dälek for... krautrock? crossover? something.
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Topic: dälek for... krautrock? crossover? something.
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Subject: dälek for... krautrock? crossover? something.
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 15:30
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Experimental hip-hop duo from Newark, NJ. Elements of drone, noise, industrial, and the occasional raga. http://www.myspace.com/dalek They did a collaboration album with Faust (yes, THE Faust) which is actually already on the site on Faust's page The Oktopus, who makes up half of dälek, did a remix for Isis' Remixes and Reinterpretations album they did an EP with Italian band Zu and the rest of their material is also notable
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 15:34
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Someone put those guys under Krautrock. ------------- 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 15:35
I want this just for the look on Philippe's face |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 15:36
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I'd say either krautrock or avant-prog, but they're definitely progressive in some way. inb4 elitists say "rap isn't music"
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 15:40
wtf is this rubbish  !!It would cool to see Dalek on PA. Though it prolly won't happen. Who cares. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 15:41
| Yeah, it prolly won't happen. |
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 15:47
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People probably will say "urgh, they're not progressive rock" And then write a 1000 word review of Phaedra. -------------
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 15:49
| There are drums, bass, guitar sometimes. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 10:19
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bump. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 10:32
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:55
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there is no progressive or experimental rap in PA's database. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 14:39
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Ah, good ol dälek from 15 minutes away from me! As ya know I'm a fan, and I don't even have a problem with, good, rap but it's not rock music. I know, this isn't really the prog rock archives anymore but, well I'd need to hear a lot of their stuff. Not a knock on the group at all, and it is music but not sure where, if at all, they realistically fit. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 14:40
To be fair, it's not.  |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 14:45
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 14:50
guess you havn't seen my older comments? I reckon as a collab I should tone it down, so I will say..... while each team is left to their own, I personally don't really agree with how additions have been going for a few years now. Just one individual opinion there. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:18
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Listen to their album Untitled. It's a single 45 minute long track is is basically krautrock. There is barely even rapping, just a little bit of spoken word. It's not on youtube, but I'm sure you can "find" it if you are so inclined In fact I could probably upload it, but I'd rather not it will take a while |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:19
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Yeah, this doesn't fit on the site at all. Sorry. -------------  |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:33
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I fully support Dalek. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:35
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IIRC PA requires a band to have at least one album that fits the definition of any subgenre to be added. Their collaboration album with Faust grants the band addition.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:43
Untitled is more kraut than that, even |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:44
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The rap has nothing to do with it for me, and you know that is so Colin. Just where do they fit?? So they have a krautrock album? I know "one album" is what it takes but have some line to draw in the sand people Also, the collab with Faust is cool but I also don't see how a collab negates all else. If Korn collabs with King Crimson tomorrow they are now prog? Just my two cents. Obviously up to the opinion of the whole collab group and whichever team it falls on. I'm making a prog rock album, then followed by 12 pop albums and demand inclusion  |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:47
| None of their music is pop and you know it. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:49
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Tough call, but based on what I know of their discography to date they're as much Industrial with some avant rock as they are hip hop. There's been more crossover between Krautrock and hip hop than you might think; Afrikaa Bambaata used a lot of Kraftwerk grooves back in the 80s, and Holger Czukay did a collaborative album with Dr Walker. The Faust collaboration is already on here - why not stick them in eclectic, irk a few purists and open a few ears to new sonic possibilities? ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:53
lolno I meant that literally. That is what I'm gunna do. I don't think they even made 12 or 13 albums! |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:54
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 16:05
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1080p or gtfo -------------
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 16:06
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Very interesting stuff, sounds like something I might like. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 16:17
| Whether it get considered progressive or not here, all of their albums come highly recommended. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 16:52
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It might be worth mentioning that they've also toured with various bands in our experimental/post-metal genre. Untitled is totally kraut, also. Since their albums and collaborations span over various genres that at least include avant, electronic, and kraut, then they should at least be considered for crossover or prog-related. But nothing I say matters and I'm purely a fool.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 18:02
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andddddd here we go |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 18:23
Your cat avatar offers no other way to go than to submit to your opinion. Actually, what's the most "hip-hop" or "rap" album here on PA database ? ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 18:30
