Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:50

Judging by "the Water", I would assume he's pretty obscene?

I have a friend with tons of incredible prog music who won't let me borrow his Kevin Gilbert.

 

I wonder if he could burn them for me?



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:51

You are looking at a huge KG fan.I bring him up from time to time on this forum but no one really responds to it.Probably because while he worked behind the scenes in the prog world he wrote a lot of pop songs for other musicians and his solo work isn't really prog.He described it as Prog Pop.You are missing out on some other KG albums besides Thud and the brilliant The Shaming of the True(Which is amazing.One of my favorite concept albums.Anyone reading this who hasn't heard it should try to get their hands on it)

Giraffe-The Power of Suggestion

Giraffe-The View from Up Here

Kevin Gilbert and Thud-Live at the Troubadour

Toy Matinee

The Kaviar Sessions

Most of these extremely hard to find cds can be ordered at his official site run by his estate.I am very fortunate to have his whole live performance of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway on cd.Absolutely brilliant stuff.I think the man was a musical genius who had a great lyrical sensibility whose talent will never be fully appreciated.



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:02

Here's what happened with Crow:

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Death of a Star: Kevin Gilbert, who launched his music career in the clubs of the South Bay, died in his home near Los Angeles at the age of 29.

From writing songs for Sheryl Crow to auditioning as Phil Collins' replacement, South Bay musician Kevin Gilbert could do almost anything, except get the recognition he deserved

By http://www.boulevards.com/blvds/alleys/homes/Richard_Sine/ - Richard Sine

MTV DID a gossipy report on its news show. The Associated Press wrote it up. And the L.A. music scene knows all about it. But in the South Bay, where Grammy winner Kevin Gilbert grew up and first made his name in the music business, his death caused barely a ripple. The San Jose Mercury News buried a few cursory paragraphs on Gilbert on its obituary page.

Some of his friends think that oversight is a shame.

"What upset me the most is [that] this guy, with this much talent and all these connections, was our shining star," recalls former KOME DJ Greg Stone about his friend. "He was gonna make it out of this town, and make it big."

Gilbert, 29, died at his home outside of Los Angeles on May 18. The coroner listed the cause of death as "asphyxia due to partial suspension hanging."Friends and MTV more explicitly reported the cause as autoerotic asphyxiation.

The tall and good-looking Gilbert grew up in San Mateo, where he attended Serra High School. After spending a year at UCLA, Gilbert moved to Sunnyvale, where he formed the prog-rock band Giraffe, which played gigs at clubs around the South Bay, including the Oasis and the Cabaret.

After spending some time entrenched in the South Bay music scene, Gilbert moved to Los Angeles in 1989, where he established himself on the fringes of a much larger music scene. Gilbert wrote songs for Sheryl Crow, engineered a single for Michael Jackson, and helped to write Madonna's songs for the Dick Tracy soundtrack. Friends say he had a great deal of talent but just kept missing the brass ring--always working for big stars but never quite capturing the spotlight on his own.

"Kevin could do anything," says Cintra Wilson, a playwright and columnist who lived with him. "The problem was finding a niche for himself. People kept trying to pigeonhole him, but his work was totally non-derivative. The music industry doesn't have a use for people who are that original."

IN MUSIC history, Gilbert may become best known as the man who discovered Sheryl Crow, who scored multiple Grammies for her catchy 1994 album Tuesday Night Music Club. Crow was an unknown when she auditioned to be a keyboardist with Gilbert's band Toy Matinee, which also featured lead guitarist Mark Bonilla of Walnut Creek.

According to Pat Terrell, a fan of Gilbert's who became a good friend, Crow and Gilbert dated for about two years. During that time Gilbert joined in a weekly jam session known as the "Tuesday Music Club." Eventually, the Music Club started writing and recording for Crow.

Crow named her album after the group and described it lovingly in the disc's liner notes. But Gilbert did not tour with Crow, and friends say the two parted on less than cordial terms. "The relationship started to go south as soon as the Tuesday Music Club started recording for Crow," says Terrell. "No doubt part of it was jealousy. A&M was pouring millions into the project, and he was essentially blackballed."

Terrell and Stone claim that Gilbert actually wrote most of the songs on the album that are credited to Crow and four other members of the Music Club. "You can tell from listening to Giraffe or Toy Matinee that those are Kevin's songs," claims Stone.

Terrell says the other musicians and Bill Bottrell, the producer, demanded a writing credit, and thus a share of the royalties, in order to participate in the project. "Kevin was willing to surrender his stake at the time because he had no idea the album would be such a huge success."

Terrell adds, "Kevin saw it as an example of how people can change after a huge success. The Tuesday Music Club went from a bunch of people getting together to jam on Tuesday to a corporate machine in which he was steamrolled, as were many others. He watched A&M throw millions at this album, almost to turn it into a hit. He realized the record companies could turn who they want into superstars."

Stone also says that Crow betrayed Gilbert with her own record company. "When Sheryl Crow hit it big, Kevin realized he had to get his own record deal," explains Stone. "He realized he could walk into A&M and say, 'These are my songs.' But she told them that she was just being nice to everyone by mentioning him in the liner notes. She said he didn't have anything to do with these songs. That pissed him off and got him depressed."

A publicity person at A&M Records in Hollywood said Crow had no comment on Gilbert's death.

