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Topic: 2011 Stanley Cup FinalsPosted By: cannon
Subject: 2011 Stanley Cup Finals
Date Posted: May 28 2011 at 08:05
The Stanley Cup finals start on Wednesday, June 1st between the Vancouver Canucks and the Boston Bruins. Who will win the best of seven final?
Living on Vancouver Island, of course my pick is the Canucks.
Replies: Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 28 2011 at 14:19
Being half-Cannuck myself, I root for Vancouver, but the Bruins are my prefferred team from the US.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: May 28 2011 at 23:34
I think that the Canucks will probably win this series.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 30 2011 at 04:20
Boston fans are pricks in any sport , therefore the Bruins cannot win, Vancouver all the way.
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Posted By: Badabing666
Date Posted: May 30 2011 at 04:58
Go Canucks!!
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 30 2011 at 07:36
I just needed to check out which sport Stanly Cup was (I had a hunch but I was not sure if it was ether golf or hockey, ) but anyway I will cheer for the Canadian side for no other particular reasons then no reason at all.. I like mapel threes, and mapel leafs are cool looking .
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: May 30 2011 at 11:56
It would be interesting to see who the odds-makers have listed as the favourite. I'm cheering for Vancouver all the way but Boston has maybe the best goalie in the legue and they are tough. I still think Vancouver's skill will win out.I hope.
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: May 30 2011 at 16:05
Bruins are 13 to 4 odds of winning as the Canucks are 5 to 11. I'm not gambling man however I will take the Canucks in 6.
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 30 2011 at 16:13
Vancouver baby.
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: May 31 2011 at 15:51
I'm not sure who will win, but I'm pulling for the Canucks. This is one of the better goalie matchups in recent years too. Mark Recchi has announced that he will retire if the Bruins can win the Cup. If they lose, who knows.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 04:11
Both teams have their plus sides for me, but in the end I too am going with the Canucks mostly because they're a Canadian team that has never won the cup. And Canadian teams in general have had their troubles with winning in the last couple of decades.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 04:51
Pekka wrote:
Both teams have their plus sides for me, but in the end I too am going with the Canucks mostly because they're a Canadian team that has never won the cup. And Canadian teams in general have had their troubles with winning in the last couple of decades.
well a few teams did manage to reach the finals in the last decade or so: Canadians, Senators, Flames and Canucks (twice), but ultimately all choked
The problem is also that the tax rates are killing Canadian teams, compared to US ones (even with the $CDN almost on par with the UD$).... In order to pay a player a net salary of say... 1000.00 net, they have to to offer him almost double gross salary to what a US team has to.... And that's probably just on the salary front... I'm quite sure other taxes (TV rights, building/arenas, etc...) are also much higher Up North;.. all that with a much smaller possible audience/attendance reservoir >> almost unfeasable
At that kind of rate, it's amazing that Montreal manages anything at all, when you know Quebec has almost double taxes on the rest of Canadian provinces >> I think it was the main reason for the Quebec Nordiques to move to Denver.
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 09:39
I expected that lone goal to be on a fluke shot or something, but that was a fantastic play that came out of nowhere. It looked like Boston was expecting OT and so was I.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 13:30
Vancouver wins game one and i couldn't even watch it because our Cable,phone and internet has been out since Monday. Hopefully the guy comes out tonight like they said they would. Go Canucks !
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 13:40
The Dark Elf wrote:
Boston fans are pricks in any sport , therefore the Bruins cannot win, Vancouver all the way.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 13:45
I refuse to support any team with Raffi Torres. Now that he has scored the game winner on an offside play in game 1, this years finals are officially an abomination.
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 14:27
Of course I'm pulling for my home team. It's a fantastic atmosphere all around here in Vancouver and Greater Vancouver
Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 14:44
Canucks of course! I agree about the fantastic atmosphere. Yesterday was crazy.
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 14:56
Dalezilla wrote:
Canucks of course! I agree about the fantastic atmosphere. Yesterday was crazy.
This man is not a Canucks fan. I watched him cheer for Boston, oh yes I did. Lying Finns.
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 15:17
Dalezilla wrote:
Canucks of course! I agree about the fantastic atmosphere. Yesterday was crazy.
What, you're back in Canada again?
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: June 03 2011 at 02:10
The first two periods of game 1 were penalty filled and took away from the flow of the game. The Canucks dominated the Bruins in the third period with thier speed. Both goalies played great. Have to wait to Saturday for game 2. That's too long between games IMO. Check out this hip check by Canuck's Dan Hamhuis. Unfortunately he left the game with an injury just after the hit.
