Trick of the Tail - Genesis
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Topic: Trick of the Tail - Genesis
Posted By: dalt99
Subject: Trick of the Tail - Genesis
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 02:41
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I just got this cd and have been listening to it for a couple days. I can't seem to choose my favorite song. Overall, the album is not as good as their earlier music though it's not as bad as I expected (for some reason) I thought I'd ask you all - What is YOUR favorite song on the album? ------------- Best of 2006 that I've heard: PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 02:46
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Dance on a volcano ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 03:07
None,I don't like post Gabriel Genesis -------------  |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 03:16
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I voted for Mad Man Moon, but like Gentle Giant's Octopus (I just voted in the poll about that album): this is again an album without any real weak tracks. Well, Squonk maybe, that is a track that isn't top quality in my ears, but it's not bad either and Collins' drums on it are fabulous. |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 05:07
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Mad man moon, just ahead of Ripples and Entangled (all 10/10 songs). Although overall I much prefer Gabriel-era, this album is an absolute gem, easily in my all-time top 10 albums of any genre. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 05:20
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Dance on a Volcano and the rest, in order of preference.. Los Endos
------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 06:07
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I'm suprised people like Mad Man Moon so much! I voted Los Endos. It would have been Dance On a Volcano if it wasn't for the naff fast bit ast the end, where they barely manage to play it properly. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 06:15
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That is the worst bit of the song, I agree, but they dont appear to be struggling with it IMO. It was just a naff ending. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Snow Dog wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 06:22
I remember an interview at the time, talking to Banks I think, when he said(something like) that they werent e very good band at playing fast, and he singled out the ending of "Volcano" as a case in point. Ever since that, everytime I listen to it, I hear what he means! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 21:26
Hah! Now that is funny. I am glad they didn't play fast anyway. Not their style! ------------- Best of 2006 that I've heard: PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 00:05
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Robbery, Assault and Bater-reeeee! A Trick of the Tail was good, but I think Wind and Wuthering was a bit better, even despite the fact "Your Own Special Way" was on there.... |
Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 15:55
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Actually, more I listen to it, I think TotT may be better than Lamb Lies Down... At least more consistant. ------------- Best of 2006 that I've heard: PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 18:50
Squonk was kind of a playful answer to Led Zeppelin's Kashmire. It is a piece of music embeded in that period of time. ------------- 
"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?" |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 21:19
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Can't decide! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 15:52
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Squonk
------------- break the circle reset my head wake the sleepwalker and i'll wake the dead |
Posted By: Philrod
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 06:06
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At first, dance on a volcano, but then I listend to it too much, and it became Ripples, but then after relistening to it a couple of times today, it probably is Entangled. It made me laugh how some of their tones sounds dated today! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Philrod/?chartstyle=Geldropdown-small"> 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 16:57
| 'Ripples' is simply the most beautiful song the band ever recorded- the instrumental middle section is prog rock at its absolute peak, and the link back to the lyrics is just sublime. |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 01:35
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they are all wonderful. I can't decide between Los Endos and Ripples ------------- 
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 01:48
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For me, it's Entangled, just narrowly over Mad Mad Moon ... ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 06:19
I think it's difficult to decide, because its just a quality album throughout... though I've gone with Dance On A Volcano, followed by Los Endos. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 07:28
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Oh I forgot to mention, I voted Los Endos! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Johnny-The-Fox
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 08:08
| Dance On A Volcano (Los Endos being second - but most songs on this album are equally good) |
Posted By: Grimm
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 01:20
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Squonk. Love the keyboard riffs at the beginning and during the verses, and, I guess you can call it the chorus, (you don't stand a cha - a,a,a,a - a - ance). Simple, but brilliant! (edit: sadly mistaken, that's Steve Hacket playing both riffs. Should have listened before posting! ------------- Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be or seem to be self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time. |
)Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 02:15
| I'm surprised that A trick of the tail does not get any votes. I think it is the fourth best song on the album. |
Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 21:04
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I think maybe because it's only as high as the 4th best to everyone else ------------- Best of 2006 that I've heard: PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 05:56
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I'm surprised that you're surprised |
. Listen to Banks' wonderful and totally original keyboard solo. And it's a very dreamy song. Not as intense as Dance On A Volcano maybe, but just totally beautiful.Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 05:57
Well, that certainly is an interesting point of view. How do you know? |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 10:53
| IMO the only genesis album that surpasses TOT is SEBTP. that being said my favourite song on it is entagled. |
Posted By: Maike
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 10:58
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I voted sqounk. The live version on Seconds Out is even better than the
studio version. Phil's voice is crystal clear and the sound is amazing. |
Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 12:19
| Los endos. If it wasn't for W&W it would have been the Los Endos of their progressive phase, not just ATOTT. The end of the prog era was instead excellent Seconds Out. |
Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 21:44
Dalt99, soul brother, how can you say the album is only ok? I could argue that Trick is the best Genesis studio album ever, esp since the Gabriel-era albums were all so badly recorded. ------------- "Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin |
Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 21:47
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Well Genesis to Revelation wasn't so hot either. Have you listened to Trick? ------------- "Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin |
Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 21:48
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Agreed. That would be my last choice. But it always does well in polls. ------------- "Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin |
Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 21:50
Wuthering had more highs and lows. Tracks 1, 6, 7 and 8 are awesome, but the rest were ok or sucked. ------------- "Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin |
Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 21:51
Now you're seeing the light... ------------- "Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin |
Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 21:52
Squonk is the track that first got me hooked on prog, 26 years ago! ------------- "Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 21:53
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I love epics, but since there are so many good songs here, I just can't decide. One of the best Genesis albums IMO. |
Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 17:24
out of those two I would definitly go with Los Endos My Favorite goes in the order of: Dance on a volcano Robbery Asault and Battery Los Endos Entangled Ripples A trick of the tail Mad man Moon squonk ------------- www.myspace.com/hail_peter 
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Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 21:24
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I'll start by saying that at this point in time, "Trick..." is my favortie album ever, period. IMO, it is second to SEbtP for Genesis' strongest record. Phil Collins and co. show that it was the right time for PG to exit the group. The thing that I really like about it is that each song works entirely on its own, so the album is like a book of fairy tales. It's hard to explain it, but it really has a "magic sound" about it...I guess this has to do with the unique sound of Tony's keyboards/moogs, and the spectacular interplay between Banks and Hackett. The other thing, is that when you listen to each song you think that it is the best on the album while it's on. For instance, when Dance on a Volcano is playing, I'm thinking "man, what an awesome song.....this must be the best on the cd.", and then comes Entangled and I have the same thought, and as each song comes, it ups the antie a little more until the spectacular Los Endos. I even love the title track which many people think is weak. The music and vocal arrangements do a perfect job of painting the picture that the lyrics describe, and this leads flawlessly into Los Endos, and when it finally comes to a close I want to listen to the whole thing again and again. As for my favorite, I prefer the three slower songs for sentimental purposes. Out of those I'll say 'Mad Man Mon', as it is the most beautiful song that I have ever heard. Phil does such a great job on vocals, he was always excellent at softer, emotional songs. Entangled comes in at second with the rest of the tracks close behind. If only Steve would have stayed.......What could have been ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
......Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 01:34
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Dance On A Vulcano Incredible/extrodinary/amazing/awesome/genius/masterliness etc.etc.etc. ------------- 
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 01:43
very consistent album....i'll vote for los endos, sums every thing up nicely and ends the album on a good note
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 05:18
Wow, I never expected anybody else in the world to agree with me on this.
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Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 06:10
------------- Marmalade...I like marmalade. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 07:14
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Los Endos, followed by Dance on a Volcano (great intro!). I quite like the title track too. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 07:45
Sorry Moogie, I don't like it, I find it second rate annd dull, but clearly I'm in the minority! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 07:46
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I go for "Entangled" for the fantastic harmonies on the chorus and for the ending. The worst track? - Robbery... |
Posted By: Under
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 08:09
Robbery is defintely the worst track. There you can already see Phil Collins' preference for commercial songs. Imagin some trumpets and some saxophones and it could be a number from No Jacket Required. There, my friends, the end was near..... |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 08:19
^ Can't really agree with that! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 08:30
Robbery Assault & Battery is one I often skip. The chirpy cockney Collins element is quite annoying, but there are some ill placed great moments in there. The instrumental sections are some of the most prog moments on the whole album IMO. I would say the weakest song is 'Trick of the Tail' I think the commercial Collins thing is most in evidence there, in the 'Doo-wop doo-wop' section (He broke down the door of the cage..etc) I think all post Gabriel Genesis (up until Duke) suffered from weak lyrics too. Which is a shame because instrumentally, Tony Banks was having his greatest song writing period IMO. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 15:55
Weak lyrics? Just read 'em. They're more simple than PG's, but just as emotional, and they all tell different stories. Just look at Squonk, excellent lyrics that deal with self pity/depression. ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 16:01
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BTW, I know the lyric line in Los Endos is directed at Peter's departure from the band, but what about Dance on a Volcano..... especially this part: You're halfway up and you're halfway down I think that the "pack on your back" is refering to the band being a burden on Gabriel, and it refering to "your friends didn't make it through"....."that's the way the heroes go" etc. Anyone have any insight? ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
Posted By: eriksalkeld
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 23:08
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INCREDIBLE album, no bad tracks, not even regular tracks at all. I would go for Los Endos as the best one here, immediately followed by Mad Man Moon. I guess Dance on a Volcano and then Robbery, Assault and Battery would follow... damn this is an AWESOME album. ------------- Autenticidad, actitud, pluralidad, espiritu e inteligencia, si es prog bien, si no, tambien. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 23:39
I'm not so surprised, if I'm not wrong Mad Man Moon and A Trick of the Tail are two Gabriel era songs that didn't made it into Selling England. Believe that without Peter to write lyrics they had to look back to some forgotten songs, of course they couldn't include Happy the Man or Twilight Alehouse because were already well known by the fans. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 23:53
| Have to be Squonk, but I enjoy all of them quite a bit. |
Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 13:12
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Dance on a Volcano...Genesis' best songs are usually the openers, its pretty formulaic. ------------- I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8 |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 13:19
Hmmm - Dance on a Volcano then Entangled  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Deliriumist
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 16:31
| Los Endos...followed by Entangled...then everything else. |
Posted By: sbrushfan
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 18:37
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I like Squonk. I tend to like lyrics that tell a far-out story. And that story's pretty far-out. ------------- Some world views are spacious, and some are merely spaced... |
Posted By: genesis24601
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 21:57
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Hmmmm.... tough call.... Ripples, barely followed by Entangled
------------- "It is impossible to achieve the aim without suffering." - Robert Fripp, from the title track of Exposure |
Posted By: Heraclea
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 03:57
| I couldn't agree with myself one one song, but I sure like the album. I think I have somewhat of a tie between Dance on a Vulcano and Los Endos. |
Posted By: White Duck
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 04:05
| Dance on a Vulcano |