Dream Theater - "A Dramatic Turn Of Events"
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Topic: Dream Theater - "A Dramatic Turn Of Events"
Posted By: darkshade
Subject: Dream Theater - "A Dramatic Turn Of Events"
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 12:44
Well, it happened.......   shhh....This album is going to be sick. Easily their best album since Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, but I honestly think it will surpass both that and Scenes From A Memory. There is a lot going on and I'll be buying it the day it comes out. From what I'm hearing from others online, this album beats out every other Rudess-era album by a large margin. This album comes out in 8-9 days; depending on where you live. Anyone else excited?  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 13:05
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I have no idea what you're talking about when you say that whatever happened happened, because of course nothing happened! I would comment on how refreshing this album is compared to the last decade of Dream Theater music, but of course it hasn't legally come out yet, so I won't do that. I would state that while I really loved Black Clouds and Silver Linings, this album sounds like it's going to blow it out of the water with the complex melodies, rhythms, and song structures that flow together really well. I'd even commend Jordan Rudess for sounding VERY restrained, actually using real PIANO, and for even sounding semi similar to Kevin Moore at times, while only bringing out the continuum once or twice that I noticed... I'd probably say that I'm pleased with Petrucci going back to his jazzier solo fills while still maintaining his shredding edge; for playing more emotional solos instead of just in-your-face shredding. I WOULD say all of that, but of course the album hasn't come out yet, so I can't say any of that. I just have to wait for my pre-order to get shipped to me before I can say any of that. Dream Theater has churned out some great prog metal albums in the 2000's, but had I been listening to this album for the past 7 or 8 hours, which of course I haven't been because it isn't out yet, I would say that it sounds like a nice blend of prog rock and prog metal. Enough of their old school roots but still with a modern flare... I'm sure that when this album comes out, I'll say all of these things and much more! |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 13:26
Nothing will surpass Scenes From a Memory  ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 13:32
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Yes, I've heard things about the album, that's what I was referring to. I also loved BC&SL when it came out; I thought it was a return to form, though the lyrics were a little 'eh'. But this new album smokes!!! It combines some elements of old DT with new DT, but I said that about Black Clouds when it came out. With ADTOE, there's some new element that I can't put my finger on yet. I think it's the level of intensity, and progressiveness. This is honestly the album many casual DT fans have been waiting for IMO. And Andyman, I beg to differ; I think this album is IT!!! And I'm not just saying cause it's the new album; I thought BC&SL was their best since Six Degrees, but didn't top it or Scenes. This one really does sound absolutely amazing. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 13:39
| The main difference I would have heard in this album if it had already been released is that it's UPBEAT! DT hasn't had many upbeat songs that get people moving lately unless they're meant for headbanging. This album has that energetic feel to it, or at least it will when it has been released because obviously none of us have listened to it yet. |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 15:48
You know that's one of those phrases which allows me to agree entirely with what you wrote, without us meaning the same thing at all... .------------- 
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Andyman1125 wrote:Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 16:05
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After a couple of listens, it's their best since Six Degrees. For the first time since then they use metal sparingly and for effect not just because they can. There's some real emotion in a couple of the songs too, something that been pretty sparse in the last few albums. Mangini does a good job at sounding like Portnoy did, but fresh enough that we know it's not him. The only gripe I have is Rudess' horrible synth choices. I'm starting to get used to them though. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 16:20
Oh ha ha ha  (  )------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: TheClosing
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 16:28
What the deuce? I like how everyone is stuck on the metal being less prominent now that Portnoy left. This album like everything else they've done, has tons of metal as well as the "ballad" and softer tracks. More specifically there's still the über heavy n' ultra clunky nu/corish metal riffs with those obnoxious Zakk Wylde pinch harmonics of the more recent records. Petrucci programmed the drums and made Mangini play what he wrote so he could sound like Portnoy, which is lame. MM could have brought something new to the band, but instead he comes off as a completely forgettable replacement guy. Much hype from the dramatic turn of events for a not so dramatic result. It will be interesting to see folks' evened out perception about ADToV once the next record drops, and who knows, maybe by then Petrucci will let Mangini off his leash. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 16:41
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I like how people show they have obviously downloaded the leak and how there are >70 ratings of the album. a week before it is out. Such is life in PA. -------------   
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Posted By: TheClosing
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 16:42
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Youtube my friend. Or at least that's where I listened to it. But ya, I see what you're saying. Such is life via the interwebz.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 17:19