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: June 03 2011 at 08:04
That was a beauty.
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: June 04 2011 at 14:56
Pekka wrote:
Dalezilla wrote:
Canucks of course! I agree about the fantastic atmosphere. Yesterday was crazy.
What, you're back in Canada again?
I am for the summer. Good timing with the playoffs too!
Mike, if I was, I'd be dead by now.
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 04 2011 at 17:29
I'd have killed you with my own hands.
oh wait...
Posted By: Gyges
Date Posted: June 04 2011 at 18:12
As much as I want to see the Nucks fall apart (Im a SJ fan), its probably not going to happen. Thomas was lights out in game 1 and that wasn't enough. I think that will be a common theme through the finals.
I just hope Malhotra can get up to speed and see some icetime.
Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: June 04 2011 at 22:41
Canucks win 3-2 in 11 seconds of OT. Canucks lead the best of seven 2-0. Heading to Boston for games 3 and 4.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 05 2011 at 02:53
cannon wrote:
Canucks win 3-2 in 11 seconds of OT. Canucks lead the best of seven 2-0. Heading to Boston for games 3 and 4.
Don't sell the bruising bear's skin before killing it though!!!
But it's looking like the Stanley Cup is finally heading home...
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: June 05 2011 at 15:33
Sean Trane wrote:
cannon wrote:
Canucks win 3-2 in 11 seconds of OT. Canucks lead the best of seven 2-0. Heading to Boston for games 3 and 4.
Don't sell the bruising bear's skin before killing it though!!!
But it's looking like the Stanley Cup is finally heading home...
The numbers when a team is up 2-0 in the Stanley Cup is 42-4. That being said the Canucks have taken the early lead in all thier series then.... I never count a team out of it however it's looking good. 35 years. It's been a long wait and I'm an impatient SOB.
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 05 2011 at 19:02
Well, it's 40 years of no cup for Vancouver. It would be nice to parade it around here, especially after all the Gold we won in the Olympics last year.
Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: June 05 2011 at 19:25
King By-Tor wrote:
Well, it's 40 years of no cup for Vancouver. It would be nice to parade it around here, especially after all the Gold we won in the Olympics last year.
I was a Broad St. Bully fan(Flyers) when I was a kid and became a full fledge 'Nucks fan when I was 10 years old.
Make it seven.
It won't be long 'til it'll be eight.
Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 21:03
The Canucks take game 5 1-0 after getting thumped in Boston. Back to Beantown for game 6. I think this series is going 7... and into OT.
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 21:28
w00t GO NUCKS!
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: June 12 2011 at 00:29
hoping for Vancouver...as a Montreal native I grew up to loathe the Bruins, while mostly respecting them. But I have found it hard to respect some of their behavior this year - Chara's vicious hit on Pacioretty, Mark Recchi's asertion that Montreal was "embellishing" Pac's injury (a broken cervical vertebra is pretty hard to make up), Andrew Ference's finger to the Montreal crowd after he scored a goal, and Tim Thomas complaining about Montreal's budding superstar PK Subban's diving just moments after eliminating Montreal in overtime in Game 7. So it seems they are sore winners, and God knows what they might be like as losers. I sure hope I get to find out.
And I should ass that the Boston media is equally horrific, never missing a chance to diss the opposition as either wimps or dirty players, depending on their level of aggression. There is no denying the Bruins have been built for strength and size for 40+ years, and lately it hasn't done much for them, but this year's edition has skill and goalscoring prowess along with the nastiness, and that is proving a formidable combination.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 12 2011 at 01:48
^^^
Being also a Habs fan, I witnessed those Bruins-Habs games of the 70's (the Orr-Dryden era) with such awe!!! The respect I have for the bruins still come from those times... always hated the no-class bullies (flyers) , with Esposito, Schultz and Maloney, though.
I fear for the Canucks' win though.... Clearly the bruins are going to even it out in Beantown (where they really spanked their foes), but that last game out west is going to be an all-out brawl. Actually if it does come down to that last game, I'd say the odds for the Bruins are above 50%
Stanley head home!!!!!!
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 12 2011 at 22:28
I grew up a Montreal fan and so i also hated the Bruins and still do. Believe it or not i started cheering for Montreal after they beat Chicago for the cup in 1968.I was seven years old and they became my team.Not a bad team to be cheering for in the seventies.Dryden and Lafleur were my favourites from that era.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 03:44
[QUOTE=Mellotron Storm] I grew up a Montreal fan and so i also hated the Bruins and still do. Believe it or not i started cheering for Montreal after they beat Chicago for the cup in 1968.I was seven years old and they became my team.Not a bad team to be cheering for in the seventies.Dryden and Lafleur were my favourites from that era.[/QUOTE]
Not even counting that the Quebec Nordiques (then in WHA) were "stealing/plundering" Habs players right, left & centre...
