Is Bela Bartok prog?
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Topic: Is Bela Bartok prog?
Posted By: Man Overboard
Subject: Is Bela Bartok prog?
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 17:53
I've been listening to a bit of his work... it sounds like a
classical King Crimson! Anyone know where I can get albums of his
compositions being performed decently? 
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 17:57
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Anywhere that sells classical music... I agree though - strong Bartok influence in KC. If you want to hear a perfect blend of the two then why not try After Crying for size? I reckon you'd dig 'em, MO. |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 18:01
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What's a good album to start with?
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 18:03
Megalazottak
Es Megszomoritott. You can take a look at my review for it here (nudge,
nudge): http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=539
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 18:06
How can I trust you? You're British.  *reads review, is convinced entirely, and places an order immediately*  ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 18:09
 It's an absolute f**king masterpiece. You'll be hooked in no time!
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 18:11
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Did you listen to "The Miraculous Mandarin" by Bartok? If not, then I highly recommend it. The first public rendition of it in Cologne, conducted by Jenô Szenkár, caused one of the biggest scandals in the history of music. The lord mayor of Cologne, a certain Konrad Adenauer (who later became the first chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany), forbade further performances. -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Man Overboard wrote:Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 18:11
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Trousy, have you checked out Flying Food Circus yet? It's pretty
much the proper Samlas Mammas Manna of the 21st century, featuring
Hasse Bruniussen... I don't have any Samlas albums, but the song
on the archive is a LOT like FFC's stuff.
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 18:14
I'm investigatin' lad! I'm very strapped for cash right now so I've got a huge backlog of albums I want to purchase, but I'm hunting for an mp3 or two to give me a rough notion of the album. It's almost certain that I'll be getting it regardless. YOU, meanwhile, should get hold of some Samla albums! Maltid and Kaka are the way to go! |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 18:16
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There's samples here: http://www.burlesco.com/ - Burlesco I can host a couple tracks from the album on my server if ya wanna hear 'em, just tell me which tracks! ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 18:27
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Listening to the samples right now... well, that's another demand on my overstretched wallet... *sighs* If there's one thing guarenteed to sell an album to me it's silly noises. |
Posted By: nacho
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:08
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Before this is moved to the non-prog section: agreed on Bartok!!! The Concert for Orchestra is one of my favourites pieces of music. And yes, you can find many recordings out there. There are some recomendations in the Gramophone Recommended Recordings service ( http://www.gramophone.co.uk/recrecordings.asp - http://www.gramophone.co.uk/recrecordings.asp ), but not too many... Also agreed on After Crying!!! If you already placed the order I'm sure you won't be disappointed. I'm particularly fond of their album Bootleg Symphony: it's basically classical music, but including for example a rendition of KC's The Great Deceiver (on orchestra)...
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:13
It shouldn't be moved to Non-Prog... Bartok, Flying Food Circus, Samlas, and After Crying are all prog...  Edit: Sampled a track from Bootleg Symphony... the Great Deceiver part is BRILLIANT! I MUST hear more of these guys. WHY does online ordering TAKE SO LONG!? ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:19
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Bartok is classical as is the name of this thread, MO. The rest of it maybe prog but not the title. I remember learning a few simple compositons by Bartok when I took piano lessons ages ago. Very tricky and intricate without being bombastic if I remember.
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:20
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Blaaaah. If we can include Krautrock and RIO and other things retroactively as prog... meh.
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:22
To be fair... they ARE prog. Bartok is classical. Proggy classical, but classical nonetheless - got to draw the line somewhere! |
Posted By: nacho
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:22
Can you edit the thread title to read "Is Bela Bartok prog?" That way it will stay!  ------------- Eppur si muove |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:23
There we go.------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:25
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SORTED!
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:30
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Be nice young man.
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:44
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Ouch, topic got moved anyway. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:45
Indeed...  I retract my last statement.
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:45
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You could amend it to read "sordid".
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Posted By: nacho
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 03:41
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There is no respect in the forum these days
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:42
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Ex Police guitarist Andy Summers mentioned at some length that both he
and Robert Fripp used to play Bartok pieces transcribed for the guitar
as duets for fun and if you listen to Bartok, much of it would work
very well on the guitar. Personally I would have LOVED to see Fripp
& Summers play these live. Much of the work on 'I Advanced Masked' the Fripp/Summers collaboration recorded back in the early 80's sounds very Bartok like. Interestingly enough, this album was the first to feature Fripp with his newly devised New Standard Tuning.  ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:34
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the first time i saw "the shining" i thought it freaked me out. now i don't really like the movie so much, but i do watch it for the music. bartok was a genius. favorite works: romanian folk dances, the mysterious mandarin, all three piano concertos, and all solo violin pieces and violin sonatas.
he was definitely prog, just not prog rock. ------------- 
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Posted By: ita_prog_fan
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 11:05
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Bartňk Piano Concertos - Peter Donohoe / Birmingham Symph Orch. / Simon Rattle EMI 7 54871 2
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 02:47
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Bartok is also a strong influence in Univers Zero's works. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Biggles
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 23:16
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Bartok and Stravinsky could easily be considered the forefathers of prog. ------------- The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe. http://www.last.fm/user/sbonfiglioli/?chartstyle=red"> 
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