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They riffs are just as heavy on this one (I would say the riffs are some of their most brutal), but the overall vibe is a lighter and more intricate. I couldn't believe some of the patterns and time meters they used. But mostly, it's their most melodic album in quite a while.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 18:10
Yea........I'll wait for the online download release....Listening to stuff on Youtube before release is like a dry hump. -------------   
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 18:30
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Caio, you have the best sigs ever. Ever.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 18:41
LOL, thanks bro. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 19:20
Such is life in all of musicdom. PA just need to board the 2003 train and realize antagonizing people who download is dumb. Maybe PA doesn''t agree with it, but it is the way of the future and we should probably stock sticking out heads in the sand about it. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 19:26
You should have a little more respect for old people, you know they can't internet. -------------
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 19:26
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No matter if the album leaked or not, I have all intentions of purchasing it. I still say there are perks to checking out a leak, as much as I am mostly against doing it myself these days. However, It allows you to see if you will enjoy an album. It's when people ONLY download illegally and never purchase, then something is wrong. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 19:35
That's what happens in 90% of the cases, braw. Look, I'm also all to allowing people to freely share information, but I do believe there is a site regulation prohibiting people from even talking about leaks. -------------
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 19:38
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Lost one Forgotten has the most insane intro i have ever heard, like a super Mario gone mad mode, evil super Mario mode in that music, mohahahahahah. awesome ,
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 20:47
Downloading illegally is against the law hence it is illegal....all of you that do that should be ashamed.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 20:51
When BC&SL was leaked, there was a thread about it. No one is advocating downloading, nor is anyone admitting to doing it. There are videos on youtube (how much better that is is another story.)
see above ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 20:52
Not in some countries. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 21:09
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^ Still does not mean its right......(nevermind) -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 21:38
Well, you do have a point and there is even a 2-star review from a reviewer based entirely and explicitly based on that leak (of BC@SL) and so far nothing has been done, so I believe there won't be much of a hassle after all.
This is completelly true. Here in BR, for example, only the profiter or the one who actively distributes a given copywrited material for free can be charged with a crime. -------------
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 21:38
I know, I was just kidding ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 22:19
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^ 10-4........ My problem is regardless of country the artist is getting screwed..... -------------
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 04 2011 at 22:24
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A band makes far less money of album sales than touring or merch sales. And if they're signed to a major record label, for the most part any money they'll get is just an advance than actual sales of the album. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: September 05 2011 at 02:04
No they aren't. Since it's such a great album I plan to buy the special edition now, as opposed to the standard edition, which I was going to buy before I heard it. More money for Dream Theater. Very often things like this leak are done on purpose, and sometimes it's a very effective marketing strategy.
He so silly... |
Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: September 05 2011 at 11:51
I already pre-ordered the album the first week it was available for pre-order, so I don't feel like I'm stealing by downloading something that I've already paid for, not that I'm saying I've downloaded the album or anything! I've also already bought tickets for the Dramatic Tour of Events and have hit every DT tour that's come to the south since I was old enough to go, and I'm in the Score DVD in NYC, so I don't feel like I'd be costing DT any money by downloading an album a week early, not that I'm saying I've done that!! If I had downloaded the album early, I'd probably say that after another day of listening, another major difference that I would have noticed about the album is that it's more melody-driven than riff-driven. Most of Dream Theater's albums lately have been very riff-centric, and though the riffs were often quite good, it left something to still be desired. There's a lot more happening in this album; even with the basic riffs there are more melodies being played with them. Little things like that and the 7/8 - 6/4 - 5/4 - 7/8 riff in Breaking All Illusions, for example, just perk everything up. If this album was just Lost Not Forgotten and Breaking All Illusions, it'd be a masterpiece even at 23 minutes long. As things stand, it's pretty awesome. |
Posted By: Cruithne3753
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 11:35
| Is it me or does the title sound a bit Lemony Snicket...? |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 12:23
Well lets see, the pinch harmonics are MUCH less prominent. And Mangini was given a CORE of what to play, and then Mangini was allowed to fiddle with that. Even so, Petrucci had much of the drums programmed BEFORE the drummer was selected. How is he supposed to know what the new drummers style will be before they select? |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 13:09
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7 days until the new album comes out here. One friggin' week!
