10 most important albums in prog's history
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Topic: 10 most important albums in prog's history
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Subject: 10 most important albums in prog's history
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 22:23
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These are the albums that took people by surprise, made people say "wow, what is this?" or added new life to the prog scene or maybe were groundbreaking in some way. All of these albums are essential to any prog collection. Here's my list: 1. The Moody Blues-Days of future passed 2. King Crimson- in the court of the crimson king 3. Emerson, Lake and Palmer-same 4. Yes-The Yes album- 5. Yes-Close to the Edge 6. ELP-Brain Salad Surgery 7. King Crimson-Lark's tongues in Aspic 8. Genesis-Selling England by the Pound 9. Anglagard-Hybris 10. Porcupine Tree-In Absentia A few honorable mentions: Camel-snowgoose VDGG- Pawn Hearts Rush-Hemispheres |
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 22:28
| That just looks like a list of your favourite 10 prog albums |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 22:35
Gah! You just beat me to it!  Hate to be that guy...but yes these are 10 classic "classic" prog albums. For the 10 most important you would need at least one pre-prog album since it would be very important to prog. Not to mention an early prog metal one (not PT) and depending on how loose a definition of "prog" you have, at least one album in something like jazz fusion or electric music for example.  |
Triceratopsoil wrote:Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 23:05
Actually those aren't necessarily my favorites. I was trying to be as objective as possible. But I don't understand it when people criticize like that but then don't add their own lists.  Anyway, some of those are my favorites like LTIA but if it were really a list of just my favorites I would have put relayer in there. I also would have had wywh or ahm instead of DSOTM. Ut oh. It looks like I somehow left out Pink Floyd. Oh well. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 23:06
Well I think the Moody Blues covers the pre prog requirement. As for the jazz fusion thing give me a break there's only room for ten. ;) |
Posted By: Isa
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 23:21
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I agree very much with that list, though I would have put Hemispheres or something by Rush. Or maybe even Dream Theater... like it or not they've influenced the rise of a rediculous amount of prog metal. But yeah, great list.  ------------- The human heart instrinsically longs for that which is true, good, and beautiful. This is why timeless music is never without these qualities. |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 23:24
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Are we talking important, favorite or essential? If you mean the most important to progressive rock as a musical force then ITCOTCK for sure, Beatles 'Sgt Pepper's' for sure, and Incredible String Band's 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter'. After that probably 'Days of Future Passed', maybe 'Bitch's Brew'. Probably something from Yes although I'm not sure what. Something early psych from Haight-Asbury ala Joe Boyd or Jefferson Airplane. And probably some obscure skiffle or dance hall stuff from London although again I'm not sure what. And an ancestor of whatever begat metal and RIO (Sabbath and Zappa maybe)? ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 23:26
fair nuff  |
Posted By: JesusisLord
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 23:30
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Should include Dark Side of the Moon and certainly Sgt, Pepper's... Days of Future Passed and The Court are as important as well.....When posting something so objective, you have to be prepared for the inevitable criticism ......... ------------- And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11 |
Posted By: TigerSchmoopy
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 23:51
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All are great albums. Each artist should get one album. I'd remove #3,4,5,7,9,10 I would add ; Yes - Fragile, Focus - Moving Wavers, Renaissance - Trick Of The Cards, Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon, Jethro Tull - Aqualung , & The Strawbs - Hero & Heroine. ------------- Tiger Schmoopy |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 23:54
better |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 01:29
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The Nice - Ars Longa Vita Brevis King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King ELP - ELP Jethro Tull - Aqualung Genesis - Foxtrot Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans Rush - 2112 Marillion - Script For A Jesters Tear Radiohead - OK Computer |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 02:07
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I would replace Porcupine by Camel, Mirage.
