Most difficult album to listen to
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Topic: Most difficult album to listen to
Posted By: The Minstrel
Subject: Most difficult album to listen to
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 20:30
What album is the hardest for you to listen to, not because it is bad but because the music is overly bizarre or complex. I would definetly have to say some Zappa and Beefheart but the one band that I found the hardest to listen to was Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. Not really prog, but there is also a Lou Reed album of just distortion which I found painful to listen to.
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 20:43
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 20:45
Most anything with Mike Patton. Particularly Mr. Bungle.
Even Fantomas is even easier to listen to than Mr. Bungle.
crazy. just nuts.
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Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 20:55
Freddie Hubbard Experimental album called Song of Songmy
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Posted By: frippertronik
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 21:20
islands - KC, this album is very difficult to listen but is one of my favourites
and everything of focus
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 22:01
Pat Metheny, Greg Bendian, Paul Wertico, Derek Bailey - The Sign of 4
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Posted By: justin
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 22:35
for some reason i am having trouble getting into spocks beard - beware of darkness...
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Posted By: Winterfamily
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 22:37
John Coltrane - "Ascension"
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 00:15
Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 00:22
That Klaus Schulze kind of electronic droning for minutes on end crap. I don't care how "atmospheric" it is.
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 00:32
King Crimson - Earthbound
Not because of the music as such but because of the poor recording quality reminiscent of not so good bootlegs. Very grating on the ears
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Posted By: CaincelaOreinim
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 00:59
Feel like I'm a broken record lately...but a lot of the "RIO" genre bands are "hard to listen to." Thinking Plague, 5uus, U Totem, Henry Cow, and The Art Bears come to mind.
If you want specifics Thinking Plague's latest I remember buying about a year ago and was totally spacing out listening to it...I've become more accustomed to their music since so it shouldn't be as "bad" as last time...but there's my recommendation.
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Posted By: Lateralus_64
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:06
The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:14
Lateralus_64 wrote:
The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute |
Oh Yes - much worse than KC's Earthbound and that is saying something!!!
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:15
i once did some scientific research for a project, my discovery?, pink floyd's the final cut is phisicaly impossible for any creature to listen to in its entirety....scientific fact.
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:19
boo boo wrote:
i once did some scientific research for a project, my discovery?, pink floyd's the final cut is phisicaly impossible for any creature to listen to in its entirety....scientific fact. |
^ Yep agreed - another real baddie.
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Posted By: Shaman
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:20
The last album from Black Eyed Peas
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:21
Captian Beefheart- Trout Mask Repilca
O boy
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Posted By: Arteum
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:26
boo boo wrote:
i once did some scientific research for a project, my
discovery?, pink floyd's the final cut is phisicaly impossible for any
creature to listen to in its entirety....scientific fact. |
"The Final Cut" is one of the most enjoyable PINK FLOYD albums for me.
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Posted By: Arteum
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:34
Arsillus wrote:
Pretty much all Magma. |
MAGMA is delicious! There was not a single MAGMA album so far that has
not truly impressed me! I find all Canterbury/RIO hard to listen to ...
and yes ... Klaus Schulze and his followers -- especially when the
music is just not going anywhere.
Oh, and I have a special dislike for "Scenes from Memory ..." I can't
listen to it at all -- I simply get disgusted with the lyrics and stop the sound. Although
all the rest of DT albums are highly enjoyable. Even "Train of Thought".
And then I find it hard to listen to Savior Machine (not that I am
going to listen to it for the second time): I despise religion and the
band is a bunch of Christian fanatics praising Mr Jesus in their songs
... Besides, their music is really dull -- I would fall asleep
listening to them if their constant mentioning of the J. word did not
wake me up from my doze every couple of minutes.
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Posted By: Single Coil
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:36
I Love The Mars Volta, but something about them just wears me out after 30 minutes. I end up knowing the first half of their CDs really well !
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Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:36
Some Can stuff are pretty hard to listen to.
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Posted By: Arteum
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:42
Radiohead! Of course, I cannot stand Radiohead! You think I am just a
very irritable person ... but I am usually very quiet and tolerating ...