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 13:38
Ah but it is you who should be ashamed for feeding the corporate beast that keeps the musicians down! Also Darkshade I think a thread was made about this, then again DT warrants at least 5  Like I said in that one, thus far it is inconsistent for me. Doubt I'll buy it when it releases, maybe later one day but not ASAP. Unlike Heritage which I can't wait for |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 15:12
This should be the official one! Well I'll be getting both albums on release date. ADTOE feels like a concept album, almost. There is honestly some new stuff coming from that new album, especially from the song Breaking All Illusions. I haven't had a chance to "preview" the new Opeth album, aside from that first song they released. BTW, I might be going to Best Buy to get these new albums, since they'll probably be $9.99 each, as opposed to VV's prices which are usually $13-$15 for new albums. We'll see. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 15:32
Feeding the corporate beast?? By buying an album whether online or in a store? So you are saying we should not buy any music that is issued by a record label because they treat the artist badly and don't give them their due?
I guess I am at a loss with the reply. It really does not matter though.......I will continue to purchase albums rather than download something I have not paid for.
I will purchase the new album when it available for me to buy........and I will buy a vinyl version because I will also buy the digital version. -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 16:03
Oh Brian, you are such a bropeth.     -------------
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 17:45
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Best thing they did since Six Degrees.I think Portnoy not being in the band revitalized them and let them be a little more creative.You can ever hear Myung's bass playing! -------------  |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 21:33
Oh, Myung is back. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 22:03
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Chillax Catcher, I buy CD's all the time and proud of it. I'll explain to ya some other time why d/loading is ok, ok?  But I am fair at least Caio, the new Opeth is sounding pretty sweet. I can't blame ya there Mike VV is more expensive for sure. Now they have all the sh*t you can't find at Best Buy or FYE but for DT and even Opeth, those are cheaper places to go for sure. I think I gave you a number, just hit me up Bropeth. I was kinda hoping the departure of MP would spark something, it's different for sure and their best album in a while but it's still underwhelming for me. Maybe some more time is needed. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 22:14
| Well, hearing the you tube "videos" posted in this thread really made me want to get this album soon. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 22:21
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Definitely sounds better thanks to the less emphasis on the metal part of things.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 06 2011 at 22:46
Well, Mangini wasn't involved in the writing process. I don't know about you, but everything Ive heard from the new album sounds different from the last 4 albums. I'm sure we'll see a more drastic change for the next album when Mangini is more involved in the writing. I do have your number. I'll hit you up next time I'm going ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: awaken77
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 01:48
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I listened the whole album only once But, to my pleasure, there is more keyboards and more Rudess influence (DT would benefit from using his classical composing skills more often ) This is probably my favorite track, and the most progressive, with great musicanship and melody, and without annoying Metallica-style vocals :-) |
Posted By: mp3killer
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 07:20
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Great album, they finnaly changed their sound, as they were always doing until Systematic Chaos.
Much more emotional album than last two, with once again great lyrics! :) ------------- prog forever! |
Posted By: awaken77
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 07:51
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What's on the second disk in special edition? p.s. the more I listen it on youtube, the more I want to buy it. the album is damn good! |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: September 09 2011 at 03:11
| this is going to be my first DT album ... |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: September 09 2011 at 18:24
| Don't see how anyone can say Mangini is playing it safe. He's way better than MP in my opinion. He's much, much faster, his fills are better, and he just all around sounds better. |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: September 09 2011 at 18:43
good lyrics? again? I'm confused. Are you sure this is DT? -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 09 2011 at 19:26
I completely agree with you, DT does not put out really artistic lyrics, their strenghs are the musical parts. Awake and Images & Words both have some 2deep4u parts, though (Awake, specially). -------------
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: September 09 2011 at 22:02
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The lyrics weren't fantastic but seem a little better than the last few albums.
