Can't hear the high notes
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Topic: Can't hear the high notes
Posted By: darkshade
Subject: Can't hear the high notes
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 10:20
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During a song, a (usually guitar) solo comes in, and during some higher notes played, I can't hear it quite well as the rest of the music. This doesn't happen when I listen on headphones, only on my speakers or in the car. Does anyone know the proper settings to adjust to be able to hear the higher notes? (ex. bass / mid / treble / SL / Loudness). Thanks. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 12:16
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I assume you are listeneing to a CD. For CD's since most newer CD's have that over compressed shrill on the high end.....my car system I have it all at much less than flat in a Custom Setting.
At home I have an EQ which I keep the 2K and higher sliders at 0 (flat).......but I do play with the sound a lot at home to try and remove that shrill.
Maybe that is why you are not hearing the high notes??
Not sure this helps my friend.....
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 20:48
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Well they're CDs that are put onto my iPod, which is how I play most of my music. The problem seems to happen in my car most of the time, and yes, it's usually with more recent albums (Dream Theater, The Mars Volta, etc...). In my car, the settings are- bass - 1 mid - 2 treble - 2 The ranges can go from -6 to 6. Sometimes I adjust the 'loudness' level depending on the band. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 20:53
It could be your hearing going  Just a bass/mid/treble EQ doesn't do anything justice though. And if it's on your iPod, that further compresses the files anyway, which usually cuts off the very top frequencies for compression purposes. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 21:02
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I worried about losing my hearing almost 2 years ago, so I always try to listen at 'safe' levels. The mid and low ends of the music sound perfectly fine. High ends sound good up until really high notes come in, and this is usually from a guitar or singer. Keyboard and horns making high notes usually sound fine, I think. I mean, I know when you get older, it becomes harder to hear higher pitched sounds, but c'mon. It could be the iPod, I don't like carrying around CDs in my car for fear of damage, and for convenience. I will bring my CDs and iPod and compare; maybe try and see if there is a big difference. But I listen to my iPod through the speakers in my room, and it's usually not as bad. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 03:27
| Can you still hear the sound of crickets (in your car or elsewhere)? |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 06:08
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Vompatti wrote:Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 06:31
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 09:39
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I can hear crickets just fine.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 09:55
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I wish I couldn't. Are you sure it's not just heavy panning? Because that would explain why you hear it on headphones but not in your car. I often notice poor dynamics as a result of the fact that, like everybody else, I'm sitting in the driver seat and not in the center of the sound system. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 10:08
I've got some similar problems and i think it's because i got older, it's obvious, i don't hear trebles the way i was used to do when i was younger...But maybe you're still young 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 10:46
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I am usually in the driver's seat. The high notes seem to be easier to hear when the volume is not so loud I would say I'm still young, Im only 23. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 10:56
oups!!!!! 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 13:53
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I wonder if this has anything to do with it http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/can-you-hear-this-hearing-test/" rel="nofollow - http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/can-you-hear-this-hearing-test/ I can hear as high as 17kHz. I cannot really hear 18kHz. I hope that's normal for someone my age (23) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 14:15
| I barely heard the 18kHz (on the second listen). (24) |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 14:18
then thats good? 
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 14:37
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It's good enough for me. I don't care much about high sounds.
I remember scoring quite well on a hearing test in high school (without cheating much).
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 14:51
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I'm watching X Factor. I don't want to hear the high notes ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 12:26
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As a warning to you people using that link that plays the different frequencies...YOUR SPEAKERS MAY NOT RECREATE SOME OF THE PITCHES!!! Do no walk around thinking your hearing is destroyed because your potentially garbage speakers won't create anything above 17 kHz. My desktop speakers stopped after 17 kHz, with my very nice headphones I heard up to 20 kHz. Also you would need a frequency response graph to truly see if that is accurate/if your speakers/headphones are on par with what is required for accurate results.
------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 12:41
| Yeah, with my headphones I heard up to 20hz (and almost could make out 21, but I think I was tricking myself a little). There could be some due validity in the previous statement. I thought my hearing sucked. |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 14:53
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I know what you mean about tricking yourself a little bit most certainly. I was debating if I was hearing it or just hearing the file start and stop. Somebody thats crazy about the technicalities of it went on a massive spiel about it to me that I can't recall the specifics of because I probably didn't even understand them. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 16:57
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Just wait til yer nearing 60 years old you won't hear a thing. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:10
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Sorry I didn't chime in sooner. If you can't hear the high notes, crank the treble up to 11 and turn every thing else all the way down. But seriously, crank the treble up to max everything else to min. If you can't hear the high notes then, then forget about it. Next, crank up the mid to the point where the high notes start to disappear and then go down a notch. If you can turn it up all they way and still hear the high notes leave it at max. Then crank the bass up and see if it wipes out the high notes at a certain point and then back down a notch. And You wouldn't happen to be one of those a-holes who drive around with the super loud thumping sub-woofer by any chance? Because that would probably explain everything.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:41
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Slarti, I have a friend who hates them sub-woofers. He is working on a device which will disable them. It's very similar to the device already invented which will shut off any TV in a bar. All players have a remote. Said remote operates on certain frequencies. Said device in development will shut down the player. The difficulty is that the player is in a vehicle, surrounded by steel, and usually not at glass level. I'll keep you informed. If they can get it to work, you'll shut down that sub-woofer in the car next door faster than a dog can lick its balls.
