But he has a point - he is enjoying the music he does now so why stop to make a flawed tour that people have been wanting for so long?

Supper's Ready would be cool to hear on his tour though!

I like PG's reply to this remark :

 

PG : I know. It's amazing. They're probably making more money from it then we did at the time.

The gig itself was magical, but only from a nostalgia point of view. The band themselves said it was not good musically, and that is why it has never been released officially, even though it would have sold by the truckload.

The time is past. Let's remember a great band in their time, and look forward to new things.

He is a perfectionist, as are the others.....So you can read he is not gonna do anything that does not meet his expectations as a group, it really sounds like he wants to perform some of the songs live.

I also think he wants to do something with The Lamb....apperantly there is no film so it could be a movie or a tour around The Lamb.

 

At the end of the day they are like athletes, they all want to end their careers on a high note, get that last TD, hit that last HR and kick that last goal!

 

I'm not holding my breath but I have hope.

In all honesty, I don't have much respect for him.  How he didn't show up to the Genesis rock hall of fame induction because he was rehearsing for his personal tour.  All his fans and the other members of the band would love to have a reunion tour, but Peter's only reason for not doing it is "meh... I don't really feel like it".  He seems to think that he's the only person in the world.

 

I think it's a dead horse ... I keep thinking that all we're trying to do is to re-live a moment from yesteryear, and I'm not sure it can be done. If they did it and they had new material for an hour, it would be worth it, but watch everyone here immediately say that it is not as good as something else, or say that it sounds terribly outdated and boring because it does not have the edge of the music these days. Something like that ...

 

In my book, Phil burned himself out with too much work and touring ... and is paying the price for it, and is the main reason why he is "retired". Steve Hackett is all over the place with everyone and the kitchen sink. Peter is on his own trip. Mike, who knows ... maybe another evening with another mechanic! ... and Tony ... comes off like another lazy person that does not do anything except a Genesis song once every month!

 

These guys have toured enough and burned themselves up enough. So for them to spend the rest of their time resting and doing something else is just fine with me. We all age, and have to slow down, except that a rock audience does not like to believe that their heroes should die and go to PA heaven!

 

Let it go!

 

There are others out there just as good and deserving that you are not listening to.

Maybe in a few years someone will make a computer-generated reunion

 

But maybe we are listening and its no good......ever thought of that!

In the very early days of his solo career, i.e. Car & Scratch, Gabriel did actually perform Genesis material, predominantly from The Lamb. This stopped around the time of the third album - he wanted to carve out an identity on his own.

Rather ironically, the punk movement really warmed to Gabriel, and Rael was seen as one of their own.

 

I've seen Gabriel 6 times and never seen him do a genesis song, not that it bothered me.  my first show was security tour so he'd stopped by then, which is consistant with what lazland steve, said.  I don't need a reunion, I feel lucky to have seen the shows I did and I just don't think it would be the same, gabriel era genesis is theatrical and I just don't see Gabriel going there again, you can't go back it time and I think Peter would recommend going to see the Musical Box if that's the kind of show you want

 

 

Not quite.

 

There are a few of my "old timers" that are worth seeing, because, for them, the music ... is all they know, live, and will die with it. If you see Neil Young today, you will see the same wild child that you saw 40 years ago, maybe with a guitar instead of a piano. If you get a chance to see Bob Dylan, it's worth it, because he is one of the great poets of the 20th century, and you should see him before he departs ... but seeing rock stars whose work and meaning is marginal at best, is sometimes futile and sad ... and not worth it.

 

I love Gong with all my heart and its folks ... but seeing them in concert trying to do Gong again, is one of the saddest things I have ever seen. I would rather see Daevid, or Gilly, or Bloomdido, by themselves, doing their own poetry and work, and see Daevid and Gilly for the great Beat Poets that they are, that this board and its members do not recognize, or understand.

 

It's sort of like seeing Chuck Berry do sweet little 16 when he's 80 ... when you see it, the first thing you gonna do is say ... yukkkk ... and then leave and say ... no, that was not good, that was sad ... and the youngsters all said ... that was pathetic. And I wouldn't want Chuck, or Peter, or Phil or anyone else, to not enjoy their time and space and the wonderful influence they offered many of us.

 

Now if you want to see Peter Hammill, or Roy Harper, or the real "pure poets", then they never age ... and tomorrow they will have another song, another poem ... but you have to be open to it ... and many of us are not ... because we want to listen to something that belongs to that time and place, with the socio-political relevance of those days ... that we refuse to let go, and want to commercialize ...

 

All of these bands are done.

 

It's a new day and time.

 

 

 

I would never ask, or want, PG to do something from Genesis.

 

I would rather bring him to my living room, turn on the midi and computer, setup the piano, and let him loose. If he wanted to play a guitar fine ... show me the "poetic side", the "poetic nature" ... of it all, where PG really comes from. THAT is priceless, and is the beauty that makes an artist. Doing something that has been done before is not on everyone's list, and all you are stating is that you want the ghost of Christmas past to come back and give you that present again ... and that time is long past and gone.

 

There are a lot of things I would love to see, or that I failed to see. I'm not bitter about them. I'm not sad about them.

 

Why?

 

Because the music, the life and the beauty is already living inside me, and I don't need to see it "alive", even when the person is 85, to tell me of its validity and its worth! ... it's like saying you have to see Beethoven, or Mozart, in order to appreciate it more ... and that is silly and then some.