But Radiohead is killing me with its whining. I find it impossible to
listen to for more than 5 minutes.
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Posted By: WillieThePimp
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:50
Comus
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 02:02
Limbus 4 - Mandalas.
Not that I consider it to be a masterpiece; my personal opinion is it is rather amateurish; there is one moment where suddenly a whining flute begins which always makes me fall off the chair laughing.
Side 3 and 4 of "Concerts" by Henry Cow.
Nothing else comes to my mind, though I have a lot of VERY bizarre stuff, but somehow I can listen to it without any problems. The records of Anima or "Beziehungen" by Annexus Quam are definitely extremely bizarre, but I can listen to them quite easily.
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 02:03
Man With Hat wrote:
Captian Beefheart- Trout Mask Repilca
O boy
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not a very accesible album, but i personaly thought it was brillant.
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 02:09
Arteum wrote:
"The Final Cut" is one of the most enjoyable PINK FLOYD albums for me. |
i didnt like it, but i guess one persons trash is another persons treasure...to each his own.
Artuem wrote:
Radiohead! Of course, I cannot stand Radiohead! You think I am just a very irritable person ... but I am usually very quiet and tolerating ... But Radiohead is killing me with its whining. I find it impossible to listen to for more than 5 minutes. |
i love radiohead...but its all opinion, to each his own.
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Posted By: Dreadful
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 02:11
Meshuggah minus "future breed machine" and a few other tracks from DEI are pretty hard to listen to. At least for me. Whie they have alot of time changes, I think they could be a sh*tload more creative with their writing and their riffs. Everyone in that band pretty much is the drummer's bitch. They need some serious diversity and variation, not some some serious repetition in the songwriting and riffs.
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 03:26
GoldenSpiral wrote:
Most anything with Mike Patton. Particularly Mr. Bungle. Even Fantomas is even easier to listen to than Mr. Bungle. crazy. just nuts. |
Total agreement on Mr Bungle there.
As far as lps that are hard to sit through in their entirety, I would say Tales of Topographic Oceans. That one is just too long and the music isn't interesting enough to keep the listener's attention.
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Posted By: jonirob
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 03:44
Incoherence: Peter Hammill
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Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 04:18
Here is my review of one of my hardest listening experiences.
FAUST The Faust Tapes
Review (Permanent link) by Sead S. Fetahagic @ 10:25:37 AM EST, 6/28/2005
PROG REVIEWER
2 stars — "The Faust Tapes" is even more difficult to rate because it was and still is for me one of the hardest listening experiences. Probably THE hardest. The original vinyl record sleeve was a ordinary plastic bag depicting a saturated green photo of a ugly idiot-looking male face shouting (or yawning) with red eyes, perfectly matching the craziness of the sound contained therein. This is basically a pastiche of sounds and electronic noise, with one exceptional moment - "Flashback Caruso", which is quite listenable. The rest is a pure headache. As mad as it may sound, this album of nonsense has a sort of appeal and attraction, but you must be a bit deranged (like myself, ha, ha) to like it. Minimum 10 years of prog listening experience is prerequisite! Approach with extreme caution! Although I give only 2 stars, it is basically a category of its own and very much - unrateable (if this is a correct English).
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 04:20
There are several aspects to this topic (as to anything in this world, by the way).
If talking about complexity, I find Art Zoyd and many other RIO bands to be very complex and difficult listening. However Art Zoyd are one of my favorite bands (except for their latest works, especially "Metropolis", which is just noise lasting 2 and a half hours). Same goes to Russian composer Alfred Schnitke - brilliant, but so so difficult.
If talking about bizzare music - I find some of Zappa's works very difficult, also many of Kraut rock bands etc
If talking about other difficulties - I can mention highly estimable and loveable double albums by Flower Kings. Same goes to Neal Morse's "Testimony", which I consider one of the best albums of last year, however I find it difficult to listen from start to end in one go.
And on the last degree of difficulty to listen is music which I just do not like - hunreds of bands and albums, and I would not waste your time to name any of them here.
