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Topic: Playing shows with no drummer?
Posted By: GalacticDeath
Subject: Playing shows with no drummer?
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 10:02
So my drummer recently left the band but me and my bassist are really itching to play some shows.
What are your opinions? Should we go for it?
 
We would have to use programmed drums when we play but I've spent a lot of time making the drums sound as real and expressive as I could. At this point it seems like our only option if we want to play shows because there aren't very many drummers around here. However, I've never seen a guitarist and bassist play shows with programed drums before, so I'm still a little hesitant.
 
What do you guys think?
 
Also, we play intrumental prog if that makes a difference.



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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 10:06
Go "unplugged" so to speak. Smile

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Posted By: GalacticDeath
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 10:51
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Go "unplugged" so to speak. Smile
 
Yeah we thought about that too, but not sure how we would pull that off in bigger venues. Also, we don't have very good acoustic instruments. :(
So our best option I think would be programed drums.


Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 11:04
There's nothing wrong with programmed drums as long as you don't try to make them sound like real drums.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 11:18
There's nothing wrong with programmed drums sounding like real drums.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 11:18
Do either of you play drums?

I'm thinking backing tape here.....


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Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 12:14
The only logical solution here is to copy yourself and make your copy the new drummer.


Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 12:18
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

There's nothing wrong with programmed drums sounding like real drums.
But it does result in an inevitable and unwanted estrangement effect.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 12:19
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

There's nothing wrong with programmed drums sounding like real drums.
But it does result in an inevitable and unwanted estrangement effect.

For you maybe.LOL


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 12:20
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

There's nothing wrong with programmed drums sounding like real drums.
But it does result in an inevitable and unwanted estrangement effect.

For you maybe.LOL
Do you find it completely normal to hear drums being played when there are none to be seen?


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 12:25
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

There's nothing wrong with programmed drums sounding like real drums.
But it does result in an inevitable and unwanted estrangement effect.

For you maybe.LOL
Do you find it completely normal to hear drums being played when there are none to be seen?

Every time I listen to my stereo.Wink

But I see what you mean.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 12:31

If playing to a backing tape (tape being the operative word - CDR is not recommended in a live situation - find an old DAT machine or use a disc-based DAW as they are far more reliable in that environment), ear pieces are a good idea as the playback through the stage monitors cannot be counted on, especially if you are used to playing with a loud live drummer (anyone know where the volume control is on a drum kit?).

 
But yeah, go for it - playing without a drummer is better than not playing at all.
 


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Posted By: GalacticDeath
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 15:01
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

There's nothing wrong with programmed drums as long as you don't try to make them sound like real drums.
Hmm I think you're on to something there. If the drums sound too crazy and busy than it might be a little weird. I'll try to tone it down a notch.


Posted By: GalacticDeath
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 15:04
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Do either of you play drums?

I'm thinking backing tape here.....
I play but not well enough to play the parts unfortunately. Also, we don't have proper mics to record drums.


Posted By: GalacticDeath
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 15:04
Originally posted by Atoms Atoms wrote:

The only logical solution here is to copy yourself and make your copy the new drummer.
haha yeah that could work lol


Posted By: GalacticDeath
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 15:11
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

If playing to a backing tape (tape being the operative word - CDR is not recommended in a live situation - find an old DAT machine or use a disc-based DAW as they are far more reliable in that environment), ear pieces are a good idea as the playback through the stage monitors cannot be counted on, especially if you are used to playing with a loud live drummer (anyone know where the volume control is on a drum kit?).

 
But yeah, go for it - playing without a drummer is better than not playing at all.
 
Thanks for the advice! So you think we should play the drum track directly from the DAW? I was thinking about just rendering it to wav or mp3 and playing it through itunes or another media player. Your way makes more sense though.


Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 15:58
4 posts in a row, eeek


How big is the town you're in? It's not really hard to find a nice drummer. 


And Dean's advice is good advice.


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Posted By: GalacticDeath
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 16:30
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

4 posts in a row, eeek


How big is the town you're in? It's not really hard to find a nice drummer. 


And Dean's advice is good advice.
We've actually been looking for several months now and we've had no luck. The music scene here isn't really all that big. We have auditioned a few drummers but none of them fit the bill. Mostly because they couldn't keep up with the odd time signatures and tempo changes.
 
And yeah I  wasn't sure how to put multiple quotes under one post, sorry about that haha


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 16:45
Hhhmm ok, I was just about to ask you if you had lots of odd timesigs and the works, or else I´d highly recommend using a sequencer. Makes the guitar and bass seem all the more prominent and otherworldly, and personally I think it is used far too seldomly these days, but it sounds pretty unrealistic seeing what you just wrote.
The best sort of sampled drums out there - I find to be of a more percussive nature, but again it all boils down to what kind of feel you want to add to the music.


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 12 2011 at 13:34
If you aren't opposed to, say, playing a slowed-down cleaned-up version of your music, it can be cool to put a wooden box upside down with a mic under it and step on it


Posted By: Philamelian
Date Posted: November 18 2011 at 10:38
Go with a drum software, like toontrack's stuff or bfd'... I am not sure if this suits your music or not but mixing programmed acoustic drums with lots of electronic drums and fills pushes the sound a bit to the electronic side. This gives a better feeling about the lack of drummer on the stage as there is lots of other rhytmical elements supporting your music.


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