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Topic: Dream Theater's New Track out June 29, 11AM EST
Posted By: M@X
Subject: Dream Theater's New Track out June 29, 11AM EST
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:31



Roadrunner Records and Dream Theater are proud to announce the premiere of Dream Theater's new track "On The Backs Of Angels" taken from their highly anticipated upcoming album "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" due out this September. Tune into Roadrunner Records' YouTube channel this Wednesday, June 29th at 11 AM EST


Source: http://www.dreamtheater.net/" rel="nofollow - http://www.dreamtheater.net/

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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:46
hrrrm. Conflicted emotions...


Posted By: Mushroom Sword
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:56
I'm anxious to hear it!

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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 18:25
I'm not setting my expectations too high...

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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 18:27
Me neither, but , again , it's DREAM THEATER ;-)

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 18:32
On one hand I'm excited to hear it; on the other hand, it's so soon before the album comes out. I dont want to burn myself out on that song (assuming it's a great song)

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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 18:36
well, I didn't have that problem with "A Rite Of Passage"


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 19:32
AROP is very average by DT standards though. And this new single is also the first track on the album. Their opening songs are usually stellar

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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 19:34
A Nightmare to Remember certainly wasn't.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 19:39
and I disagree. The only album opener of theirs that was kind of weak was New Millenium, maybe As I Am

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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 20:26
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

A Nightmare to Remember certainly wasn't.
Let me disagree... I think it's one of their best tunes... I love to listen to it very often... OK... let's the excitement rush out!!!


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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 20:29
I'm scared Shocked

DT is my favorite band, but this has got me worried. It better be amazing!


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Posted By: Dorsalia
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 20:56
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

and I disagree. The only album opener of theirs that was kind of weak was New Millenium, maybe As I Am


I think New Millenium is an awesome track.


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Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 21:15
I'm very optimistic about it.


Got to love awkward, record label-mandated, photo shoots.  LOL

Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:



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Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 21:16
could this be considered a single?

I reserve my comments on what to expect.


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Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 22:23
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

and I disagree. The only album opener of theirs that was kind of weak was New Millenium, maybe As I Am


I think New Millenium is one of the better tracks on the album.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 23:44
Originally posted by Dorsalia Dorsalia wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

and I disagree. The only album opener of theirs that was kind of weak was New Millenium, maybe As I Am


I think New Millenium is an awesome track.


New Millenium is a great song, just somewhat weak opener


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Posted By: Rune2000
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 00:30
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Me neither, but , again , it's DREAM THEATER ;-)
Say no more!

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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 02:09
Originally posted by Eärendil Eärendil wrote:

I'm very optimistic about it.


Got to love awkward, record label-mandated, photo shoots.  LOL

Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:



http://www.dreamtheater.net/" rel="nofollow -


But just look at how moody and contemplative they are! Folded arms and hands in pockets. Geeeez

Anyway, this better be good, or I'm going to have a bad week. LOL
 


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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 02:10
wow, your expectations are waaaaay too high then


Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 08:12
Disappointment awaits. Just a few more hours

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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 09:34
Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

Disappointment awaits. Just a few more hours

Half hour Cool


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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 10:12
Me likes. ClapThumbs Up

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Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 10:13

Well, it's less heavy.  Some cool guitar work, but it just seems pretty decent.

Is anyone else confused by the album cover?  I just don't get it.


Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 10:20
That was ..... I don't know

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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 10:21
I found it to be a huge improvement over the last album.


Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 10:23
I am no longer scared to hear the full album Cool

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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 10:25
Good points - 

- Not as 'heavy for the sake of being heavy'
- No growls
- More keyboards
- LaBrie's voice sounds good
- Overall more coherent

Bad Points - 

- Over long 
- The mix seems way off Confused
- Can't think of anything else

Me likey Big smile

We shall see. A single is not representative of an album.





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Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 10:45
The mix is so bad, that's strange


Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 10:59
Gunna listen now, how much suck should I look forward to? LOL
I KID I KID!


Posted By: Daedalus
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 11:10
Pretty good, typical Dream Theater. Agree that the mix seems of at times.

Nothing surprising but nothing disappointing either.


Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 11:12
I think it's what I was expecting, more prog, less heaviness, great guitar work (as usual, love the intro), more keyboard input and more harmonic and guided, DT taste on the overall, cool track... I'm really positive about all these. Not a single, it's just a first track... love it really...  

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 11:12
The artwork is...not good.

Fortunately, the music was excellent.


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Posted By: adace1
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 11:16
On first listen I give it a 9/10. It sounds like they returned to their older sound on this one. Can't wait to hear the rest!

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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 11:48
I'm sure it's been said 100 times, but why the hell are people rating the album already. 1/3 rated 1* and 2/3 rated 5* (sigh). 

Is there no way to ban rating until the release of the album, or closer to the date?


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Posted By: Starhammer
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 11:48
The artwork sucks. The song is good although it sounds too much like Rudess/Morgenstein project. 


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 11:53
Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

I'm sure it's been said 100 times, but why the hell are people rating the album already. 1/3 rated 1* and rated is 5* (sigh). 

Is there no way to ban rating until the release of the album, or closer to the date?


Highlight them and at least bring them to the attention of admin in the Reviews Reporting Thread.


Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 12:05
I like it! It certainly sounds more Proggy, which I expected from the name of the album. 'A Dramatic Turn of Events' certainly sounds a lot more 70's prog than 2011 metal!
 
Will have to hear it a few times more to form a more honest opinion... but that will wait for the album release, otherwise by the time the album comes out I may have lost interest in this song.
 
As for the artwork, I seriously don't think they would use that as the album cover, so I have no problem with it.
 
Overall (based on two listens) I give it 4/5.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 12:53
I listened to it 3 times, and by the 3rd time it clicked. It's a very good solid song.

Some points that should be noted:

1. Their lead-off singles are usually not the best songs on the album

2. This is a YouTube stream, meaning, even on 720 it's not going to sound CD quality. I admit the drums are a little harder to hear, but then again, Portnoy had his drums mixed so high you couldn't hear much besides the guitar.

3. The band has not confirmed nor denied that that is the album cover. (I hope it isn't)

4. John Myung is present as he's ever been!

5. The prog is back, and the METUUUUL is gone. I'm sure there's a couple heavier tracks on the album, but they're not trying to be METUUUUL anymore, for the sake of doing it. The prog and metal is more even.


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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 13:14
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:



4. John Myung is present as he's ever been!


So you mean not at all? LOL

Anyway I don't think it's a bad cover at all. Just a little nonsensical.


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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 13:38
I bet the art featured on the song is the kind of thing like they did on BCSL where each song has a unique little art piece to it. I think they're smart enough not to have such a sh*tty photoshopped picture as their album art. Anyway, the album is still a few months away. They have plenty of time to tweak and make it look... good.

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Posted By: Rune2000
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 13:50
This sounded, aside from the keyboards, more like a Symphony X track than DT. I can literally see Russell Allen performing this.
Not really a bad thing in my book. Wink


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 14:40
Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

This sounded more like a Symphony X track than DT.


Confused


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 14:47
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

This sounded more like a Symphony X track than DT.


Confused


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Posted By: Dorsalia
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 14:51
I was hoping they were going to put out something interesting.

This new track is pretty boring, however.


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 14:55
Originally posted by Dorsalia Dorsalia wrote:

I was hoping they were going to put out something interesting.

This new track is pretty boring, however.


that's what I thought on first listen too. But then I listened again, and then once more, and it sounded awesome. I'm going to try and see how it is while driving Cool

Besides, how many times has a prog song sounded boring on first listen??


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Posted By: Dorsalia
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 14:59
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Dorsalia Dorsalia wrote:

I was hoping they were going to put out something interesting.

This new track is pretty boring, however.


that's what I thought on first listen too. But then I listened again, and then once more, and it sounded awesome. I'm going to try and see how it is while driving Cool

Besides, how many times has a prog song sounded boring on first listen??


I mean, it's ok. It just sounds like a rehash.


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 15:05
Fair enough. I believe better things are to come

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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 15:07
Re-hash? Smoke

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 15:08
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Re-hash? Smoke


LOL


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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 15:15
I really liked the new song. If this is any indicator; Train of Thought was their focus on metal, and this album will be their focus on prog.. Excellent.


Posted By: adace1
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 15:28
Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

This sounded, aside from the keyboards, more like a Symphony X track than DT. I can literally see Russell Allen performing this.
Not really a bad thing in my book. Wink

I was actually going to say this. It kinda has the same structure as an SX song. I think it's a return to DT's roots. Btw, I'd love to see DT and SX tour together.


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Posted By: Mushroom Sword
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 15:29
Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

I really liked the new song. If this is any indicator; Train of Thought was their focus on metal, and this album will be their focus on prog.. Excellent.

What happened to Octavarium?


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 16:37
-There's no space in the mix. God, remember when Images and Words and Awake had some depth in the mix and It didn't feel like everything was at the same level with no EQ at all? All my upset.

-Bass presence...yes.

-That is some of the worst artwork I've ever seen. Jesus Christ tell me that's not real.


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 17:07
Heaping helping of "meh" all around from me.

Mangini's fine. The sound is ok. Labrie's voice is fine. There's just no real melody or even a riff that identifies this song compared to all the other DT tracks since...well along time ago.

Art work is no worse than the kid on Change of Seasons. 

What happened to the Black Clouds photoshop with the starcrotches? That's what I want to see on the cover.


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 17:47
I like Petrucci's guitar tone, at least.


Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 18:49
Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

I really liked the new song. If this is any indicator; Train of Thought was their focus on metal, and this album will be their focus on prog.. Excellent.

What happened to Octavarium?

It was terrible, and hardly prog at all apart from the first, and last two tracks. I hate that album....


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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 20:09
Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

This sounded, aside from the keyboards, more like a Symphony X track than DT. I can literally see Russell Allen performing this.
Not really a bad thing in my book. Wink


Same here, except if SX did this the song would be heavier and there would be a gazillion guitar arpeggios.

Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

I really liked the new song. If this is any indicator; Train of Thought was their focus on metal, and this album will be their focus on prog.. Excellent.


Exactly.

And the mix is somewhat strange.


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Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 20:48
Just listened to the song and I thought it was pretty good.

About an 7.5, 8/10.


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Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 20:48
Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

I really liked the new song. If this is any indicator; Train of Thought was their focus on metal, and this album will be their focus on prog.. Excellent.

What happened to Octavarium?

It was terrible, and hardly prog at all apart from the first, and last two tracks. I hate that album....


Overall, I love Octavarium.  Obviously, the title track is classic, but overall I think it's much stronger than anything since then.


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 21:34
Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

I really liked the new song. If this is any indicator; Train of Thought was their focus on metal, and this album will be their focus on prog.. Excellent.

What happened to Octavarium?

It was terrible, and hardly prog at all apart from the first, and last two tracks. I hate that album....


Yeah, other than the opener and title track Octavarium is basically unlistenable.


Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 21:36
Oh no...


I really like this song.








Now who am I going to make fun of? ... I am anticipating Dramatic Turn of Events now... Embarrassed

Opeth - Heritage, prepare for my wrath.


Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 21:58
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Oh no...


I really like this song.








Now who am I going to make fun of? ... I am anticipating Dramatic Turn of Events now... Embarrassed

Opeth - Heritage, prepare for my wrath.

You can make fun of the cover. I saw people complaining about it in this thread about it but I still wasn't prepared for how terrible it is.


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Posted By: Purple_Floyd
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 22:27
Probably just a place holder?...

Their logo isn't even right, it's streched.

The first listen : meh.

The second : With my headphones it seems better, I like the keyboard, kinda miss Portnoy for backing vocals. Almost... not DT, even if I think it's somehow similar to the the Six Degrees and ToT period.

Third : There it is. I like it. It's just not an awesome track.

I'm still unsure for the album. I expect something better than BC&SL, but not by much.


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Posted By: Kassimatis
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 22:32
I like the track! First impression is 7.5/10, reminds me a bit of IQ?

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 22:33
Horrible cover. Bad sound (could've been because I heard in my car through youtube in my phone obviously). Good song. It's not as catchy as A Rite of Passage and that's actually a good thing. AROP died a quick dead, this one has time to grow and last more. I liked the push the keyboard has received, I liked the start, overall left me good hopes for the rest of the album. Mangini performs just as well as Portnoy did, probably less annoying than him in the last albums.

I notice, I don't know how, more freedom in the band. It's as if somehow they had liberated themselves from oppression. I hope i'm not wrong and the entire album sounds fresher than the last two.

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Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 23:41
It's really interesting that Mangini didn't actually write anything for the album. The rest of the band literally programmed the drums then told Mangini to play it.


How did the recent lineup change affect the songwriting responsibilities?

We didn’t write the music with [new drummer] Mike Mangini. We decided to go in and just write it amongst ourselves without a drummer [to] get more in touch with the intimates of the compositional process that every guitarist, keyboard player and bassist does when they’re sitting around in a bedroom or hotel room or studio. Just writing and pulling out the best music that you can, exploring different areas. We decided to do it that way, which was great — a really great environment for being creative.

So, did you end up writing things that were really hard for him to play?

It’s funny that you say that, because I programmed all the drums with a program, which was a lot of fun. I came up with some wicked stuff. When we finished, I sent it, asking “Is this something that you can actually play? I don’t know, I’m not a drummer, is this a physically possible thing?” But then he came in a couple of months later, and here he was, a human being doing this stuff. I was blown away. It’s fun doing that kind of thing because you can just come up with stuff that’s beyond your wildest imagination, drum-wise, and then make it happen in real life.


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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: June 30 2011 at 02:46
Originally posted by Eärendil Eärendil wrote:

It's really interesting that Mangini didn't actually write anything for the album. The rest of the band literally programmed the drums then told Mangini to play it.


How did the recent lineup change affect the songwriting responsibilities?

We didn’t write the music with [new drummer] Mike Mangini. We decided to go in and just write it amongst ourselves without a drummer [to] get more in touch with the intimates of the compositional process that every guitarist, keyboard player and bassist does when they’re sitting around in a bedroom or hotel room or studio. Just writing and pulling out the best music that you can, exploring different areas. We decided to do it that way, which was great — a really great environment for being creative.

So, did you end up writing things that were really hard for him to play?

It’s funny that you say that, because I programmed all the drums with a program, which was a lot of fun. I came up with some wicked stuff. When we finished, I sent it, asking “Is this something that you can actually play? I don’t know, I’m not a drummer, is this a physically possible thing?” But then he came in a couple of months later, and here he was, a human being doing this stuff. I was blown away. It’s fun doing that kind of thing because you can just come up with stuff that’s beyond your wildest imagination, drum-wise, and then make it happen in real life.


http://ultimateclassicrock.com/john-petrucci-dream-theater-interview-2011/" rel="nofollow - http://ultimateclassicrock.com/john-petrucci-dream-theater-interview-2011/



So they basically welcomed him to the band in a frenzy of media hype, then told him to go away while we write the album. Nice.


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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: June 30 2011 at 08:32

I think it's easy to say, that the new drummer did a good enoguh job and Myung did great too. There are some nice passages that show this youth-like enthusiasm they used to have... And I like it how this isn't too heavy.

But the problem is, well, this song could be a lot better... but for the last, dunno 10 years all the singing... There's no melody. The song completely changes when the singing starts. It goes dull and boring, all the riffs are gone, just plain chords and the melody's like --- -- -- ---- --- ---  ------ no high notes, no low notes, just bleh. this band used to be interesting :(



Posted By: maynards_dick
Date Posted: June 30 2011 at 13:32
my first impression is remarkable side on track   there's no melody.I didn't like and bored...


Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: June 30 2011 at 14:04
It's pretty good. It's about what you'd expect from Dream Theater. You're not going to regret listening to it, but it's probably not going to change your life, either.

At this rate, though, I give them two or three albums at the most before they start sounding like a parody of themselves.


Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 30 2011 at 16:29
Great song. I love Rudess' presence throughout. Also, the mix does not bother me like it does others.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 02 2011 at 13:07

Decent song..most of the bad and good points mentioned already I agree with. Mix I suspect will get corrected for the album release.

I too am wondering about the album cover, its weak but not too worried about it. Unless they release a vinyl edition then I might have to cover it up in my collection.

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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: July 02 2011 at 15:23
Typical average DT song. This must be thier "friendly' mainstream song off the album. Remember it's the first single.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 02 2011 at 16:15
^ Its their pop song.......LOL

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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 02 2011 at 16:46
I like it.  It's by no means their best, but there is some nice work in it.

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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 03 2011 at 14:41
hmm, on second listen it's not as good...


Well, at least this will save me $20.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 04 2011 at 19:44
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:


Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:


Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:


Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

I really liked the new song. If this is any indicator; Train of Thought was their focus on metal, and this album will be their focus on prog.. Excellent.

What happened to Octavarium?

It was terrible, and hardly prog at all apart from the first, and last two tracks. I hate that album....
Yeah, other than the opener and title track Octavarium is basically unlistenable.


Maybe, but the title track is enough to make this album worth buying. For me the best song DT have released, and one of my favourite epics. As for the new song, I found it OK, and not very different from anything else they have released... I'd really like to se DT make a Dramatic Turn of Style, so they may do something fresh again... I guess that's the best lesson King Crimson has given us, how they can change their stile once a peak has been achieved. Perhaps not everyone will like the new version of the band, but at least they'll remain fresh.


Posted By: TheClosing
Date Posted: July 07 2011 at 03:49
I find it interesting that quite a number of folks had expected a dramatic change so that's what they're digging deep to find. The reality of the matter is, this track is exactly what you should have come to expect from the band by now. 

Mike P made an extremely valid point that the band could use a breather and it holds true. The great thing about bringing Mangini aboard is a fresh perspective, but it turns out he was merely a session musician for this record. Of course this is only one track, but if it's any indication which is a safe bet, then they could have taken bigger risks and allowed Mangini some freedom to add his own feel. Doesn't show much faith in the fans either and from some of the responses all over the net, I can't say I blame them entirely. 


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 07 2011 at 04:37
^^^ They probably hoped for a dramatic change because reading through expectations of several fans, this is more or less what people thought DT sans Portnoy would be doing.  More of the same in a way, but with less emphasis on metal.  Nice track but not particularly exciting at this stage.  I guess if you are not a devoted fan, there's no point anyway looking for something dazzling and daring from a 20 year old band, it rarely happens. So that's an unreasonable expectation, yes.


Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: July 07 2011 at 06:12
Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

So they basically welcomed [Mangini] to the band in a frenzy of media hype, then told him to go away while we write the album. Nice.


Just wait until Portnoy's return is announced... then you'll see a frenzy of media/forum attention thereby hyping the current album and MP's return equally (or am I just being cynical?).

If I were Mangini, I wouldn't get too comfortable on that drum stool

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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: July 07 2011 at 06:25
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

So they basically welcomed [Mangini] to the band in a frenzy of media hype, then told him to go away while we write the album. Nice.


Just wait until Portnoy's return is announced... then you'll see a frenzy of media/forum attention thereby hyping the current album and MP's return equally (or am I just being cynical?).

If I were Mangini, I wouldn't get too comfortable on that drum stool
 
Big smile  I was thinking the same thing last night.
Avenged Sevenfold ??   I heard somewhere that that was where Portnoy was headed and that just don't make any sence to me.
Maybe just all hype and a planned propoganda thing.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 07 2011 at 10:29
Listened another 3 times over the past few days....I am still just ok with it. But I would not expect them to release the "good stuff" yet. I am taking it as a teaser, I also think that is NOT gonna be the album cover but more of just an image for this song release.....hopefully.
I'm ok with the length of the song, I like longer songs anyhow, but I do kinda get lost in the keyboard portion. Everything seems to be toned down a lot and I think a lot of us are still reeling from the bombastic in your face prog metal epic 1st song on BC&SL.....which I for one enjoy very much!
 
I listened to Octavarium then the new song and it seemed to work better for me. Although based on this song I am not expecting anything earth shattering with the new album.
 