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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 03:24
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For me the list would run something like this - not in any order
1. Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (although I think that their best was Sabbath Bloody Sabbath)
2. Uriah Heep - Demons and Wizards
3. Genesis - Foxtrot
4. Yes - Relayer
5. Deep Purple - Made in Japan (the seminal live album in my opinion and the one to set the stage for all future live albums)
6. Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery
7. Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
8. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
9. Rush - 2112
10. Marillion - Script for a Jesters Tear. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 03:41
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from the first decade of prog I picked these 10 albums, so many essential ones didn't make it: King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King Magma - Kobaia Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells Frank Zappa - Hot Rats Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mountain Flame Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon Miles Davis - Bitches BrewYes - Fragile Soft Machine - 1 Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts ( |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 05:16
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Procol Harum s/t, Shine on Brightly and Salty Dog all three epitomises progressive rocks evolvement in the late 60s -------------  
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 05:41
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King Crimson - LTIA
King Crimson - ITCOTCKGenesis - Foxtrot Beatles - Sgt Pepper's... VdGG - Pawn Hearts Pink Floyd - DSOTM YES - CTTE Jethro Tull - Stand up Zappa - Freak Out! Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground and Nico------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 07:19
This, but I would probably add 'Shine on Brightly' by Procul Harem and 'Days of future Passed' by the Moody Blues. I'm not convinced that there was any 'important' prog after the 1970's. There was good prog, but important? The biggest musical progression was in electronic music in my opinion, not guitar/keyboards based rock. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 07:28
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You're all missing the most essential works to prog: The first song ever created The first song ever recorded The first song ever played with guitar Some bullsh*t classical music How's about a Beatles album? Pet Sounds The Nice's Emerlist Davjack? King Crimson's Court Thick as a Brick Some boring jazz fusion album. And that's the birth of prog!
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 08:09
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1. ItCotKC (I actually don't like this album much but it's obviously #1)
2. Sergeant Pepper (which was in turn dependent on Pet Sounds, and preceded by Revolver)
3. CttE
4. Foxtrot
5. Marillion (not sure which one)
6. Rush (ditto)
7. Mindcrime
8. Images and Words
9. BWP
10. PTree (not sure which one)
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Posted By: italian fan
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 09:03
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this is my list: - classic ELP -The same
KC - In the court
GENESIS - Selling England by the pound
JEHTRO TULL - Thick as a brick
GENTLE GIANT - Octopus
CARAVAN - In the land of grey and pink
PFM - Storia di un minuto
YES - Yessongs
NATIONAL HEALTH - Of queues and cures
SPRING - The same
a little list after seventies
AFTER CRYING - Overground music
ANGLAGARD - Hybris
PORCUPINE TREE - In absentia
RIVERSIDE - Second life syndrome
BEARDFISH - Sleeping in traffic part 1
DREAM THEATER -Images and words
MARILLION - Misplaced childhood
Hi!!
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Posted By: treebeard
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 10:13
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Have to add my two 'penneth
1: King Crimson "In the court of the crimson king" - groundbreaking at the time, as everyone picks this need I say more?
2: Genesis: Foxtrot - broke the italian market and worldwide acceptance of prog was cemented. plus influenced a generation of scandinavian talent...
3: Yes: Fragile: Gave the world MR Rick Wakeman, he is to Prog what Lennon was to the Beatles.
4: Marillion: Script for a Jesters Tear: Helped reboot the genre in the 80's
5: Pink Floyd: Meddle: When the band were using the studio to such groundbreaking effect, again influenced so many...Dark Side was just the more successful follow on to this.
6:Porcupine tree: In Absentia: The merging of Prog and hard rock for a new audience and award winning recognition.
7: Jethro Tull: Aqualung: Denied as a prog album by Anderson and yet is a defining moment as it combined the folk element with prog rock which became a cornerstone of the sound.
8: ELP: Pictures at an Exhibition : Pompus and yet a defining album in the genre
9: Van Der Graff Generator: Pawn Hearts: Moved the goal posts so far that others in the genre were trying to keep up.
10: Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells: A single track on one side with no words that was not classical? Groundbreaking.