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=15232" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=15232 |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 18:48
Ironic really, a sub genre that due to it's infinite regional variations, cannot even be considered a musical style and yet we have an album that is described as pure Kraut or Totally Kraut. Impossible to define the Krautrock critter really but this at least gives you the lineage: A movement of experimental, electronic and psychedelic bands/artists in Germany, during the late 1960's i.e. more an attitude than an audible characteristic. I've only heard two Faust albums but cannot discern a single morsel of that flavour (or even the Cologne, Berlin or Munich schools) anywhere on Untitled (and yes I've listened to the whole album) I quite liked Dalek but they have no place here IMO. At this rate we will have bands suggested for Kraut who have merely name-dropped Can, Amon Dull, Faust, Floh de Cologne et al in an interview. Prog has always struck me as the healthy antithesis of the 'terminally right on' mindset. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 18:59
I hear the electronic aspect of krautrock all through it. 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 19:28
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 19:32
------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 19:41
He does namedrop Kant :P |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 19:54
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2porg4u ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 20:49
I don't understand, is this your password to the Ian Penman shrine website? -------------
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 27 2011 at 00:36
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Been listening to 'Abscence' Public Enemy/Wu Tang Clan meets Sonic Youth in one of their kraut-y mindsets? It prolly won't happen. Still, thanks for the tip  |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: November 27 2011 at 00:47
It's what I say to girls so they'll like me. I unfortunately don't know who Ian Penman is. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 27 2011 at 01:03
I think for the purposes of evaluation Untitled is the album to look at |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 27 2011 at 01:30
He was/is a deaf and illiterate music journalist who used to work for NME and the Wire. -------------
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: November 27 2011 at 05:29
inbetween hardcore songs with harsh vocals, they have some fully rap tunes. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: November 27 2011 at 20:04
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At first I was like this meybe for Prog Electronic. But they really dont sound much Progressive even to me. If experimental rap is know being considered though, I want Clouddead for Psych/Space Rock. Or meybe Avant-Garde. ^ there is a flute in this song, that makes it automatically Prog rite? ------------- 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 27 2011 at 21:02
| how about you put that in a different thread instead of this one |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: November 27 2011 at 22:08
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I'm not overly familiar with Dalek, but from what I've heard I support them being here in some form. The closest I've heard to rap anywhere on here is that one verse on Rush's "roll the bones" |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 27 2011 at 22:28
You don't pull much, do you? ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: November 27 2011 at 23:15
Not since high school  ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: November 27 2011 at 23:21
This is not standard procedure. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 28 2011 at 17:02
Daevid Allen raps on the most recent GonG album, too |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: November 28 2011 at 17:48
That sure sounds embarrassing. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 28 2011 at 18:10
| It is. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 15:41
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bump Is this at least going to get directed to a subgenre team? |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 15:49
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I think your only hope is Philippe, first one right, down at the noisiest pit of PA. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 15:52
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I know what he's going to say, so I'm not going to bother asking him. Someone else can, if they wish, though. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 15:53
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 15:56
I'll notify the experimental hip-hop team. 
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 20:38
Who wants standard procedure? -------------
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 20:58
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Any word on this? Idea? ... ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 21:05
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^It's not going to happen. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 21:27
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Bah. Whatevs. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 01:08
You mean it won't be suggested for Kraut-hop or was it rejected? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 01:30
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Firstly: If the only reason for suggesting Krautrock is a collaboration with Faust that's already listed here, then I don't see the point since that album would not be moved if they were added and would remain listed as a Faust album.
Secondly: This band automatically comes under the http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942760#3942760" rel="nofollow - Controversial Band Policy
Thirdly: The Krautrock team does not have enough members to evaluate a Controversial Band and the evaluation would be put on hold until the KR team achieved sufficient membership.
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Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 01:46
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Ha, Colin, you've got balls for doing this, I'll give you that. I honestly wanted to suggest them for krautrock after I heard the untitled, but I just didn't have the guts to. -------------  
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 12:24
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Untitled for top Kraut album. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 16:44
No, Untitled was the main reason for suggesting them actually. As for the other thing, I think that's a bit silly given the subgenre doesn't ever take new members and half the team only cares about audio equipment
He means he doesn't think Philippe would agree so he's not even going to bother. |