After seeing Portnoy with Neal Morse on T2 tour and his passion for playing, I wonder if he is really wanting to come back anytime soon? Especially with the new Adrenaline Mob project and all the other stuff, he seems pretty busy as usual.
 


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 07 2011 at 12:01
Don't you guys enjoy at least Sacrificed Sons from "Octavarium"? I understand if you don't enjoy the whole album, though I do.

Anyway, this new song is a solid song, and I'm glad, because it means bigger and better things to come in September


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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: July 07 2011 at 12:43
DT could play "three blind mice" and still be head and shoulders above any other acts out there Tongue
 
The DT bashers - well - they don't live in my house so I don't care.
 
Seriously - if I stop comparing them to themselves then it becomes pretty apparant that their worst albums wipe the floor with most of the other releases in the Prog Metal category.
What do the bashers want?  Another Images and Words with each release? How boring would that get after like the third reincarnation.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 07 2011 at 13:06
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Don't you guys enjoy at least Sacrificed Sons from "Octavarium"? I understand if you don't enjoy the whole album, though I do.

Anyway, this new song is a solid song, and I'm glad, because it means bigger and better things to come in September
I enjoy all of Octavarium...the topic of Sacrificed Sons I am not sure matches with this new track. My problem is I am strictly judging this one song.
Before Octavarium's release had they issued I Walk Beside You...very good chance I would have not planned on buying that album.
Although based on this one song I do plan on buying the new album......regardless of that album cover.Dead


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: July 08 2011 at 07:03
Originally posted by DavetheSlave DavetheSlave wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

So they basically welcomed [Mangini] to the band in a frenzy of media hype, then told him to go away while we write the album. Nice.
Just wait until Portnoy's return is announced... then you'll see a frenzy of media/forum attention thereby hyping the current album and MP's return equally (or am I just being cynical?). If I were Mangini, I wouldn't get too comfortable on that drum stool

Big smile  I was thinking the same thing last night.
Avenged Sevenfold ??   I heard somewhere that that was where Portnoy was headed and that just don't make any sence to me.

Maybe just all hype and a planned propoganda thing.


Exactly - just look how many threads/posts there've been on PA/MMA/Most other rock music forums since the announcement of MP leaving... all very good advertising & raises DT's profile.

When/If MP returns, then you'll see it all again, only more so

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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: July 08 2011 at 07:34
I'm pretty impressed with this track to be honest.  A bit lighter than of late, but dramatic and technical, great vocals from Labrie, plenty of flash from Rudess and a killer Petrucci solo to boot.  What more could you ask for?  In fact I was just relieved that they still sound like DT!!
 
Jim, I regret to say that MP returning to DT I just don't see happening.  Looks like things have already gone a bit too far for a return.  Hope I'm wrong though.


Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: July 08 2011 at 09:08
Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

Jim, I regret to say that MP returning to DT I just don't see happening.  Looks like things have already gone a bit too far for a return.  Hope I'm wrong though.


Roger, I'm probably just being Mr Cynical of Cynical City, but the whole thing looks a little... staged/contrived to me (especially if it's true that a drummer of Mike Mangini's talent is being used effectively as a session musician only).

I guess only time will tell (but then this is coming from a DT fan who looks back fondly to the days when Derek Sherinian was on keys )

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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: July 08 2011 at 20:09
What's with all the Octavarium hate? I think it's one of their best ever albums. The title track is probably the best epic they ever recorded. 

And the new song is great. I was a bit 'meh' on it upon first listen, but what prog song hits you on the first listen? It grew on me after a few subsequent play throughs. I have to say, Labrie sounds on fire, and so does Rudess. Mangini fits into the band very well. And I don't miss Portnoy's growled vocals! 


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 08 2011 at 20:33
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:


Roger, I'm probably just being Mr Cynical of Cynical City, but the whole thing looks a little... staged/contrived to me


There's YouTube videos circulating of DT's first few shows with Mangini. You should chekc them out; seeing is believing Wink


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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 09:16
this is actually better than the original.



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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 09:52
BAD SALADDDDDDDDDD


Looks like they got a new drummer and keyboardist.
Bad Salad are f*ckin badass 


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