 

And all it is showing is that our music appreciation, or art appreciation has not grown past the "fan" stage, into the "art" status ... because you still feel that you have to have that physical connection. C'mon ... isn't that a bit boring when you're still hoping to get that girl in high school that you did not get?

 

Weird ... I don't remember him doing any Genesis when I saw him with Random Hold, and that would be what ... the 1st and 2nd album?

Musical Box does a fantastic job with "The Lamb," PG could do worse.  It sounds like the rest of the band has moved on from the '70's catalog.  

 

I wish they'd move away from the idea of redoing the Lamb or having to do more by note renditions.....I wish they'd think of stretching things out and including what they've been working on.....maybe even some new music together.  New blood, indeed!

 

Actually, you rightly mentioned Hammill and it should be noted that the VdGG reunion has been pretty successful on all levels. No embarassment there (I've seen them eleven times since '05 and they've been strong every time).

 

The PG/Random Hold tour was for the third album. He probably didn't do any Genesis at that time. But for the first album tour he definitely did Back in NYC as an encore, and he did the Lamb Lies Down... as an encore with the second album tour.

 

That third album tour was interesting. David Rhodes played on PG's third album, but he was in opening band Random Hold on that tour and had to listen to John Ellis play his guitar parts every night in PG's band. Of course, Random Hold broke up soon after and Rhodes became a member of PG's band. Also around that time, John Ellis met Peter Hammill backstage at one of the PG concerts on that third album tour. Ellis had long been a Hammill fan and went on to record and tour quite a lot with Peter H after that meeting. And another connection... Peter Hammill produced the Random Hold album! Another connection still... both Ellis and Hammill were on PG's fourth album (Hammill sang backing vocals on Shock The Monkey, Family And The Fishing Net, and maybe Lay Your Hands On Me [can't remember])

And I think that it was successful, because PH and his work was never about the hits and the fame ... it was a bout the music, the lyrics and the work itself, and everyone of us that was lucky enough to catch him, knows that this is a special moment to catch a major poet at work, regardless of the fact that he is by himself or with his friends that we have become so fond of.

 

I have never looked at it all as "progressive", and have always thought of these folks as "artists" ... while it's hard for me to not consider ELP, or Genesis, or YES, by the monicker of "artist" ... too much pop music in there for me, this is the reason why I have always appreciated the bands that changed so much, that the majority of folks here on this board can't handle it!

 

It's the same thing with the krautrock thing. It changed so much and so hard and so different, that most can't handle or are capable of seeing why Wolf City, or Dance of the Lemmings, or Tago Mago are in many ways so much more progressive than almost all of the albums listed on the top ten in this board ... with one exception ... many of those fans have never sat and heard this other stuff to even make a decent comparison! ... They just voted for their favorite! 

  

And many of us had the option on that day and age to listen to it, and even then, in those days, I left all of these popular groups, because PH and VdGG was far superior, but they were also way too obstuse for most listeners and still are today ... all you have to do is check some of the fan mentality in some of these metal posts ... and Peter would have been way more "metal" than all of these 40 years ago ... but these folks never heard "Silent Corner and Empty Stage", and probably couldn't get past 5 minutes of that album!

 

Yep ... have ALL these albums and have the t-shirt, the experience, and the enjoyment of seeing something fabulous with great musicians. Some say that the Levin days were better in concert, but when I check out the bootlegs and compare, I prefer the stuff in these earlier days way better! And I have not heard any Genesis stuff even in those early boots, btw ... but will have to recheck them if I can ever find them! Gave those up many moons ago, when I was so broke, the heart cried!

 

Welcome aboard!  No need to shout! 

Gabriel recently mentioned the costumes in an interview, they've fallen into serious disrepair.  Carpet Crawler costume, bat-wing, etc.   He said that the "old man" mask from Watchers was a commercial product, easily found.  

But I agree, Peter would find little attraction in going so far backwards.  I think that the possibility of ANY such reunion is exactly zero.  

I agree, even though i'm a big fan of his solo material i dislike the cover/remake albums.

Up was brilliant, but that took a long time to "build"

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The logistics of doing a Genesis show nowadays would be crazy and it might just take too long to decide what they want to do, and Phil Collins apparently is not doing too well physically, and in fact looks the least healthy of all the members.

 

But if they did this I would like to have Anthony Phillips in there with them for a couple of songs at the start, because he was a part of the early vision that helped define the group that became Genesis, and PG was doing the costumes before Steve Hackett got there.

 

Personally, I have given up on these ... I would like to see, for example, ELP do an accoustic version, unplugged, if you will without the lights, so you could highlight the music, not the "show" in the Hollywood style. Genesis would probably be more fun for me IF they did do all these in teh accoustic style, to show how they have become great musicians instead of just another band out there ... 

 

But re-hashing the same thing ... it's like saying that Verdi or Puccini or Mozart were better in their day than they are today ... and that's stupid and a crazy comparison. The instrumentation might be tighter and more metronomic today, but I doubt that it would have a lot of differences otherwise.

 

Appreciate the music and the art ... stop with the commercial/fan side of it. otherwise it will just look like an old man that is losing his strength and wits about himself ... and he will look sad and not very good on the stage.