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: September 09 2011 at 22:38
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 11 2011 at 11:50
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This album smokes. I'm sorry but if there's one modern DT album the casual fan should get, it's totally this one. Every song is good and flows like a great album should. There's still heavy moments, but they make sense with the music, and there's a lot of major key stuff going on. They also move through some pretty interesting moments on this disc. I would say the music is very dense, so there's a lot to take in. This is their most melodic album in 10 years. It's so prog too, which is great; I've listened to this 5 times I think, and I'm still discovering a lot of new things on the album. ***WARNING! CONTROVERSIAL OPINION*** This album blows Scenes From A Memory out of the water! Big time. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 11 2011 at 11:57
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Sounds good Mike. Without doubt, this is different and IMO better than their last 3 albums. My opinion is still the same: There are good songs and really boring ones and right now sitting at 3 stars. Will give it time to grow on me but yeah, that's what I got. Better album then we've seen in a while but same DT problems: inconsistent and I really just do not like James' vocals. Speaking of which "Bridges in the Sky" pisses me off That's because I really like the concept of the intro, the drone singing (and overall intro) is cool as hell but it's executed poorly. Sounds like he's having a very prolonged belch. Bugs me because I like the idea a lot and that would've been ballin if done well. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 12 2011 at 08:52
IDK, from what I hear in YT, I didn't liked it that much. I still preffer Black Clouds and I still think it was one of the best albums they have put out, despite what some think. . . . . *cough* BRIAN *cough*  -------------
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 12 2011 at 09:42
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I have only listened to Backs/Angels as it was released weeks ago on Zune, I have played it many times and it has grown on me....but from rating of 1 to now a weak 3, its just OK. The album will be available tomorrow and I will listen to the rest then, I'm in no rush......I will have plenty of time to be familiar with the content by the time I see them on the 27th Sept.
I agree with CCVP.....I think BC&SL is one of their best albums.....and I REALLY have a hard time thinking that this one can be better (in anyway) than Scenes/Memory.
What I do like are the songs I have heard them play on YT during their recent tour in Europe......I am more interested in the playlist for this tour than actually hearing the new album. -------------
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: September 12 2011 at 18:56
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I think it's great. They sound fresh, rejuvenated. The compositions are for the most part, more on the prog, and less emphasis on metal. I think it's their strongest material since SDOIT. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Proggy Pogo
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 06:57
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I love it!! It's powerful, orchestral, dramatic. I wish they hadn't put a ballad as the last track, but that's a very minor criticism. It's a wonderful album and it grabbed me on first listen, where most DT albums have taken a little "digesting", if you know what I mean !!!
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 09:25
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I loved it on first listen, but It definitely requires multiple listens to wrap your head around the music. That hasn't happened since SDoIT, or at least since the title track from Octavarium. I like how Beneath the Surface is the last track. They've been ending the last 5 albums in a row with the grand epic; BtS feels like the epilogue to a fantastic album after Breaking All Illusions. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 10:00
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Just downloaded the whole album off Zune........have already heard Backs/Angels.......So far very good, the keys are nice to hear, the symphonic prog I hear I like a lot. Lost Not Forgotten is very nice!! Mangini sounds very good, as should be expected.....but you can tell he did not have much to do with the album, this is a Rudess/Petrucci project.
Its good....
But........nothing like Scenes/Memory, at least not on first listen and I doubt on many more. I would put it on par with SDoIT.
We'll see after many playes though........again I am more interested in their live show coming up. -------------
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Posted By: peart_lee_lifeson
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 10:56
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I just went to Best Buy to pick up the album. I asked a worker if they had the new Dream Theater album? He gave me a confused look and then asked, "Is that a band?" It wasn't even put out on the shelf yet. I had to have someone go get it for me. Thankfully I now have it. Sounds pretty good so far. ------------- PROG ON!!! |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 11:09
Best Buy is terrible.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 11:10
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The people at Best Buy always make me laugh when they ask if they can help me. Same general response. "Not Lady Gaga, I don't know who that is". ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 11:39
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 12:51
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Amazingly enough, there are prog and classical music afficionados who work at Best Buy... ------------- 
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 12:57
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Posted By: Oliverum
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:04
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Fantastic album. Very versatile, dramatic. Once again incredible musicianship. I'm happy they have taken time to compose and digest all this through, unlike Systematic Chaos for example. In general it has been quite difficult for me to compare Dream Theater albums on the same scale simply because they tend to be so different from one another. I'd say ADToE is as good as SDOIT for sure, not as perfect in every aspect as SFAM is though.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:07
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:14
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:25
Best Buy is a well-known socialist front. |