------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:43
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^ No I hate that and people who do that. Ive been adjusting my settings on the speakers, and it has helped a lot. But as I said before, this problem only arises when I listen to bands like The Mars Volta or Dream Theater, where it gets loud and bombastic, and unfortunately, hearing the high notes is essential in listening to those bands. I also realize this seems to happen when high notes are being played, and the music underneath is loud guitars or something like that. Weird, because I used to listen to a lot of rock/metal when I was in high school and had no problems. But that may be the issue as well. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:44
I Want That ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:56
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Have you tried putting samples of the passages that bother you together on a loop and tweaking away until you're happy with the sound? I think it's either that or you'll have to quit listening to those bands and I'm guessing it's not an option. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 05:46
I find that really hard to believe. I just took the test and could hear up to 12kHz, but not 14kHz, which is a little on the low side but normal considering my age (36 years) and the fact that I've been listening to music on headphones for all my life and did play in a Rock band for about 5 years. The thing is that when I played the higher frequency samples at really high volume through headphones, I could make out a tone besides the obvious start/stop noise - but it was at a lower pitch than the 12kHz tone. So my question to those of you who aren't kids anymore and stated that you could hear beyond 16kHz: Were the tones which you heard really of ascending pitch? http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/hearing.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/hearing.html It's really unusual for any adult person to be able to hear beyond 16kHz. And it's not a cause for alarm for an adult person to not be able to hear well beyond 14kHz even if you're a musician - it's more problematic if there are "holes" in your hearing in the lower frequency ranges. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 22:09
I was at the same point as him, certainly hearing 20 and debating if I heard 21, but I'm only 19. A few of my friends checked this out on the same system as me and had similar results, however they were all 19-21. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 13:42
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^ And you heard tones in ascending pitch? ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 22:49
As in I could I hear all the pitches lower than the highest one I could hear? If so yes, there were no holes in my hearing range. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 08:52
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No. My question is: If you go through the sample tones from lowest to highest frequency, are these tones, as you hear them, of ascending pitch? As the frequency increases, the tone should sound "higher". If this isn't the case for the tones that you're hearing, chances are you're hearing compression artefacts. If I turn up the volume really high, I can hear such an artefact for the 20kHz tone, and I realize that I can't really hear the 20kHz because what I'm hearing is of lower pitch than for example the 12kHz tone which I can clearly hear. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 18:31
Given Alitare's 21 years, he's like a lot teens and young adults, his hearing capacities are generally much superior to mature adults... They can catch frequencies somewhat higher than we can.... In Europe, some firm invented some kind of emitter (I forget the specific name given to it) working around the 20KHz, to drive away unrully teens and young adults from specific places.... and it works like mad.... To the point that these sirens are now illegal, because they are making some kind of discrimination... I don't recall the details of the full story about this emitter, but if a teen tells me he's able to hear up to 19 or 20K, I've got no reason to disbelieve him. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 23:42
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The Mosquito? It works the opposite way as well, kids set it as their ring tone and someone older (their teacher) would be unable to hear it. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 02:36
It's surely possible and I don't really disbelieve the claim ... I'm just curious about it and so I ask a question which people refuse to answer, and that makes me even more curious. But I still don't draw a definitive conclusion from that. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 11:04
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I'm 32. I could hear up to 16khz without headphones (just the crappy MAcbook speakers) and up to 17 with headphones. I mostly use big, around-ear headphones ( http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/5215eb84d110cad5/index.html" rel="nofollow - this, actually ) to hear my music. Are they better or worse than earbuds and other kind of headphones in causing hearing damage? ------------- 
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 12:11
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^Earbuds have to be worse for your ears. They always sound so low budget with NO bass that the high and mid range just absolutely massacres your ears. I'm talking about the Ipod headphones by the way. Also, large headphones block out outside sound a lot more, so you don't need to have it as loud. However, it depends on what you're doing with them, my large headphones can go to volumes that could destroy my ears in a very short period of time, whereas my Ipod headphones can't even drown out the annoying people around me. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 02:37
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^ That's not exactly true - it's not so much the size of the headphones that matters, it's the type. I agree that earbuds are worst - but in ear headphones can be as good as big headphones both in terms of blocking outside noise and delivering a good frequency response across the spectrum. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |