Progressive ! Is It meant to be a Males Mania ?
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Topic: Progressive ! Is It meant to be a Males Mania ?
Posted By: trackstoni
Subject: Progressive ! Is It meant to be a Males Mania ?
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 16:49
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i know that we have in our archives some talented females vocalists , maybe some talented instrumentalists , but why 99% of all creativities & Excellent Works are only made by Males !! Why is that in your opinion , it's been nearly 4 decades now , with the exception of few ones , females seems have nothing to do in this Mania since 1966 !
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 16:59
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:00
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I don't know, but we can all help to improve this situation by voting for a radical female feminist in the next election. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:05
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Why do women like prog? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&KW=women&PID=2185310#2185310" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&KW=women&PID=2185310#2185310 ------------- 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:07
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Don't you like women?!!!! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70014&KW=women&PID=3772045#3772045" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70014&KW=women&PID=3772045#3772045 -------------
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:08
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rushfan4 wrote:Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:09
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Women in prog? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44772&KW=women&PID=2726768#2726768" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44772&KW=women&PID=2726768#2726768 -------------
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:10
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I love women. In fact, I'm attracted to them. I much prefer female indie or folk singers than prog artists it seems though. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:11
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Why aren't there more women in prog? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30245&KW=women&PID=2231311#2231311" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30245&KW=women&PID=2231311#2231311 -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:13
Why guitars are better than women? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1859&KW=women&PID=34215#34215" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1859&KW=women&PID=34215#34215
I had to throw this one in there because it was funny.  -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:16
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Female artists: discuss http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73961&KW=female&PID=3978044#3978044" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73961&KW=female&PID=3978044#3978044 -------------
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:17
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Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:48
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Once something is already established as very male...it can be hard to break into it as a female! I know that if I uploaded a video to YouTube of myself playing anything remotely metal, for example, the comments would be littered with "she's hot" "she's ugly" "girls can't play metal" "why do girls try to be like guys?" "she needs to get back in the kitchen", etc., with a few girls saying something to the effect of "you go girl" or "I'm better AND hotter so NYEH". So, one issue is the routine objectification of women. If you hear a female singing on a track, a very large amount of the listeners will instantly think "huh, I wonder if she's hot." The other thing is that once it's established as male, people will feel that ONLY males are good at it, and women who do something that is on a par are either criticised for not being the BEST EVAR (whereas males of a similar level will be appreciated for being pretty good and the "not the best" thing is kind of ignored) or are glorified because hey, it's a woman!!!!! Also, once it's established as a masculine thing, people will sometimes accuse women of abandoning their femininity. Oh dear. None of this is very encouraging! So, why is it like this? "Prog" started at a time when popular music was male-dominated as a general rule, really. People were still breaking out of traditional gender roles. So, not a particularly good start. As my boyfriend points out (haha), music is also a great way of wooing the ladies, and teenage blokes will often learn the guitar. But this doesn't go the other way so much culturally. The guitar itself is often seen as a masculine instrument (mind you, I play the Classical guitar. There are many, many, many exceptions to this "rule"), as is also the case for the bass and the drums (again, there are exceptions). Hmm. These instruments have another thing in common - they are used a LOT in prog! There are plenty of great female singers, songwriters and musicians. But not a lot of these women are in prog bands. I would love to be in a band, but I'd be afraid of being objectified and being judged to harshly simply because I'm female. And it kind of puts me off. In conclusion: I blame social attitudes and not biology. ------------- 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 17:49
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Please close this thread.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 18:00
^I don't want to close this thread because the post I am quoting elevates the thread in my opinion, and I tend to think it unfair on those who put effort into their posts when discussion is closed.
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Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 18:04
If the thread fails to be of much interest after this, I don't personally mind! But thanks for the concern. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 18:06
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I moved ithe topic to Just for Fun anyway since similar topics have been discussed so many times and it tends to get silly (plus, don't really feel like having it on the homepage as a topic). I wouldn't be surprised if it is closed in time, however. I enjoyed reading your post. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 18:09
Kind of a shame that all the discussions about women are about the same thing...this is roughly half of the population and all we can ask is "why aren't there many in prog?"  -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 18:20
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I made my post before I got to read that one.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 18:51
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Thought that might be the case given the close post times. No worries.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 19:35
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Why am I still able to post here??