Ultimately, Gilbert received a Grammy for co-writing Crow's smash hit "All I Wanna Do." Terrell says that at the time he had gone into serious debt to build his own studio, to the point that he lived in it on a mattress. The royalties from Crow's album helped him find a place to live, and he began working on his own career.

Gilbert released a solo album, Thud, which fared poorly on a small label. At the time of his death, he was working on an album with ex­4 Non Blondes singer Linda Perry. Terrell says he had also completed an album with a group called Kaviar and a concept album about "a boy from the sticks who goes to the big city to become a rock star."

Gilbert was a big fan of the rock group Genesis when it was headed by Peter Gabriel, and wowed crowds with his performance of Genesis covers. According to friends, he was scheduled to fly to London the week after his death to audition to replace Phil Collins in the seminal prog-rock group.

Wilson says that Crow played only a minor role in Gilbert's life. "He did a lot of commercial stuff because it was extremely lucrative. He was in such demand, a real Renaissance man. He could pick up any instrument and just start playing it."

Terrell says Gilbert had a moody streak that led to frictions with the big studios. He says Gilbert had been diagnosed as a manic-depressive. "He could be several people in one. He had his goofy side, his intense, perfectionist side, his manic genius side. Other times he would just disappear for a week. Many people in the music business ultimately gave up on working with him because of his inconsistency. When he was looking for a record deal, the word got around that he was more trouble than he was worth. But I think anybody with raw genius has that."

"He always seemed just on the outside," Terrell says of his friend. "He could always get work, but could never break through completely for himself. It was frustrating for him to always be on the edge of success."

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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:08
Originally posted by Tiresias Tiresias wrote:

Judging by "the Water", I would assume he's pretty obscene?

I have a friend with tons of incredible prog music who won't let me borrow his Kevin Gilbert.

 

I wonder if he could burn them for me?

KG isn't really obscene.Given his history of  with corporations and record companies and record compnay executives and his bouts of depression he was pissed off and bitter.His lyrics reflect these emotions and frustrations.They are very cynical and depressing and dark sometimes,especially on Thud On Shaming of the True.And don't be upset with your friend.KG's works are rare and hard to find.I wouldn't loan mine to anyone either.



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:12
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Tiresias Tiresias wrote:

Judging by "the Water", I would assume he's pretty obscene?

I have a friend with tons of incredible prog music who won't let me borrow his Kevin Gilbert.

 

I wonder if he could burn them for me?

KG isn't really obscene.Given his history of  with corporations and record companies and record compnay executives and his bouts of depression he was pissed off and bitter.His lyrics reflect these emotions and frustrations.They are very cynical and depressing and dark sometimes,especially on Thud On Shaming of the True.And don't be upset with your friend.KG's works are rare and hard to find.I wouldn't loan mine to anyone either.

I would never give away my copy of Shaming Of The True. IMO It's a real gem in my collection. Just like my copy of Ron Thal - Hermit.



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Posted By: Gatot
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 20:05

Hi!

I have reviewed The Shaming of The True in this site. (You may find it difficult to find under G as there is asterisk before Gilbert name. I asked mailto:M@x - M@x to include in this site because he is truly a proghead). Please click here:

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=7589 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=7589

( mailto:M@x - M@x could you help remove the asterisk * because I cannot find under G)

Yes, he was involved in the first birth of Spock's Beard. He was the man behind SB first album.

The Shaming of The True is an excellent album with great concept. I plan to review also THUD and is possible TOY MATINEE.

Cheers,

Gatot

 



Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 20:08
Originally posted by Gatot Gatot wrote:

Hi!

I have reviewed The Shaming of The True in this site. (You may find it difficult to find under G as there is asterisk before Gilbert name. I asked mailto:M@x - M@x to include in this site because he is truly a proghead). Please click here:

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=7589 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=7589

( mailto:M@x - M@x could you help remove the asterisk * because I cannot find under G)

Yes, he was involved in the first birth of Spock's Beard. He was the man behind SB first album.

The Shaming of The True is an excellent album with great concept. I plan to review also THUD and is possible TOY MATINEE.

Cheers,

Gatot

 

Awesome,I didn't know he was on this site.You should review his Giraffe cd's too.I caution you,if you don't already have it,Toy Matinee is EXTREMELY hard to find.



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Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 21:07

I meant he won't let me burn it.  Maybe he'd do that himself.  he's the same way with his TransAtlantic DVD/CD set.  He said though that it's because its slightly obscene (KG that is.  The friend is my bass instructor who introduced me to the Flower Kings, Spock's Beard, Marillion, Muse and TransAtlantic).

Actually my local library has the Toy Matinee CD.

I'm Really Interested in finding him now.  I will get the Shaming of the True!!



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Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 21:18
Poor Guy.  Thank God he managed to make his impression on Prog and Music in general

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Posted By: DantesRing
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 22:03
A lot of the issue about his obsenity came from his work on the Kaviar album.

The Toy Matinee album was reissued in 2001with bonus tracks and is still in print. (Excellent pop material. Really top notch).

I personally love his cover of Kashmir. Unbelievably cool.

I definately miss his music. I gave a friend a copy of "Thud" two days before his death. It broke my heart to hear the news.

It does make some of his music hard to listen to. "Song For A Dead Friend" is so much more melancholy and sadly appropriate.


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