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:49
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I went to HMV today, and they didn't have the new DT album out. I was there to grab the new Primus and Arch/Matheos anyways, which they did have. ------------- A fun place to review and discuss metal: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - MetalMusicArchives |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:54
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 14:00
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Wha? Nobody's linked this yet: http://https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150771825130184A" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150771825130184A Comparing the track structures of I&W and the new album. The couple of examples are pretty clear. Haven't heard the album myself yet, but I bought it today... ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 14:29
My brother mentioned the Pull Me Under-esque qualities of On The Back Of Angels when he first heard that song whenever they released it. I definitely see some similarities the guy mentions, structurally at least. The attention that guy's blog is getting though is pretty damn hillarious. Portnoy comments on it though, so lots of people are lashing out at him. ------------- A fun place to review and discuss metal: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - MetalMusicArchives |
Posted By: Oliverum
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 15:20
I read his analysis a couple of days ago. Got my copy of the album recently and don't know how accurate the analysis is but to be honest - I don't care. These are only song structures he is comparing, there is no way the two albums sound alike. Actually, the new one just sounds like DT at their best. So this analysis cannot diminish the value of the newest release. Mike Portnoy's comments though have been controversial and created a lot of anger among his (and DT's) fan base. As far as I know, Portnoy "liked" some of the Facebook comments which praised Portnoy and said Labrie was a poor singer (as well as frontman). Mike also commented on Thiago's analysis, saying that he also noticed the resemblance in song structures "first time he heard it" (which was before sept 5, lucky guy ). He added that in case the band used song structures from I&W as a "desperate attempt of secretly re-writing the past", it isn't a good idea.Nevertheless, I understand Mike's resentment. I imagine leaving DT was a very very big blow for him, especially after he realized how it changed the lives of fans and rejuvenated the band he created and led for so many years. ------------- All the best freaks are here, please stop staring at me. Marillion - Freaks (1988). |
Posted By: Garden of Dreams
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 18:55
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I'm in the middle of my second listen and I'm enjoying it a lot. I pre-ordered my copy through amazon and got it Monday instead of today . Did this happen to anyone else? ------------- Just give it all an hour by the concrete lake. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 18:59
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That's awesome ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 19:06
This happens with many online preorders: there's the street date and the shipping date, which is a little earlier so the people who ordered it get it on the street date. Sometimes the mail is fast. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 03:23
That's a pretty douche-y thing for MP to do, if true. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 09:17
| I'm liking this better than the last 3 or 4 at least though I'm holding back just yet on gushing with praise. I've found with the last few that my initial reaction has been pretty positive but once the dust has settled and I've lived with them a while they've turned out to be pretty ordinary. Hopefully this one will not go the same way. |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 17:22
Mine just came today, but I didn't pre-order it until last week. And half-way through the first listen, I'd say it's their best since Six Degrees. I like it indefinitely more than BC&SL.
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Posted By: FloydZhang
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 18:29
I live in Vancouver, and neither does HMV here have it. I met a guy in the shop, hes told me that he had been looking for it in several shops in Vancouver, but none of them had it. So I think it is not released in Canada yet actually.
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 19:54
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The new DT album sounds like elaborate and flamboyant nu-metal, in my opinion. But then again I've never really been a huge fan. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 20:21
I'd love to hear what nu-metal you listen to. All the nu-metal I've heard sucks. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 20:42
Oh yeah, that one grew on me and it's up to 2.5 now |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 20:46
Then change your review rating. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 20:49
Eventually. I will make one for MMA then just move it to here (it'll probably be better written as well). Though you know we can't do half stars so I need to bump it to 2 |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 20:54
I just want it to be bumped back up to 3.5 stars ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 20:57
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 21:01
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Sorry, my reviews are honest. I feel bad when I would see a popular black metal album (for example) with like 4 votes and my one would drop it off the top page but ah well. Music is rough bro. This album is better than their last 3 without doubt. Especially black clouds, ew |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 21:29
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ADTOE is the first album since this site has been created where a new DT album has a 4.0+ rating after 150 ratings. I see this being their first 4.0+ album since SDoIT
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 21:31
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Yes, Caio and Andy need to calm down there's no way even I could bring this album's rating down |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 21:33
I wish I was a collab so that my 5 star rated review (when I eventually write it), will bump the rating even higher 
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 21:52
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^ Well lets see what happens when the collabs start reviewing it, if they choose to......I suppose it will remain a strong 3.5-4.0.