Please close this thread.....Thank you and have a great day! -------------   
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 19:52
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Then I was inspired -now I'm sad and tired. After all I've tried for three years! Feels like 90. I'm not as sure as when we started.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 20:14
Because it's in JFF now. Which means we can say whatever we want! NO MODS NO MASTERS ANARCHY ANARCHY WOOOOOOOO  ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 22:33
I concur with Logan. Hard hitting post, spells out a lot of things that I had suspected.
 As for the part of it that I highlighted, there's an extension or variation, by whatever name called, to it: "there are so many males making music so we don't mind if some girls wanna make music too but it doesn't really matter and we don't really need them." This is a more benign form of discrimination and unfortunately the most detrimental because such listeners would probably swear on oath that they are not sexist. |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 00:32
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^ I agree. It was a well-argued post and I don't believe there should be a desperate rush to close the thread. And Isn't 'discussion' the key ifocus of a discussion forum?
EDIT: Although, moving the thread to 'just for fun' may trivialise it. Though I do undertsand why it was moved, it was getting a fair amount of trolling. ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - JazzMusicArchives. |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 00:43
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I was gonna write something serious but then Henry's post made me lol all over the floor. But OOIOO is one of the best avant prog bands and they're all women! Who said women can't avant-prog (my great grandfather used to say that all the time, it was a different era, when only mice could avant prog.) ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 04:26
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But over 8% of the population will always be mice, right?
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 05:12
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ummm... shya ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 06:20
And Why is that ! just Ignore it if you don't like it , these Threads doesn't belong to you Epig , so respect others Opinion , otherwise , if there's anything against this site policy , just close it yourself or send me a message , telling me why , and I will !  have a nice day !------------- Tracking Tracks of Rock |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 06:34
| It's almost disturbing to me as to why there are not more female instrumentalists releasing progressive music to the world. The female population of serious musicians has always seemed to jump on board with prog men. For example.....A band like Art Zoyd would have a female in the ranks........People might be curious? Who is the girl? or the lady?.....I like the whole band, but who is the girl? I mean doesn't that just anger you? Okay whoever she is ....she must be an outlander or an invader. Women are treated like that in prog. How do the members of ART ZOYD feel about Patricia Dallio? It's just all frustrating......the world's image of a woman taken seriously in music. A woman who does not sing for a living. Or sing and play piano. Norri Bucci plays a jazz/fusion guitar style, rock guitar, and acoustic work. She has an instrumental piece she performs live on youtube titled "Reacurring Nightmare". She has an amazing technique and incredible feel. She could play anything asked of her within the progressive genre. Check her out and get back to me. She comes across as a very shy soul with a humble attitude and plays some pretty amazing lead guitar work. I'm sorry for my attitude ...but she is light years ahead of many of the male guitar instructors on youtube who have degrees and years of touring experience under their belt. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 06:35
This thread in some form or another has been opened multiple times. A recent thread on poetry was closed because a poetry thread already exists. This thread is redundant. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 07:01
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Renate Knaup,Heather Findley,Joan Baez(non prog),Julie Driscoll,Rachel Jones,Inga Rumpf,Dagmar Krause.........There are various examples of talented women in prog and other genres.For me progressive rock is a music addicts mania,I don't care about gender,we're all equals with our qualities and shortcomings.Women who play want to be recognised for what they do and not for their bodies.Moreover they don't care about their hotness when playing in front of strangers,they keep it for the people they love. ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 09:23
| I worked with a female keyboardist years ago and we wrote and recorded together. I would show to her house and walk in on her as she practiced TARKUS. It was only a matter of a month until she had the entire piece down. I would tell her that she was outstanding as my mouth dropped to the floor. She would respond like...."Really? "You think so?" A drummer I worked with who played a lot of Dream Theatre material said to me one day...."How did you find this girl?" She felt scared and lacked confidence, but could play almost anything in Progressive Rock. Can you figure this out because I can't. Maybe she felt alone in her gender? |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 09:30
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 09:36
I see that now, moved to JFF..........