Also rans:
Focus: Moving Waves Caravan: In the land of grey and pink
Yes: tales from Topographical Oceans
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 11:15
yop |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 11:28
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I wonder how you ascertain "important" - is it influence on other prog musicians, increasing the visibility of prog by radio singles etc.? I'd argue that Miles Davis "Bitches Brew" was a very important album, as it helped to usher in jazz/rock fusion. In terms of commercial importances, ITCOTCK, "Fragile", "Days of Future Passed" and ELP's "Trilogy" with its very popular "From The Beginning" single should be considered. Using the "commercial importance" criteria, I suppose that Yes' "90125" and Genesis "Abacab" would need to be acknowledged! Other groups & albums that boosted prog's commercial standing included Asia's first effort, GTR, "Moving Waves" by Focus, and a few others such as "Seventh Soujourn" . In terms of influencing the musical genre, "CTTE" and the first ELP album were huge. As much as I love TFTO, I'd have to say that it was a signal event for the "downfall of prog," at least according to the popular press.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 11:41
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I like Porcupine Tree's In Absentia far better than all the other albums in that list but two (ITCOTCK and SEBTP), but what the hell is it doing in a "most important albums in prog's history" list? And even for DT haters, "Images and Words" should've been there far earlier than PT or even Anglagard or second albums by Yes or ELP... < ="utf-8"> ------------- 
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 14:42
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Many have missed the point......... it's more something like this I think: In roughly chronological order: 1) Sgt Pepper - In some way or another this album inspired the remaining 9 on the list, and influenced pretty much all prog since. 2) Shine On Brightly - Side-long epics are born 3) Tommy - Rock Operas are born 4) Court of the Crimson King - First album that can't really be described as anything other than prog rock/art rock/symphonic rock. 5) Any Moody Blues album - The general public become aware of the Mellotron (whereas Graham Bond and the others, although coming before the Moodies, wouldn't have influenced a lot). 6) Emerson, Lake, Palmer - Classical music first fused with rock (even if they stole it!). 7) Larks' Tongues in Aspic - Removing everything in the first 6 of this list in order to remain innnovative (and influencing, perhaps along with 'Red', every prog metal band since). 8) Dark Side of the Moon - The best-selling Prog album in the world 9) CTTE/Tales/Relayer - Representing the peak of Prog in terms of: quality, excess, and compositional competence (in that order of course). 10) Whichever album spawned the 90's/2000's resurgence - I'm not hot on this area! Obviously Neo-Prog isn't included because there's nothing new in it. Plus, I've ignored Jazz-rock and Electronica because they are something else as well as being prog (i.e. one is jazz and the other isn't rock). FREAK OUT should be there but we are restricted to 10, and it is maybe the least important of these. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 15:37
good stab at it I reckon although I would quibble with the comment about Wakeman as clearly it was Robert Fripp that was to prog what Lennon was to the Beatles. Wakeman perhaps more Paul McCartney?Also another very minor quibble - Genesis cracked the Italian market with Nursery Cryme first (made top ten)
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 15:40
lol? |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 15:47
Not to criticize, but I'm wondering why you think Hybris was important to prog? The same with In Absentia. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 15:55
Taste aside (I don't like Anglagaard whatsoever), I don't see why "Hybris" is important in prog's history. And In Absentia is not a prog album. As an aside, I have no idea what people see in ELP's debut. It's a third prog, a third folk, and a third Emerson just playing piano or organ alone. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 15:58
What's wrong with folk and/or Emerson playing piano+organ? |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:00
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Your formula sounds like a success to me Rob.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:36
You're right- the way I worded that was lousy (and I have absolutely no shame in blaming my pissing and screaming kids for my inability to communicate this afternoon). ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:50
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I'll correct your error, Rob - It's a half prog, half folk, all boring.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:52
That's what I meant but never said.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:55
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 16:57
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The Nice – Ars Longa
Vita Brevis King Crimson - In
The Court Of The Crimson King Soft Machine -
Third Tangerine Dream –
Alpha Centauri Yes - Close To The
Edge Pink Floyd – Wish
You Were Here King Crimson –
Discipline Marillion – Script
For A Jester’s Tear Anglagard - Hybris Dream Theater –
Images And Words |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 18:50
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I'm going to revise my initial list here so that there's only one album per band. Moody Blues-days of future passed (not their best imo but an important album in the development of the genre) King Crimson- In the court of the crimson king Pink Floyd- Wish you were here Yes-close to the edge Rush-Hemispheres ELP-same Genesis-selling England by the pound Jethro Tull- Thick as a brick Marillion-misplaced childhood ( i had to have something from the 80's) Anglagard-Hybris (maybe the album that unofficially kick started the prog resurgence of the nineties) |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 18:59
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Geez, we could all argue about this stuff until the cows come home. PT's in absentia not prog? Well, that's ok you could say that the FLower Kings and Spock's Beard and Arena or any neo prog isn't really prog because it's music that sounds like it's influenced by stuff from the golden era of prog and much of it is. But since PT are on here and listed as heavy prog then I think it's ok to have them listed. I personally sometimes have a hard time using the term prog for a lot of stuff that is often called prog(such as much of the catalog of the Moody Blues, lots of eighties and up songs and albums by established prog bands, much neo prog, etc etc). If I like it I like it and to me that's more important than the label. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 01:46
| ELP's debut is important because its the debut by the first progressive rock supergroup. However Tarkus made possibly an even greater impact and showed a new world of possibilities. Everyone of ELP's first 5 albums is important though and could justifiably be included on a list such as this. |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 03:49
I think we're all missing the importance of the first Black Sabbath album guys 
That 1st album was ground breaking to the heavier path of prog music in my humble opinion. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 03:58
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 04:20
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Obviously without these... prog wouldn't have existed
1. The Moody Blues-Days of future passed
2. Procol Harum - s/t
3. The Nice - Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack
4. Vanilla Fudge - s/t
5. Jethro Tull - Stand Up
6. King Crimson- in the court of the crimson king 7. Emerson, Lake and Palmer-same 8. Yes-The Yes Album 9. Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick
10. Soft Machine - Vol 2
11. Miles - Bitches Brew
12. Pentangle - s/t
Aaaaaaand....
10. Anglagard-Hybris
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 04:24
isn't it obvious???
Hybris is the start of the rebirth of prog!!!
I'd give a mention to Marillion's Script For A Jester's Tears as well.... but it had less effect on prog history despite being as influential and selling tons more than Hybris. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 05:32
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Procol Harum - s/t Terry Riley - Rainbow in curved Air King Crimson - In the court of the Crimson King Amon Düül ll - Phallus Dei Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Marillion - Script for a jester´s tears Frank Zappa - Freak Out Miles Davis - Bitches Brew Magma - Kobaïa Dream Theater - Images & Words ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 08:44
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Saying that prog wouldn't have existed without any number of albums is absurd.
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 12:34
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 12:35
Regressive, backward-looking garbage that has zero place in any conversation that pertains to progressive music. |
Posted By: esky
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 13:25
| This top 10 thread (which rears its ugly head periodically on this site) is redundant; it sickens me. Long LIVE FRIPP! |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 13:35
Hybris was very important to Prog in the early nineties and as Hughes says it was like a re-birth or it at least it kick started it again. Script did the same for Prog in the early eighties so both should be on that list as far as i'm concerned. I would include Sgt. Peppers in this.It changed the rules and Prog followed in those footsteps. As much as In Absentia is one of my all time favs i wouldn't include it with these others.Just my opinion. In The Court mught be the most important of them all though. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 20:10
And Motley Crue was riveting, original, unique, and emotionally deep? (Not that I give a damn about Anglagard, but I do love making fun of your beliefs because you never seem to have any factual evidence to support them).
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 20:48
I like how you quote that one but not the far worse Porcupine Tree album |
Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 21:48
Nothing wrong with a little well written regressive rock, as long as it's not all you listen to. Though I do agree that it has little to do with the development of the genre
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 10 2011 at 00:24
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Actually, the most important albums in prog history may have been the ones that wounded the idiom the most! Signal events would include: a) Yes, "Tales From Topographic Oceans": Many music critics point to this Yes magnum opus as the decline & fall of the prog music idiom, with symphonic prog soon replaced by new wave, punk and other rebellious musical forms. b) ELP, "Love Beach": Just bad, including the cover c) ELP, "Works": Bad, ponderously bad....the tour with orchestra ruined them financially d) Genesis, "ABACAB": Maybe this was the launch of the pop-prog phenomenon, but it sure put classical Genesis music deep into the crapper. e) Yes, "90125": See ABACAB, above. Steve Howe still makes ugly faces whenever he plays "Owner of a Lonely Heart" in concert! f) "League of Gentlemen" by R.F.: Bob's attempt to fuse prog with dance music. It was great live, but the record was weak. Bob wouldn't attempt to replicate "dance prog" again, except with a few tunes during "Discipline" which happened to be danceable. g) Pink Floyd, "The Division Bell" : not with a bang nor a whimper, but with a *thud* h) Styx, "Kilroy Was Here": Mr. Roboto killed Styx, somebody should tell them. i) Yes, "Fly From Here": wait for the reviews & tour financials to come in. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 10 2011 at 01:55
I would argue that very succesfull albums can damage the genre. Once you have achieved your masterpeice where is there to go. Alan Freeman (noted radio DJ and great friend to prog) believed the death of prog in the seventies was the natural consequence of the bands having reached their peak. Many of the albums you mention above were part of the aftermath of supreme music making when bands had nowhere to go but down.
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: June 10 2011 at 21:47
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Not to criticize, but I'm wondering why you think Hybris was important to prog? The same with In Absentia. I'll answer that question by having that as the answer to this question. 10) Whichever album spawned the 90's/2000's resurgence - I'm not hot on this area! |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: June 10 2011 at 23:00
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These aren't in any particular order: - King Crimson - ItCotCk - Yes - Close to the Edge - Miles Davis - Bitches Brew [It had more influence on jazz, but jazz and prog are intimately connected in many ways.] - ELP - [s/t] - Dream Theater - Images & Words - Procul Harum - [s/t] - The Moody Blues - Days... - The Nice - Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack - Jethro Tull - Aqualung [Had more of an influence then TaaB, I think.] - The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium [I think it be looked on that way 20 years from now.] -------------  |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 00:48
Excellent point!! However, some bands managed to keep on producing quality music, even after their opus magnum.....Yes had to re-group after their TFTO experience, but they did very well with "Going for the One." They were true prog survivors....ELP, not so much. Read Wakeman's recollections about the TFTO recording sessions and tour in this amazing interview!! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1045969/Yes-original-Spinal-Tap-says-Rick-Wakeman-Seventies-prog-rock-supergroup.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1045969/Yes-original-Spinal-Tap-says-Rick-Wakeman-Seventies-prog-rock-supergroup.html |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 01:41
Ricks recollections are so funny . I love the story about the Hammond on wheels when he was in the Strawbs.You can't make this stuff up!
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 08:57
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Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite
Dream Theater - Images and Words
Dream Theater - Awake
Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity
Dream Theater - Scenes from a Memory
Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Dream Theater - Train of Thought
Dream Theater - Octavarium
Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos
Dream Theater - Black Clouds & Silver Linings
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 14:55
It seems almost fashionable to dump on ELP(even prog fans seem to do it quite a bit). However, even though I do feel their influence and importance could be over stated and their immense popularity not fully deserved when comparing to other bands(such as Genesis for example who weren't nearly as well known in the US when ELP had their peak) I nonetheless feel that there is a place for even ELP in the discussion of important prog albums and bands. Sure, they were over the top but their music can still be fun to listen to and I think they were all very talented. If there is any prog band who could said to be both under rated and over rated at the same time I think that band would be ELP.  They aren't in my top five or probably even top ten but I still like them quite a bit and think they made a few very good and very important albums.
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 15:11
People who hate on ELP probably listened to Karn Evil 9 and haven't heard far superior songs such as Tarkus or The Endless Enigma. ELP is awesome! Well the music, anyway. The lyrics are pretty vomit-inducing.