But the 70's were an amazing decade for Canada in general.... The only thing they missed was that first canada Cup, losing to the Czechs (but my then-girlfriend, well sweetheart, was a Czech refugee, so I didn't feel that bad)
No small thanks to the WHA (what a mess THAT was), CANADA RULED!!!
Some of these Canadian cities had two hockey teams for a while ... Toronto (remember the Toros and Napier) or Vancouver (Blazers)... But the Nordiques and Winipeg Jets were regularly champions...
I even went to Varsity to see Toros games (against Jets , Nordiques, Calgary Cowboys and Oilers)....
but the only time I ever went to the Maple Leaf Gardens was to see concerts (I hated that Harold Ballard arsehole)
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 05:23
^^^
as an afterthought to my previous post, I find that Hockey was incredible to Canada until 93, when ther habs won it last (since then the stanley drought has stricken).... I mean it was all for the original six teams, until the Islanders, Penguins and Oilers came in >> but these were Canadian offshoots anyway.... Just imagine that the year (95) the Nordiques moved to Denver, they won the cup .... and the following year, the Jets moved to Phoenix and that in 94, the Canucks losdt the finals.
But since then, the weak CDN$, the high income taxes and small markets have really hurt us.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 11:36
I'm rooting for the Bruins. Hope they can force a game 7 tonight.
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 11:48
you f**k right off Pat
Going downtown tonight in the hopes that I can celi with about 50,000 other fans. Although I'm pretty sure we're going to lose tonight. All home game victories, amirite?
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 12:37
Sorry Tanner Mike.
Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 16:25
I'm going downtown too! Should be good. I would be surprised if they won tonight though. Equally surprised if they lose game 7.
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 18:45
Padraic wrote:
I'm rooting for the Bruins. Hope they can force a game 7 tonight.
They will! It's a schizophrenic series. Each team have showed different personnality. It looks that the Bruins can't get pass the time lag syndrome. If the Bruins can score 2 goals in game 7, they will win the Cup.
Posted By: MoodyRush
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 22:48
If Luongo continues to play like this, the Bruins should have an easy time. Of course Luongo has played fine in Vancouver. Well, good luck to both in game 7. Go Bruins though!
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 01:17
Both teams are horrible on the road this series......on to game 7!!!!
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 10:22
Sean Trane wrote:
^^^
as an afterthought to my previous post, I find that Hockey was incredible to Canada until 93, when ther habs won it last (since then the stanley drought has stricken).... I mean it was all for the original six teams, until the Islanders, Penguins and Oilers came in >> but these were Canadian offshoots anyway.... Just imagine that the year (95) the Nordiques moved to Denver, they won the cup .... and the following year, the Jets moved to Phoenix and that in 94, the Canucks losdt the finals.
But since then, the weak CDN$, the high income taxes and small markets have really hurt us.
I have to disagree with you on some of your points you've made. The Canadian teams bring in 35% of the revenue of the league. That's 6 out of 30 teams. That's a huge number of dollars coming in from Canada. Next year it will be 7 and in a couple years it will be 8 and and I'll even predict 9 teams within 5 years.
IMO, it was Bettman's "philosophy" to place teams in non-traditional markets that has also hurt the Canadian teams as these teams are compensated by the richer franchises thus taking dollars out of the team's bottom line.
To be fair to Bettman he did save some Canadian franchises, like the Oilers, Senators and even the Flames with compensation going to them back in the 90's because of our very low $, but since the lockout and a few years before the Canadian markets have done very well with the salary cap and our high $.
It seems some people think it is only the NHL that has problems. Take a look at the other three pro team leagues. All have thier problems too.
I think there will be another two teams in southern Ontario as the league can see the huge $ there and not to place another team(s) there is ludicrous. Q.C. will have another team once thier new arena is built. It will be built.
Anyway back to the game last night. I couldn't watch the game after the third goal. It was over. The first goal the Bruins scored I said, "here we go again.' After the second, "get Luongo the hell out of there." And after the third goal, "it's over", and I shut 'er off.