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Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 04:30
Lou Reed - Metal Machine Music.
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Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 05:29
OOF. Yah, many of mine have been mentioned.
- Any electronic music where the music just doesn't go anywhere or takes 20 minutes to change patterns...
- Kroutrock like Can - Not totally bad (and they have a few good songs) but I usually can't listen to it for more than 5 or 10 minutes before I need something with a normal melody to it.
- Radiohead - Bleh. Just noise to me from OK Computer on...
- Mr. Bungle - YIKES!!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 05:33
Dark Side Of The Moon,I generally fall asleep half way through.
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 05:37
richardh wrote:
Dark Side Of The Moon,I generally fall asleep half way through. |
i seriously hope you are kidding.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 05:42
boo boo wrote:
richardh wrote:
Dark Side Of The Moon,I generally fall asleep half way through. |
i seriously hope you are kidding.
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Nope,although I like some of the songs, 'Time' in particular ,the overall effect of the album is soporific to me.
BTW Love the avatar..The Office is one of my all time favourite programmes
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 05:52
richardh wrote:
boo boo wrote:
richardh wrote:
Dark Side Of The Moon,I generally fall asleep half way through. |
i seriously hope you are kidding.
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Nope,although I like some of the songs, 'Time' in particular ,the overall effect of the album is soporific to me.
BTW Love the avatar..The Office is one of my all time favourite programmes
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thanks, well to each his own.
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 06:12
As someone who has no trouble at all listening to extreme Krautrock,
RIO, Mr Bungle etc it may be surprising to find that I just can't
stomach Captain Beefheart's "Trout Mask Replica". I've tried and tried
to enjoy that album (I love several of his others, including parts of
"Lick My Decals..." but for some reason TMR just sounds awful to me.
Also, I find absolutely nothing to enjoy in most of Soft Machine's
"Third" other than the wonderful Robert Wyatt's "Moon In June".
Generally dissonance, complexity and the downright bizarre don't fase me, but there are exceptions to every rule, of course
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 06:47
If you have the fortune to visit the Freeman brothers Ultima Thule
specialist record shop in Leicester (literally next to the railway
station in Conduit Street), you'll discover all the CDs in stock are
represented in the display rack as their insert Scotch-taped in a clear
plastic envelope. Alan Freeman, almosts always includes a terse one or
two liner on a card about what the band sounds like (but you have
to know the sound of most leading bands in most of progs
sub-categories, to make sense of make a more obscure band sounds like,
and what the album is about - and then many of these descriptions have
lead to vigourous debate.
The Repertoise issue of Spooky Tooth/Pierre Henry's Ceremony
was tagged with "probably the most difficult prog album to listen to".
However, it is clear from the range of music heard loudly from the shop
excellent hifi system, that 'difficult music' is a matter of
taste/opinion. 'Challenging' is a slightly better term - one I would
use most recently with God Speed You Black Emperor and amongst my earliest albums, Tony Williams' Lifetime's Turn It Over. (BTW the use of the word 'hate' in context of bands or their albums, has me turning off and ignoring those threads).
I can understand Machine's Third being a challenge, but I supposed I had the advantage of hearing Machine on Peel's radio show in the 60's , discovering the Probe Records imports, and getting into Machine with their first and Volume 2 albums. So I was fairly well prepared for the step change from Volume 2 to Third - a couple of listens had me bedded in and then hooked.
TP I suggest you take a decco at Machine's Backwards
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000065UKG/qid=11 20300794/sr=1-11/ref=sr_1_2_11/026-0346423-6095648
which finishes with the demo Robert Wyatt put together in NYC of Moon In June
- it is beautiful piece of remastering and disc clean up from an
acetate "found in a cupboard". Wyatt for at least the first 9 minutes
plays everything, and Hopper and Ratledge are only found at the end.
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Posted By: MorgothSunshine
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 07:16
Weather Report - I sing the body electric
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Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 07:16
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 08:06
Seyo wrote:
Here is my review of one of my hardest listening experiences.