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 15:22
| I hate ELP a lot and I've heard Tarkus, Karn Evil 9, all of the Debut...every song they wrote for their first four or five albums, all of Trilogy, all of BSS, all of it. I can't stand them, usually. |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 22:53
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The history of classic British Prog in ten easy steps
Sgt Pepper
Tommy
Court of the Crimson King
Liege & Leaf
Emerson Lake & Palmer
Pawn Hearts
Ziggy Stargust
Close to the Edge Dark Side of the MoonThe Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 23:12
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Here are 10 albums (or non-album in one case) which probably should have been more important than they turned out to be:
5000 Spirits or the Layers of the Onion (Incredible String Band)
Saucerful of Secrets (Pink Floyd)
Ars Longa Vita Brevis (the Nice)
SF Sorrow (Pretty Things)
The Least we can do is Wave to Each Other (VDGG)
Lifehouse (The Who)
The Alchemist (Home)
Tales From Topographic Oceans (Yes)
Past Present & Future (Al Stewart)
The Snow Goose (Camel)
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 23:36
| Was the Who's "lifehouse" ever released officially or just as a bootleg? I've heard of the sesssions but I never heard of it being an official release. I know some of it surfaced on "odds and sodds" but as far as I know that's about it. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: June 12 2011 at 00:03
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 12 2011 at 01:06
Take this list and add Freak Out! and it works for me |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 12 2011 at 01:09
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Smiley Smile Revolver Procol Harum Ars Longa Vita Brevis Stand Up Trespass Emerson,Lake&Palmer The Yes Album Tarkus Larks' Tongues in Aspic |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: June 12 2011 at 01:53
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The Wall
Asia
90125
Misplaced Childhood
Invisible Touch
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the album Tull won the 'best hard/heavy metal' Grammy for
OK Computer
Lateralus
Black Clouds & Silver Linings
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: June 12 2011 at 04:37
Lifehouse was the "non-album" that i referred to in my post. Half of it was released as Who's Next but the material that could have found its way onto a double album in 1971 or 1972 was incredible.
Townshend eventually released the Lifehouse Chronicles in 2000 but too late to be called an important prog album.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 12 2011 at 05:32
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The Crazy World of Arthur Brown s/t début - the symphonic scope
of Vincent Crane's arrangements plus a little mini opera at it's centre
make this a pivotal record in prog's gestation Ars Longa Vita Brevis - ironically the poorest selling album by the Nice, but if nothing else the side long title suite proved that rock and classical could start dating with their respective parents grudging consent (no tongues mind) In the Court of the Crimson King - although deeply flawed, it's material success and subsequent mainstream exposure made this something of a prog portal for many Tarkus - of ELP's first 5 classic albums this one has aged the least gracefully but it got to number 1 in the UK charts and like ITCOTCK put Prog firmly on the map of popular consciousness in 1971 Larks Tongues in Aspic - one of the most important and influential rock albums of any genre (period) Dark Side of the Moon - love it or loathe it, it's listed here because it's the closest thing anything prog related has to being a cultural artefact (people who don't own it or haven't heard it are just plain vanilla lying) In Absentia - proof that progressive rock could still flourish in 90's garb without any trace of self consciousness Prog's 1st generation suicide notes were probably: Tales from Topographic Oceans - nowhere near as bad as it's most vociferous detractors would have you believe but every barb ever thrown at the bloated prog mammoth is confirmed here in spades - long winded, pretentious, gauche, wilfully impenetrable, divorced from reality and pompous. Works Volume 1 - not even a bona fide ELP album but 3 mini solo albums with a big group hug on side four. I'll do the maths for you: piano concerto + 5 saccharine gooey ballads + what happens when you let a drummer write music = punk rock (BTW punk didn't kill prog, prog did) ------------- 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 09:59
Its just an opinion as is mine . Trilogy has very good lyrics as does the debut album. When ELP moved into sci-fi territory they tended to lose it on the lyrcis side mainly because Lake was not that interested in the subject matter and had to be pushed in that direction almost against his will (Tarkus almost split the band up such was Lake's initial opposition towards it). They got Sinfield in to help on the lyrics for Brain Salad Surgery and he also contributed the lyrics for Pirates which I personally like a lot. |
Posted By: esky
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 14:25
Karn Evil 9 is sh#t? Hardly, fella. Good stuff, Maynard.
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 14:35
I never said that! I'm just saying that despite being their most famous, it's FAR from their best.
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 14:44
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From a historical perspective, with justifications.
1. The Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed. No matter what anybody tells you, this was the first prog album.
2. King Crimson - In The Court of King Crimson. The album that most people believe began the prog movement.
3. The New Trolls - Concerto Gross Per 1. The birth of the Italian Prog movement.
4. Genesis - Foxtrot. One of two albums that comes to define classic prog.
5. Yes - Close to the Edge. The other album that defines classic prog.
6. Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear. The album that resurrects prog in the English speaking world.
7. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon. This was popular for an insanely long time, bringing prog to the masses.
8, King Crimson - Discipline. In the wasteland of the '80's, Fripp kept the torch lit.
9 Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per Un Amico. The crown jewel of the Italian prog movement.
10. Rush - Permanent Waves. This kept the prog fires alive during times that were growing increasingly darker.
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Posted By: esky
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 09:57
You still can - just flush the Rush and eradicate Marillion.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 10:21
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In no Particular order:
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 17:21
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Posted By: esky
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 10:33
Granted. Just can't get past Fish's mugging of Gabriel. Bought that album of theirs from the mid-'80s with the FM hit on it and was generally unimpressed so that subsequent listenings of other albums left a bad taste in my mouth, IMHO. As with Pendragon, I can appreciate Marillion's attempt's to honor that which has gone before them.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 12:20
Echolyn's debut was 1991 before Anglagard and Echolyn kept making albums whereas Anglagard did nothing so i think maybe was a good description of Anglagard driving a prog resurgence |
Posted By: esky
Date Posted: June 17 2011 at 13:40
Not necessarily in this order and only IMHO. |
Posted By: resurrection
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 16:35
| The list gets easy after King Crimson open the door with In the Court of The Crimson King, ably assisted by ELP and Yes. Prior to that, the crucial recording is The Clouds Scrapbook, the crossing point, progressive links that go back all the way to 1966. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 20 2011 at 15:16
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it is highly interesting that no-one mentioned "Psychedelic Underground" by Amon Düül. anyone who is familiar with Krautrock should know about the importance of this album. it is incredibly bad, but that is exactly why it was so important. there had already been many German bands at least two years before that album came out, but none had dared to make an album out of a kind of inferiority complex. after this incredibly bad album no band needed to have an inferiority complex anymore; they could hardly be worse than that. and suddenly many bands made their first album. the importance of "Psychedelic Underground" for the development of Krautrock can't be overestimated; it was much more important for the development of Krautrock than "In the Court of the Crimson King" was for the development of prog. had there been no ITCOTCK prog rock would have happened nevertheless; many bands were already working on something similar. had there been no "Psychedelic Underground" it is highly doubtful Krautrock would ever have happened -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 21 2011 at 05:41
One underground German hippy band made such a bad album that no others dared make a better one? Was it so wretched that German record labels got cold feet about the whole burgeoning cosmiche thang? I'm struggling to understand this but I know you are particularly knowledgeable about so called Krautrock and it's history so I'll defer on this occasion. -------------
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: June 24 2011 at 06:29
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Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: June 24 2011 at 07:33
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Five of them should be prog metal. 5 most important albums in prog metal's history. Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime Tool - Aenima Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory Tool - Lateralus Agalloch - The Mantle ------------- 
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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 21:33
Tank is very innovative and was the first example of a really crushing synth/rock jam. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 13:23
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This thread is seriously lacking some 'Images and Words' by Dream Theater.
Ok ok it's not as 'important' as Yes or King Crimson, but Prog probably wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for Dream Theater.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 01:26
Lucky Man is the only 'folk song' on the album and its no ordinary folk song with a unique Moog solo that impressed the inventor of that instrument. Barbarian and Knife Edge are hammond lead heavy prog tracks. Take A Pebble draws more from jazz than folk imo.Three Fates is classical/symhonic. Tank as mentioned as nothing to do with folk whatsover.
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 01:48
beatles - revolver
Floyd - DSOTM
Floyd - Meddle
Genesis - Foxtrot
Genesis- the Lamb
Genesis - Trespass
Floyd- WYWH
LZ- III
Camel- Mirage
Caravan - In the Land of G & P
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 02:37
It would probably be a whole lot better ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 05:59
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Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 06:05
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Images and Words is an infantile attempt on progressive metal. Go to Awake or Train of Thought for the real deal. And of course Scenes from a Memory is even better.
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 12:53
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But this thread is about 'important' albums, not 'best' albums.
'Images and Words' is arguably one of the most important albums in the history of prog metal.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 14:31
I think you have a good point any chance I could sneak in Iron Maiden 'Powerslave'?
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 14:48
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