I'm blaming Luongo for this series going 7. Nobody else but him. He's getting paid the big bucks and he's not the doing the job. He's starting game 7, though he's played well at home, if he let's in the first bad goal, get him outta there. This is for the Stanley cup. The Canuck's aren't going to score three goals on Tim Thomas the way he is playing.
All in all, I hope it's a good game and close. Either way, win or lose, I'll have tears in my eyes from joy and relief or sheer disappointment.
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 10:47
TheProgtologist wrote:
Both teams are horrible on the road this series......on to game 7!!!!
I mean, yes, the Bruins lost all their road games, but did they really play that horrible? All the games in Vancouver were 1 goal wins.
I'll grant you the game 2 loss was due to horrible defense by Chara for the game winning goal.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 11:00
cannon wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
^^^
as an afterthought to my previous post, I find that Hockey was incredible to Canada until 93, when ther habs won it last (since then the stanley drought has stricken).... I mean it was all for the original six teams, until the Islanders, Penguins and Oilers came in >> but these were Canadian offshoots anyway.... Just imagine that the year (95) the Nordiques moved to Denver, they won the cup .... and the following year, the Jets moved to Phoenix and that in 94, the Canucks losdt the finals.
But since then, the weak CDN$, the high income taxes and small markets have really hurt us.
I have to disagree with you on some of your points you've made. The Canadian teams bring in 35% of the revenue of the league. That's 6 out of 30 teams. That's a huge number of dollars coming in from Canada. Next year it will be 7 and in a couple years it will be 8 and and I'll even predict 9 teams within 5 years.
IMO, it was Bettman's "philosophy" to place teams in non-traditional markets that has also hurt the Canadian teams as these teams are compensated by the richer franchises thus taking dollars out of the team's bottom line.
To be fair to Bettman he did save some Canadian franchises, like the Oilers, Senators and even the Flames with compensation going to them back in the 90's because of our very low $, but since the lockout and a few years before the Canadian markets have done very well with the salary cap and our high $.
I think there will be another two teams in southern Ontario as the league can see the huge $ there and not to place another team(s) there is ludicrous. Q.C. will have another team once thier new arena is built. It will be built.
You're bringing me some solid optimism here.... Indeed, I'm not that close to the NHL action or grapevine, since I'm on the other side of the pond...
What is that seventh team you're talking about for next season.... a new franchise or an existing one moving???
How about that 8th you mention??? Please tell me more
I agree that since (and just prior to) the lock-out, we've seen Canadian teams get into the finals (Oilers, senators & Flames), but still too many Canadian teams didn't make the playoffs this year (that's also a big problem... all six teams play in two different divisions > good for rivalry.... but, sportwise...)
anyway, STANLEY HEAD HOME!!!!!
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 14:25
Padraic wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Both teams are horrible on the road this series......on to game 7!!!!
I mean, yes, the Bruins lost all their road games, but did they really play that horrible? All the games in Vancouver were 1 goal wins.
I'll grant you the game 2 loss was due to horrible defense by Chara for the game winning goal.
They were one goal games thanks to Tim Thomas. Could have easily been two or three more goals for the Canucks. I admit that I'm biased though.
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 14:42
Dalezilla wrote:
Padraic wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Both teams are horrible on the road this series......on to game 7!!!!
I mean, yes, the Bruins lost all their road games, but did they really play that horrible? All the games in Vancouver were 1 goal wins.
I'll grant you the game 2 loss was due to horrible defense by Chara for the game winning goal.
They were one goal games thanks to Tim Thomas. Could have easily been two or three more goals for the Canucks. I admit that I'm biased though.
Yes, Thomas is having a hell of a series. But the Bruins do have to hope they can get the bad Luongo again.
Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 15:20
Sean Trane wrote:
cannon wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
^^^
as an afterthought to my previous post, I find that Hockey was incredible to Canada until 93, when ther habs won it last (since then the stanley drought has stricken).... I mean it was all for the original six teams, until the Islanders, Penguins and Oilers came in >> but these were Canadian offshoots anyway.... Just imagine that the year (95) the Nordiques moved to Denver, they won the cup .... and the following year, the Jets moved to Phoenix and that in 94, the Canucks losdt the finals.
But since then, the weak CDN$, the high income taxes and small markets have really hurt us.
I have to disagree with you on some of your points you've made. The Canadian teams bring in 35% of the revenue of the league. That's 6 out of 30 teams. That's a huge number of dollars coming in from Canada. Next year it will be 7 and in a couple years it will be 8 and and I'll even predict 9 teams within 5 years.
IMO, it was Bettman's "philosophy" to place teams in non-traditional markets that has also hurt the Canadian teams as these teams are compensated by the richer franchises thus taking dollars out of the team's bottom line.
To be fair to Bettman he did save some Canadian franchises, like the Oilers, Senators and even the Flames with compensation going to them back in the 90's because of our very low $, but since the lockout and a few years before the Canadian markets have done very well with the salary cap and our high $.
I think there will be another two teams in southern Ontario as the league can see the huge $ there and not to place another team(s) there is ludicrous. Q.C. will have another team once thier new arena is built. It will be built.
You're bringing me some solid optimism here.... Indeed, I'm not that close to the NHL action or grapevine, since I'm on the other side of the pond...
What is that seventh team you're talking about for next season.... a new franchise or an existing one moving???
How about that 8th you mention??? Please tell me more
I agree that since (and just prior to) the lock-out, we've seen Canadian teams get into the finals (Oilers, senators & Flames), but still too many Canadian teams didn't make the playoffs this year (that's also a big problem... all six teams play in two different divisions > good for rivalry.... but, sportwise...)
anyway, STANLEY HEAD HOME!!!!!
The Atlanta Thrashers got sold and moved to Winnipeg. They'll start next season. It's still up in the air to what the team will called. The owner owns the AHL Manitoba Moose(Canuck's farm team. Not sure if they'll be staying.) and the team might be called the Moose. IMO, it has to be the Jets.
However, here's the Moose logo. Pretty cool. So Canadian. I could accept it.
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 17:56
cannon wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
cannon wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
^^^
as an afterthought to my previous post, I find that Hockey was incredible to Canada until 93, when ther habs won it last (since then the stanley drought has stricken).... I mean it was all for the original six teams, until the Islanders, Penguins and Oilers came in >> but these were Canadian offshoots anyway.... Just imagine that the year (95) the Nordiques moved to Denver, they won the cup .... and the following year, the Jets moved to Phoenix and that in 94, the Canucks losdt the finals.
But since then, the weak CDN$, the high income taxes and small markets have really hurt us.
I have to disagree with you on some of your points you've made. The Canadian teams bring in 35% of the revenue of the league. That's 6 out of 30 teams. That's a huge number of dollars coming in from Canada. Next year it will be 7 and in a couple years it will be 8 and and I'll even predict 9 teams within 5 years.
IMO, it was Bettman's "philosophy" to place teams in non-traditional markets that has also hurt the Canadian teams as these teams are compensated by the richer franchises thus taking dollars out of the team's bottom line.
To be fair to Bettman he did save some Canadian franchises, like the Oilers, Senators and even the Flames with compensation going to them back in the 90's because of our very low $, but since the lockout and a few years before the Canadian markets have done very well with the salary cap and our high $.
I think there will be another two teams in southern Ontario as the league can see the huge $ there and not to place another team(s) there is ludicrous. Q.C. will have another team once thier new arena is built. It will be built.
You're bringing me some solid optimism here.... Indeed, I'm not that close to the NHL action or grapevine, since I'm on the other side of the pond...
What is that seventh team you're talking about for next season.... a new franchise or an existing one moving???
How about that 8th you mention??? Please tell me more
I agree that since (and just prior to) the lock-out, we've seen Canadian teams get into the finals (Oilers, senators & Flames), but still too many Canadian teams didn't make the playoffs this year (that's also a big problem... all six teams play in two different divisions > good for rivalry.... but, sportwise...)
anyway, STANLEY HEAD HOME!!!!!
The Atlanta Thrashers got sold and moved to Winnipeg. They'll start next season. It's still up in the air to what the team will called. The owner owns the AHL Manitoba Moose(Canuck's farm team. Not sure if they'll be staying.) and the team might be called the Moose. IMO, it has to be the Jets.
However, here's the Moose logo. Pretty cool. So Canadian. I could accept it.
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 20:38
Padraic wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Both teams are horrible on the road this series......on to game 7!!!!
I mean, yes, the Bruins lost all their road games, but did they really play that horrible? All the games in Vancouver were 1 goal wins.
I'll grant you the game 2 loss was due to horrible defense by Chara for the game winning goal.
There has been great play from both teams this series.But both teams not being able to win on the road is pretty bad.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 02:43
Evolver wrote:
cannon wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
You're bringing me some solid optimism here.... Indeed, I'm not that close to the NHL action or grapevine, since I'm on the other side of the pond...
What is that seventh team you're talking about for next season.... a new franchise or an existing one moving???
How about that 8th you mention??? Please tell me more
I agree that since (and just prior to) the lock-out, we've seen Canadian teams get into the finals (Oilers, senators & Flames), but still too many Canadian teams didn't make the playoffs this year (that's also a big problem... all six teams play in two different divisions > good for rivalry.... but, sportwise...)
anyway, STANLEY HEAD HOME!!!!!
The Atlanta Thrashers got sold and moved to Winnipeg. They'll start next season. It's still up in the air to what the team will called. The owner owns the AHL Manitoba Moose(Canuck's farm team. Not sure if they'll be staying.) and the team might be called the Moose. IMO, it has to be the Jets.
However, here's the Moose logo. Pretty cool. So Canadian. I could accept it.
I don't think the name of Winnipeg Poohs will scare any NHL brute....
I'd prefer the the Moose logo, but I think this would be easily transformed into bad jokes... (mouse, or sumthin' else)
The Jets would be a good idea (although the NHL might resent the use of the 70's WHA powerhouse name), because after all, it's only been 14 years
Soooo it would be the second time Atlanta would loose their franchise to Canada (after the Flames). Not a good idea for canucks to take holidays in Geargia, uh???
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 07:52
Sean Trane wrote:
Evolver wrote:
cannon wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
You're bringing me some solid optimism here.... Indeed, I'm not that close to the NHL action or grapevine, since I'm on the other side of the pond...
What is that seventh team you're talking about for next season.... a new franchise or an existing one moving???
How about that 8th you mention??? Please tell me more
I agree that since (and just prior to) the lock-out, we've seen Canadian teams get into the finals (Oilers, senators & Flames), but still too many Canadian teams didn't make the playoffs this year (that's also a big problem... all six teams play in two different divisions > good for rivalry.... but, sportwise...)
anyway, STANLEY HEAD HOME!!!!!
The Atlanta Thrashers got sold and moved to Winnipeg. They'll start next season. It's still up in the air to what the team will called. The owner owns the AHL Manitoba Moose(Canuck's farm team. Not sure if they'll be staying.) and the team might be called the Moose. IMO, it has to be the Jets.
However, here's the Moose logo. Pretty cool. So Canadian. I could accept it.
I don't think the name of Winnipeg Poohs will scare any NHL brute....
I'd prefer the the Moose logo, but I think this would be easily transformed into bad jokes... (mouse, or sumthin' else)
The Jets would be a good idea (although the NHL might resent the use of the 70's WHA powerhouse name), because after all, it's only been 14 years
Soooo it would be the second time Atlanta would loose their franchise to Canada (after the Flames). Not a good idea for canucks to take holidays in Geargia, uh???
Poohs is worst than the Mighty Ducks.
Bettman didn't take history in account in regards to Atlanta. The Flames weren't a bad team in Atlanta making the playoffs six out of the eight years they were there. As far as teams relocating to other US markets I really have no idea where they would go. Oklahoma City? Seattle I would think could support a team. Back in Hartford? Kansas City..it didn't work there as well. Portland, Oregon...maybe. Milwaukee...hockey is pretty big there on a high school and university level.
In summary, I can only see teams relocating to Canada in the immediate future. I even think the lower mainland of B.C. could support another team.
I'm already nervous and excited about game 7 tonight.
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 08:17
cannon wrote:
Poohs is worst than the Mighty Ducks.
Just think of the comedic aspects.
They could have white uniforms, with a brown stripe down the back of the pants.
Oh, wait, the Canucks wore those this past week in Boston.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 08:51
Sean Trane wrote:
Soooo it would be the second time Atlanta would loose their franchise to Canada (after the Flames). Not a good idea for canucks to take holidays in Geargia, uh???
No one in Atlanta will even notice that the team is gone.
Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 12:48
Evolver wrote:
cannon wrote:
Poohs is worst than the Mighty Ducks.
Just think of the comedic aspects.
They could have white uniforms, with a brown stripe down the back of the pants.
Oh, wait, the Canucks wore those this past week in Boston.
You made my day. That's friggin' hilarious.
Loungo must be eating contaminated oysters in Boston as he has a bad case of the sh*tz.
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 17:12
I want a close game. At least that's how the Vancouver games have been thus far.
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 20:48
looks like it's going to be a dark day for hockey
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 20:54
manofmystery wrote:
looks like it's going to be a dark day for hockey
Yup.
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 20:54
manofmystery wrote:
looks like it's going to be a dark day for hockey
you mad?
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 22:11
Awesome day here in Titletown!
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 22:26
No surprise Thomas got the MVP. Great job by the Bruins. They definitely earned it!
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 22:41
Evolver wrote:
Awesome day here in Titletown!
^ Exactly why its a dark day for hockey. God, I hate Bostonians.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 22:42
manofmystery wrote:
Evolver wrote:
Awesome day here in Titletown!
^ Exactly why its a dark day for hockey. God, I hate Bostonians.
lol
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 15 2011 at 23:12
Yeah- this poll was just a biiiiit off.
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 01:10
I would like to apologize on the behalf of all of Vancouver for the poor sportsmanship that we have displayed. What a f**king embarrassment.
Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 01:57
I has a sad.
Mike, I personally believe that a small group of hooligans is making an entire city look bad. I am disappointed, but I still think the majority of the city is rad.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 02:52
Canada chokes again!!!
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 03:38
rdtprog wrote:
Padraic wrote:
I'm rooting for the Bruins. Hope they can force a game 7 tonight.
They will! It's a schizophrenic series. Each team have showed different personnality. It looks that the Bruins can't get pass the time lag syndrome. If the Bruins can score 2 goals in game 7, they will win the Cup.
Yes, i was right on the button! I had the feeling that the Bruins were about to win their first road game. I would have been disappointed to see a team giving so many goals win the series.
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 08:02
King By-Tor wrote:
I would like to apologize on the behalf of all of Vancouver for the poor sportsmanship that we have displayed. What a f**king embarrassment.
Agreed,but it was a small minority of a****les and the city of Vancouver and its citizens shouldn't be blamed as a whole.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 08:37
TheProgtologist wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
I would like to apologize on the behalf of all of Vancouver for the poor sportsmanship that we have displayed. What a f**king embarrassment.
Agreed,but it was a small minority of a****les and the city of Vancouver and its citizens shouldn't be blamed as a whole.
Yeah, at least they were classy enough in the building to cheer when they were lifting the Cup. They booed Bettman though, but that's good.
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 08:52
TheProgtologist wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
I would like to apologize on the behalf of all of Vancouver for the poor sportsmanship that we have displayed. What a f**king embarrassment.
Agreed,but it was a small minority of a****les and the city of Vancouver and its citizens shouldn't be blamed as a whole.
This. I still want to visit the city someday.
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 09:51
I think the Canucks have a good shot. The home team hasn't lost in this series yet. Plus the Bruins have won in like 3 decades.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 09:52
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I think the Canucks have a good shot. The home team hasn't lost in this series yet. Plus the Bruins have won in like 3 decades.
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 10:11
Our little Tim Thomas has grown up to be the MVP of the Stanley Cup finals. I got to watch him as a young pup goalie playing for the Detroit Vipers. He was quite horrible then. I can't tell you how many "empty net" goals were scored on him because he wandered to far from the net to either get loose pucks that the other team beat him too, or skate out to meet an opposing player on a breakaway and having the opposing player just skate around him and score. We used to scream at the coach to put a leash on him to tie him to the net so he couldn't wander. It really is amazing to me that all of these years later he is an all-star goalie and now the playoff MVP. Congrats to him and the Boston Bruins. It is nice to see an Original Six team win the Cup again, and although the Boston area has had more than their fair share of Championships in recent years, 39 years is a loooooooooooong time to wait.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 10:36
I first though I watched the riots in athen, the demonstration against the greek tax policies, but then they said that it was in Canada in Vancouver and that sort of un-sportmanhip is childish (and are not good rolemodels for kids) they should punish with empty seats on the next 4 or 5 Vancouver games, it was worts then Hooligans it was vandalisme of worse sort, when the police have to use pepper spray and tear gas then it is more then some uhappy fans, it is criminla behaviour..
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 10:54
King By-Tor wrote:
I would like to apologize on the behalf of all of Vancouver for the poor sportsmanship that we have displayed. What a f**king embarrassment.
You're all supposed to be polite. What's the deal, buddy?
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 11:28
not when we lose a hockey game...
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 12:25
I was looking for you on the news Mike. I figured that I see you overturning police cars. (Like I have room to talk being from the Detroit area).
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 12:27
at that point I was in a warehouse full of jugglers
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 13:25
Apparently this pic is from the Vancouver riots:
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 13:38
"violence gets me going, baby."
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 14:47
And here i thought everyone was too stoned out there to resort to this kind of violence.
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 14:50
That's why! There was too much security during the game, so no one could break out their pipes!
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 16:16
There is so much truth to this. http://www.freep.com/article/20110616/COL32/110616045/Ron-Dzwonkowski-Imagine-Detroit-had-rioted-like-Vancouver?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE" rel="nofollow - http://www.freep.com/article/20110616/COL32/110616045/Ron-Dzwonkowski-Imagine-Detroit-had-rioted-like-Vancouver?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 16:27
King By-Tor wrote:
That's why! There was too much security during the game, so no one could break out their pipes!
The Olympics must have really cramped some people's style as well.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 16:51
Mellotron Storm wrote:
And here i thought everyone was too stoned out there to resort to this kind of violence.
I doubt the doping-growing hippies that flock the west coast attend much violent sports.
Well, the Bruins are my fave US team, so I'm not all that disappointed...
To be fair, I was not confident of the Canucks' chance once they got blown out in the two Beantown games....
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 18:03
King By-Tor wrote:
not when we lose a hockey game...
Is that Ellen Page, posing in front of the fire, in the black top?
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 19:07
I wish i could pull up the front page of todays Toronto Sun with the picture of Chara on it with the cup above his head with his eyes closed.I don't think i've ever seen anyone as happy as he is at that moment.He looks like he's going to explode.
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 19:28
Mellotron Storm wrote:
I wish i could pull up the front page of todays Toronto Sun with the picture of Chara on it with the cup above his head with his eyes closed.I don't think i've ever seen anyone as happy as he is at that moment.He looks like he's going to explode.
Probably the least deserving member of the team, too. If he were a few inches shorter he wouldn't have any chance to make an NHL roster. "Skill" is completely tied in to his freakish reach. Recchi might be less deserving, actually, since he should've retired 5-6 years ago and has simply been along for the ride.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 20:40
Dear Boston,
Thank you for keeping me from getting arrested while trying to gouge Raffi Torres' name off the cup with my fingernails.
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 20:49
manofmystery wrote:
Mellotron Storm wrote:
I wish i could pull up the front page of todays Toronto Sun with the picture of Chara on it with the cup above his head with his eyes closed.I don't think i've ever seen anyone as happy as he is at that moment.He looks like he's going to explode.
Probably the least deserving member of the team, too. If he were a few inches shorter he wouldn't have any chance to make an NHL roster. "Skill" is completely tied in to his freakish reach. Recchi might be less deserving, actually, since he should've retired 5-6 years ago and has simply been along for the ride.
Well hopefully Recchi will retire and we'll never hear from him again. I still can't believe the Bruins won the cup, this just doesn't make any sense to me,well except that amazing goaltending can take you all the way.
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: June 16 2011 at 23:04
I was very disappointed in the loss being a Canuck's fan for 35 years. I, and I think the team lost confindence in Luongo after games 4 and 5, especially in game 6 after the 3rd. goal as I could hear the bench say, "ahhh". Totally deflated, as was I. When you lose confidence in your goaltender the team plays differently, most reserved, not aggressive offensively, nervous, tentative, stiff, etc. as I could see in game 7.
The difference, and it was a huge difference, was in the goaltending and probably more than other Stanley Cup final I've watched. I place 95% of the blame on Luongo. He chocked... he more than choked. There is no excuse, he's getting paid big bucks to at least keep it close. Hell, it wasn't even close. Sure he played well in the other home games. Three good games, four brutal games. That doesn't cut it.
The Canuck's signed him last year to 12 year contract at roughly 5 million a year on average(sliding scale system). "Crazy", I said at the time. Five years, OK, but 12! He's past his prime IMO and with that big contract how/when is the team going to move him in the future, but in the meantime we have a very good, young developing goalie in Cory Schnieder which the team is most likely going to lose this summer. Luongo was the face of the franchise. I think that has now changed.
I'm not making any apologies for those idiots that went on an immature crusade and so they could film themselves with thier cell phones and post it on youtube. I think the riots would of happened if the Canucks did win. Just a bunch of punks looking for an excuse to raise hell. Throw 'em in jail for a week. They'll think twice next time.
Congragulations to the Boston Bruins and especially Tim Thomas who had one the best years as goalie in the history of the NHL. Conn Smythe winner and no doubt the Vezina as well. Best save % all time and just a great guy who paid his dues to finally make it to the big league through hard work, perceverance and determination. Way to go Timmy.
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 17 2011 at 12:29
harmonium.ro wrote:
Apparently this pic is from the Vancouver riots:
The apparent story behind the pic. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/17/riot-kissers-tentatively-identified/?hpt=hp_p1&iref=NS1" rel="nofollow - http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/17/riot-kissers-tentatively-identified/?hpt=hp_p1&iref=NS1
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: June 17 2011 at 15:56