FAUST The Faust Tapes Review (Permanent link) by Sead S. Fetahagic @ 10:25:37 AM EST, 6/28/2005 PROG REVIEWER 2 stars — "The Faust Tapes" is even more difficult to rate because it was and still is for me one of the hardest listening experiences. Probably THE hardest. The original vinyl record sleeve was a ordinary plastic bag depicting a saturated green photo of a ugly idiot-looking male face shouting (or yawning) with red eyes, perfectly matching the craziness of the sound contained therein. This is basically a pastiche of sounds and electronic noise, with one exceptional moment - "Flashback Caruso", which is quite listenable. The rest is a pure headache. As mad as it may sound, this album of nonsense has a sort of appeal and attraction, but you must be a bit deranged (like myself, ha, ha) to like it. Minimum 10 years of prog listening experience is prerequisite! Approach with extreme caution! Although I give only 2 stars, it is basically a category of its own and very much - unrateable (if this is a correct English). |
Loved that album when I first heared it! Have to get it again!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 08:08
justin wrote:
for some reason i am having trouble getting into spocks beard - beware of darkness... |
"But its not overly bizarre or complex" is it! And the same goes for Dark Side Of The Moon Richard Aitch!
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Posted By: Amarok
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 08:21
Tangerine Dream: Zeit (Largo in 4 Movements)
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Posted By: radiognome3
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 09:25
The Residents - Meet The Residents (I have no problem with the rest of their output)
(And I will second Coltrane's Ascension)
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 09:53
In addition to most Krautrock and some experimental stuff (Henry Cow et al), I have always found it hard to listen to most of VDGG. It's not that I don't like it or respect it - I do, immensely - but I find it hard to take Peter Hamill's "on-the-sleeve" angst-ridden delivery (which I also very much admire and respect).
I also could not "get" Ozric Tentacles.
Peace.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:04
boo boo wrote:
Man With Hat wrote:
Captian Beefheart- Trout Mask Repilca
O boy
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not a very accesible album, but i personaly thought it was brillant.
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O i like it...but it just a bizarre mindf*uck of an album.
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Posted By: TLZ*
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:13
Lateralus_64 wrote:
The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute
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I still haven't been able to really enjoy it... I got better last time though, gotta listen some more to that one.
Another suggestion: Spiral Architect - A Sceptic's Universe. Fusion-metal, intense and complex stuff. I was NOT used to this kind of music and I seriously got a headache the first time I heard it, and it took ALL my attention, it was simply not possible to concentrate on something else when I listened to it. Now it's one of my all-time favorite records, but I'm able to concentrate on other stuff as well now.. but still it's usually draining some of my mind.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:27
Here's a real hard one:
Power Of Omens - Rooms Of Anguish.
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Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 13:22
it took quite long to get used to captain beefheart's music and his strange vovals....but now i love most of his records.
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Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 13:23
vocals even
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 13:25
His vovals are quite strange too, to be fair Hammill... I heard he
keept them in plastic bags and fed them on pomegranates.
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Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 13:34
Meshuggah(most of their stuff).
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Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 13:43
Amon Duul II- Dance of lemmings
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 13:48
Mike Patton - Adult Themes for Voice... sick...
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Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 13:54
felixxx wrote:
Amon Duul II- Dance of lemmings
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And almost everything else from them and krautrock generaly
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 13:56
valravennz wrote:
boo boo wrote:
i once did some scientific research for a project, my discovery?, pink floyd's the final cut is phisicaly impossible for any creature to listen to in its entirety....scientific fact. |
^ Yep agreed - another real baddie.
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Actually, I have listened to it quite a bit in it's entirety and found great enjoyment from it. But perhaps I don't qualify as a creature.
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Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 13:56
-Any album of the Velvet Underground.
-Faust`s "So Far".
-Hawkwind`s "Space Ritual"
-Van der Graaf Generator`s "Still".
-King Crimson`s "Beat".
-A whole album by Celine Dion (a very good singer, but too much "sugar" and "soft" for my taste).
-Peter Gabriel`s "Up" and "Us".
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 14:12
I bought Can's Tago mago few weeks ago and I'm still did not finish to understand the album but I do'nt find it so hard to listen. Actually Aphrodita's child's 666 is harder and stranger.
The soft machine volumes 1 & 2 are quite bizzare and not easy listening at all.
But the crown must go to Pink Floyd's Ummagumma. This is realy tough IMO !
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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 15:30
GoldenSpiral wrote:
Most anything with Mike Patton. Particularly Mr. Bungle.
Even Fantomas is even easier to listen to than Mr. Bungle.
crazy. just nuts.
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Mr. Bungle (the album) and California are slightly more accessible, but Disco Volante is just impossible for me to get into.
Also, most post-rock, particluarly GYBE!, is difficult to get into.
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Posted By: Odd24
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 16:09
I can not mention entire prog albums which I find difficult to get into until now.
When it comes down to songs on prog albums, I can only mention this: I was amazed when I heard "Experience" by Gentle Giant for the first time on this site so I mailed a friend of mine. But I guess that was too odd for my friend (he had no problems with the second part of the song...). I think I'm not gonna mail him again to listen to "So sincere" which is even more odd...
There are only some fragments in Tocatta (ELP) and the first 3 minutes of Close to the edge (Yes) I wished they had done differently. I will forgive them for that because the rest is so superb!!!
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Posted By: bamba
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 20:01
Some Magma and Faust stuff Though they are very good bands
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Posted By: Carl floyd fan
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 20:36
Arsillus wrote:
Pretty much all Magma.
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agreed, just can't listen to them
zao as well, but the female vocals SUCK too.
Henry cow takes a while to get use to.
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Posted By: Astaroth
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 21:37
Porcupine Tree - Voyage 34 (or something like that) , both albums
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 08:53
Trout Mask Replica. Incredible. And very difficult to listen to.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 08:56
Astaroth wrote:
Porcupine Tree - Voyage 34 (or something like that) , both albums
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This is the easiest of all prog albums, at least I don't know any easier album. What's difficult about it?
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Posted By: bmorgan
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 09:03
Pat Metheny - Zero Tolerance for Silence
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Posted By: Rhayader
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 09:35
Pink Floyd's The Wall.
If you'll excuse me, I need to hide behind these sandbags....
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Rush - Losing It
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Posted By: laztraz
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 09:53
anything by most artists that appear in the top 10 these days
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 11:24
Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
Pink Floyd - Ummagumma (Studio sides)
Some VDGG stuff
Frank Zappa - Joe's Garage (weird one, all from country to complex jazz-rock)
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Posted By: proger
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 11:47
all king crimson 73-75 era is very hard to listem sometimes
VDGG had their avangard music...
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Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 12:53
Personally, I find "difficult" music (Henry Cow, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum,
Comus, Velvet Underground, experimental Krautrock et al) easy to listen
to, as it holds my attention.
It's the most mainstream, melodic neoprogressive that I find more of a
trial, especially when these albums are long (and they usually seem to
be). MAGENTA's "Revolutions" is a prime case in point - it's pleasant and
inoffensive enough, but why did a band signally lacking any original ideas
or an identifiable sound of their own decide to debut with a 90 minute
double album filled with 20 minute conceptual suites? Likewise, I found
KARNATAKA's live double hard to sit through, as the whole thing is so
mellifluous and listless.
Another good example is the Italian band PROWLERS. They're actually an
above-average neoprog outfit, with a pleasing sound hinting at classic
Renaissance as well as Italian seventies stuff like APOTEOSI and SAINT
JUST, but all three of their albums would be a lot more enjoyable if they
were shorter and more tightly edited (one runs for two hours!).
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 15:15
Arsillus wrote:
Pretty much all Magma.
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It was an immediate likeable affair for me really. I was a bit weary at first seing so many people rambling about how difficult it was to get into.
So when I downloaded it, I didn't have high hopes since basically I prefer the 'simple' music of neo-prog bands. but once I listend to the three available downloads from this site, it was practicaly love at first listen.
to answer the question.
Leg end from Henry Cow is indeed a difficult listen, but they promised me it will be rewarding once you got through it, so I'll try again some more.
Also Union from Yes, I can't listen to it, without boring myself to tears (sorry fans of Union)
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 15:16
Rhayader wrote:
Pink Floyd's The Wall.
If you'll excuse me, I need to hide behind these sandbags....
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I agree, it might not be the world's most unlistenably Progressive Rock album, but it is definitely not easy to listen to. It at times just bores me to death.
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Posted By: Violenza
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 15:54
I usually struggle trying to get though any Pink Floyd album. I just don't get it.
And oddly enough, like Politician, I don't find most of the albums listed here difficult at all.
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Posted By: nacho
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 16:10
Rhayader wrote:
Pink Floyd's The Wall.
If you'll excuse me, I need to hide behind these sandbags....
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No need to hide. Look, if you really want to be lapidated you have to say this:
Sorry, mates, but I really can't get into Mariah Carey's work. Way too difficult for me. Oh, and I also tried Spice Girls but couldn't get to the end of any of their albums...
Now I see it coming
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Posted By: AbsentEnemy
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 16:56
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity
I really love their whole insanely technical hardcore sound but it can only be taken in small dosages.
Or atleast on this album. Miss Machine is a little more diverse.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:01
AbsentEnemy wrote:
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity
I really love their whole insanely technical hardcore sound but it can only be taken in small dosages. Or atleast on this album. Miss Machine is a little more diverse.
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I second that - Calculating Infinity is a tough one.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:15
At the moment most of the music that consensus says is "difficult" is totally impenetrable to me.However this site is gradually refining and re-defining my tastes !
I am at a stage where I find GG and VDGG "difficult" and Magma "crap" (that's not to say they that are,just that I find them totally dissonant )
However 12 months ago GG and VDGG were at the "crap" stage so I am making progress!
In 6 months time I expect to be liking GG,appreciating VDGG and finding Magma difficult.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:25
Tony R wrote:
At the moment most of the music that consensus says is "difficult" is totally impenetrable to me.However this site is gradually refining and re-defining my tastes !
I am at a stage where I find GG and VDGG "difficult" and Magma "crap" (that's not to say they that are,just that I find them totally dissonant )
However 12 months ago GG and VDGG were at the "crap" stage so I am making progress!
In 6 months time I expect to be liking GG,appreciating VDGG and finding Magma difficult.
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Did you try a little Mr. Bungle, Fantomas or Dillinger Escape Plan? Just for variety ...
BTW: Love your Monty Python signature! It really describes forum discussions quite accurately.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:31
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Tony R wrote:
At the moment most of the music that consensus says is "difficult" is totally impenetrable to me.However this site is gradually refining and re-defining my tastes !
I am at a stage where I find GG and VDGG "difficult" and Magma "crap" (that's not to say they that are,just that I find them totally dissonant )
However 12 months ago GG and VDGG were at the "crap" stage so I am making progress!
In 6 months time I expect to be liking GG,appreciating VDGG and finding Magma difficult.
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Did you try a little Mr. Bungle, Fantomas or Dillinger Escape Plan? Just for variety ...
Sure did,ouch,arggh,ouch!
BTW: Love your Monty Python signature! It really describes forum discussions quite accurately.
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That is totally unfair!!! on the other forum members-it describes my forum discussions very accurately!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:33
Tony R wrote:
That is totally unfair!!! on the other forum members-it describes my forum discussions very accurately!
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No it isn't.
Edit: So you liked none of them (Bungle, Fantomas, Dillinger)?
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:46
Fantomas:I have a copy of The Director's Cut,and it's not received my customary "three spin" evaluation as 2 were quite enough for one lifetime....
Like I said,I'm still at the stage where GG are "difficult" to me.Given 5 years (to listen,not confinement) I might just grow into the more esoteric bands.....
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:57
Tony R wrote:
Fantomas:I have a copy of The Director's Cut,and it's not received my customary "three spin" evaluation as 2 were quite enough for one lifetime....