BTW....prog suxs. -------------
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 10:00
How can that be sexist when many women feel this way because of us? That's where I am going with this by being direct and to the point. All the superb female musicians I've worked with for years have been threatened by the bully male mentality. I have also been told by a majority of them that women friends in their life pressured them to be something else other than a musician. All and from both sides of different genders seem to invade their space. I seem to think this may be the reason in the sensitive and artistic woman to feel feelings of depression toward society when it comes down to who exactly they are and who they want to be. I believe a majority of women feel this way in their sub-con. I think it's un-fair and not justified. I take it very seriously and respect them for their talents and I can surely see as a human being what it is they are suffering through.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 10:07
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 10:16
I agree totally with you. I'm a bit of a tear jerker with women. I often think of the limitations that have been applied to their lives that were rules with barriers invented by man. I wonder what it is like for a woman to remember that and live with it? It's very sad and difficult for me personally to understand how women can deal with that kind of pain.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 10:19
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 10:55
| I like wimmens k |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:09
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:13
ew wtf, I'm a man k |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:18
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:19
| you mean the baldies q.m. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:24
wtf ewwwww no  (I'm not a bald lesbian pagan k) |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:25
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Oh so you mean Amalia then q.m. Or Raff k q.m. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:28
I think you know whom I mean. 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:28
Matt q.m. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:31
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:33
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oh I meant Rober Fripp k |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:35
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wtf ur dunrk BACK ON TOPIC PLZ!11!1 |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:36
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wtf im not durkn k |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:37
| ohl ol |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:39
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:39
is it Zombie q.m. no wait thats not this site |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:41
 No. |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:43
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:47
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WTF?! this online poker software is constantly crashign??!? 1 11
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:48
oh so its threefates then  |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:51
you know who it is1111! . . . plplpzezeeee . . . stoppp thzs. . . |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:53
| omg did the non-german girl write you yet q.m. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:54
| she hasn't written me in several months k |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:54
| oh so its fip then, k |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:55
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:57
| how about the german girl, q.m. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:59
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she hasn't written me either k |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:01
| oh, k |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:03
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I'm so lonely. Why won't anyone write me?
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:05
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Do you write your letters in Finnish, German or Vompattian q.m -------------
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:10
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Any of the above (aber auf Deutsch nicht gern). (IF ANY OF U WIMMEN OUT THEAR WANNA HAVE A DEEP CONVERSION WITH ME IMMAGONA GLADLY GIVE U MY EMALE K ) |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:13
wtf eeeeeew -------------
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Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:16
I think you're right to point out that there is pressure not only from males, but also from females to conform to the set idea of femininity. In fact, some of the women are much worse! People long to fit in, and will often see their own gender as their peers, and so will sometimes reject a life calling, like music, so as not to be scorned by their peers. People are often harsher on people of their own gender, I find, for whatever reason. This is true of males, too. Also, hello there, Vomp! -------------
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:17
| So anyway, why are there so few women in prog? Why isn't prog progressive anymore? Why did Phil Collins ruin Genesis? Discuss! |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:19
I haven't seen you post in a while (at least not in the Just for Fun section) k  |
Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:21
That's because I haven't posted in a while -------------
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:22
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:28
its because he is bad k |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:30
WHAT IS PROG DISCUSS
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:33
| I don't think post-rock is a subgenre of progressive rock k |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:35
Okay. All those here for idle chit-chat back to the Shred (third door down on the left - just follow your nose), anyone left wishing to discuss the thread topic ( ) carry-on.------------- What? |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:35
We're talking prog here, not post-70s crap
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:37
| the progrock is a mans music because womans aren't dork like us guy |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:37
I agree  Y DO WIMMEN HATE ME AND MY MUSIC -------------
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:39
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:40
I bet Rober Fripp gets lots of ladies even if they don't like his music k. Mark must just be ugly 
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:41
omgk If i wear this will i be attractive q.m  -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:42
(I posted after this because I didn't see it there at the bottom of the previous page.)
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:43
Robert Fripp gets ladies because he threatens to sue them if they don't go back to his hotel room k And yus -------------
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Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:43
Send me your music and I'll tell you if I, as a wimman(?), hate it! -------------
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:51
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 12:59
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Okay, time's up.
ibtl ------------- What? |