I really like the album......It would have been much better to me had Myung come forward more. He's such a great bass player and I just am not hearing him very much. That's my one big disappointment with this recording.........yea I know he had a hand in some of the lyrics......but I could do without some of the Rudess sounds and more Myung sounds.
3.75 for me right now......I was 3.5 yesterday...but it is a very good album considering the circumstances.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 21:56
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But Myung was never very prominent, I can barely hear any bass on a lot of DT's albums. Shame because he is good. Also, while my favorite album was maybe their heaviest I do like the more keyboard, melodic prog driven style. |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 14:47
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Mmmm... will need more listens to judge, but after just 3 spins I get mixed feelings. Clearly they tried to go a bit back to the pre-TOT sound, some parts surely remind of Images and Words, Awaken, A Change Of Seasons or Metropolis Pt 2, but many other parts still sound like their last 3 albums, it's like a combination of both worlds.I think it's surely better than the last albums but still far from their best material, and in the best parts you get that sense of deja vu, they just go back to the proven formula, I don't find anything really creative. 3 stars right now but need to give it more chances.
John Petrucci is undoubtedly a world-top guitarist but he just repeats himself far too much, I wish he would try some different sounds and textures, he is definitely more than good enough technically, so why the hell does he not expand a bit his style? Even trying some sounding like Eddie Van Halen, Shawn Lane, Paul Gilbert or whatever, I don't mind, but a bit of variation please! He gets so predictable.
As for the change of drummer, I think if I didn't know I would probably not notice, Mangini plays great but very similar to Portnoy's style. Knowing about it, yeah, you can sense some subtle differences, mainly in the use of the hi-hat and cymbals, and a bit in the use of the double-bass-drum pedals and the tom fills, but it's marginal.
Need to give it some more time, so far I'm pleased but far from amazed.
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Posted By: voliveira
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 19:37
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This is easily the band's best album since "Train of Tought." Well, I'm suspect to talk about a Dream Theater album because I gave them all (with the exception of "When Dream and Day Unite") classificção of 5 stars, but ADToE pulled me an indescribableway. After hearing him insane in the last days I can say that there is no weak track (even"On the Backs of Angels" and "Lost Not Forgotten" sounds good to me now). We must determine two things: a) Myung's bass is <i>a little</i> more prominent now (in BC it was inaudible and SL, which is a shame), but I think he deserved much morespace band, b) the overall sound of the album is more upbeat and less dark thanprevious albums - not that sound more brutal was a problem, but I just hate <i>growls of death</i> and they were mined my patience with the band's music. The album sometimes sounds like a recap of everything the band ever made, but thesecliches are good, believe me! In addition, there are some interesting elements (I liked the techno beats). This is the album of the year in my opinion and one of the best DT. ------------- "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be" Matthew 6:21 |
Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 19:49
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I regreat trowing away $8.99 on this piece of sh*t. I dont think its a grower but only time will tell. but hey at least is better than Systemaric sh*t, sadly that is not much to say. ------------- |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 19:54
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I think the album has some great moments, really some of the best in DT's recent history, but it also has lots some moments where the instrumental pyrotechnia/masturbation take away from the cohesion and integrity of the simpled-structured songs. In the end all songs are rather simple in form but expanded through instrumental sections that sometimes are brilliant and sometimes are a chore to listen to. The melodic segments in between sometimes fail to glue everything together. It would seem that that at times DT are trying too hard to be DT.
The drumming is good. Just as expected. The recording has more soul than previous recordings with a bass that can be heard much more clearly (though it was always there). I like the importance the keyboards have received this time around. Overall, the album dances between a 5/5 and a 3/5. That would make it a 4, wouldn't it? Let's see if it improves with time and after the concert I'll attend in one month. -------------
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 01:37
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I consider this album as a transitional album, for obvious reasons, but also because Mangini wasn't involved in the writing sessions. I have great expectations for DT12 Anyway, as far as being able to hearrrrrrrr Myung, I would say BC&SL is the only allllbum where you literally can't hear him. Sure it's hard sometimes during SC or ToT, but he's there. He IS the msot audible on ADTOE since Octavarium, and maybe Train of Thought, but he hasn't had such prominent parts since at least SDOIT. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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