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That album took more than 10 spins for me to reach the "love it!" status. It's their most difficult album (Dave Lombardo said that this one was the hardest one to play), and if you listen closely, you'll notice lots of little gimmicks happening ... if you can bear the noise, that is.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:01
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Tony R wrote:
Fantomas:I have a copy of The Director's Cut,and it's not received my customary "three spin" evaluation as 2 were quite enough for one lifetime....
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That album took more than 10 spins for me to reach the "love it!" status. It's their most difficult album (Dave Lombardo said that this one was the hardest one to play), and if you listen closely, you'll notice lots of little gimmicks happening ... if you can bear the noise, that is.
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Mike,give me your home address and I'll send you my eardrums for repair....
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Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:15
Ive heard pretty much everything listed (not sleepytime gorilla museum however) and dont find most of it difficult. Love fantomas, bungle, henry cow, all of it (I have listened to 'The Final Cut' all the way through once, and wont do so again untill I get the surrond sound version... and surrond sound... its a toughy ). But the most unlistenable album ever made is not progressive. Its Tom Waits' "Franks Wild Years", easily a 5/5 by the way, the end of the trilogy and deals with broken dreams lost love insanity and suicide. The emotional power is unbelieveable, and the arrangements are brilliant. I honestly go from being sick to my stomach to nearly crying while listening to the album, terrible experiance, and quite possibly the most artistic peice of music ive ever heard.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:18
Hangedman:
If you like Franks Wild Years, do you know The Black Rider, too? I love that album ... but the vocals can make people mad (it get's everyone out of the room quickly when I play it at work).
BTW: Does anyone know Mahogany Songspiel?
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Posted By: Third Eye
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:28
Speaking of prog bands: "Invisible Touch" by Genesis is of course the most difficult. It's impossible to get through it!
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Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:34
How about everything from Ozric Tentacles ... which I don't really like much.
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Posted By: Gluonio
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:52
Soft Machine was a quite difficult one for me.But I like them now!
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Posted By: rcdupre
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 14:43
Captian Beefheart- Trout Mask Repilca
Comus - First Utterance
all Amon Duul
Zappa - Uncle Meat
Harvester
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Posted By: The Owl
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 16:04
Present/Univers Zero: BLOODY BRILLIANT but very hard to digest in large doses for me.
Henry Cow: It's Dagmar's voice that keeps me from enjoying them as much as I'd like to.
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Posted By: Progzilla
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 16:11
I would have to say Spastic Ink - Inc compatible:
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_C D.asp?cd_id=5984
There's so much happening, and so fast! Delightful, a must for metal proggers.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 16:15
I'm gradually compiling a CD called "Certif1ed Unlistenable"
It is VERY challenging.........
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Posted By: Megamoss
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 16:15
"Most anything with Mike Patton. Particularly Mr. Bungle. Even Fantomas is even easier to listen to than Mr. Bungle. crazy. just nuts"
I disagree. I can always find method in the madness with Mr Bungle. Disco Volante is a bit rough for first time listeners but it shines in the end.
I'll have to put a vote in for Trout Mask Replica. Breathtaking Nonsense mixed with purposeful musical incompetance.
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 16:21
Arsillus wrote:
Pretty much all Magma.
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It is difficult to the listen to Magma. I love the music that they make, it's just the vocals really put me off.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 16:25
The Owl wrote:
Present/Univers Zero: BLOODY BRILLIANT but very hard to digest in large doses for me.
Henry Cow: It's Dagmar's voice that keeps me from enjoying them as much as I'd like to.
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I love the voice of Dagmar Krause, especially on some of the records of
the Art Bears. Just listen to how wonderfully she sings the Brecht poem
"On Sucide" on "Hopes and Fears" by the Art Bears (an album that should
be rated much higher than it actually is).
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Posted By: Baazetu
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 16:27
Thing Fish and Playground Psychotics by Frank Zappa
Invisible Connections and Beauborg by Vangelis
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I soak your temper warm, I am the incubus...
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 16:29
Henry Cow - Western Culture
Where it comes to Henry Cow, I will keep trying. There's something very attractive in the music so that's why I don't give up
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