The Grateful Dead for Prog Related
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: The Grateful Dead for Prog Related
Posted By: Svetonio
Subject: The Grateful Dead for Prog Related
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 11:53
| You don't have so much time left to add The Grateful Dead - 2012 is to draw near! |
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 11:56
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I'd say no. But, like I posted on your suggestion for Pete Townshend, you'll need the support of a Special Collab, read more here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942761#3942761" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942761#3942761 ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 11:59
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Grateful Dead have only been suggested 50 times. Maybe after another 50 suggestions the minds will still not be changed. ------------- 
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 12:55
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andyman1125 wrote:Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 13:33
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I happen to think they belong here as prog related, but I suspect I would be voted down. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 13:35
Yeah you will!  Actually I have no idea as i have never heard them.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 14:07
And adding their discography would be an Herculean task.
But they wre more progressive than Bjork, or the Talking Heads...  ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 14:47
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Bj maybe but not more than the TH. The main disappointment for me with the band is that they were supposed to be some sort of groovy psychedelic band but most of their stuff over the years was waaay too country. I've been to a couple of shows before JG died and compared to all the prog greats I was left wondering what the big deal was. Guess I needed to do LSD, which may explain things. If you're tripping on acid you need something to mellow you out before you totally freak out. Cool t-shirts though. and I do like Terrapin Station. But most of the rest I can leave behind. Maybe I just haven't heard the really good stuff yet.... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 14:50
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I must disagree about the TH.
Poor singing, simplistic songwriting.
Good production.
Not prog at all. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 14:52
^ It's a suggestion for Prog-Related, not a prog category.  Were they ever evaluated for Prog-Related by the Admin Team? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 15:00
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 17:12
Yes, around one year ago I believe... a pretty emphatic 'no'.
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 18:10
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I mean, this could happen, they were the original "jam band" and we include many of those here on PA. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 18:36
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I've said it before and I'll say it again; when they were on, they were among the finest live rock acts in the world, and the finest of the bands that had stayed together so long |
Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 18:42
I think it might take for this to happen before you'll see the Dead here.
And as Andy said above, for Prog Related you'll need the support of a SC and a very strong argument in favour. If you check the numerous previous threads suggesting Grateful Dead you'll see that they have a lot of SC support. However, with over 130 albums to plough through to find the best music examples (and many of those albums are double or triple CDs!) that's a massive undertaking.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 18:57
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^ but it wouldn't require someone to listen to all that, just certain albums. Further, it would be the slightly over 20 releases in their lifetime that would be important to add to PA, not the endless list of compilations, boxsets, and Dick's Picks or other fan releases (though those could also be added over time by anyone who wanted) |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 03 2011 at 19:00
I can't fathom how these guys arent already in PA. When Journey is.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 01:36
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As everybody knows, Psychedelia was one of the most important social and artistic movements in the History of 20th century. Music, visual arts, poetry, movies, clothes fashion, everything have been changed with Psychedelia. The bands have no need to record a few hit singles before a debut album anymore. Illustrators, photographers and graphic designers get absolutly freedom to make the album jackets on the way what they liked to do. After Psychodelia alot of things were possible, including that great British Progrock movement. So, The Dead as an essential part of that 60s Psychedelia movement aswell, would be add as Proto Prog act too..
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Posted By: thwok
Date Posted: December 31 2016 at 07:22
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The Grateful Dead were every bit as innovative and "progressive" as Jefferson Airplane, for instance. If Jefferson Airplane belongs here, so does the Dead. ------------- I am the funkiest man on the planet! |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: December 31 2016 at 09:23
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They definitely at least belong in Proto Prog, and IMHO a case could be made for Prog Folk. ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 31 2016 at 11:11
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No. If Queen isn't credentialed enough to be considered at least Crossover, then GD has no business being anywhere near the library. We might as well add Elvis to PR. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 31 2016 at 12:09
| As good as the GD are, with their MASSIVE library of work, only few albums are Progressive. It wouldn't work to included them here, much as I wouldn't mind. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 31 2016 at 12:31
The trouble with this statement, Tom, is that they only need the one progressive rock album to qualify ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 31 2016 at 13:57
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Blues For Allah, that'd do it ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: December 31 2016 at 17:31
I DO believe they could belong here even NOW.  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 31 2016 at 17:34
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Uh-oh. Times are a changin'. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 31 2016 at 22:23
Just checked - they ARE here  Wow. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 31 2016 at 22:59
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^ One of the reasons that's an important guideline is because, even at its height in the 1970s, prog rock was both predominant and uncommon compared to the commercial song market, and so any band that released a prog record is significant and worthy of documentation. The fact that later they may have gone in a different direction is irrelevant. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: December 31 2016 at 23:12
Bwahaha! Tom, I'm just as surprised as you, I think I checked around the site only a few weeks back (looking at that Dragon band we liked from Belgium) and I was sure I didn't notice the NZ band, but from the looks of it, they've been on the site for almost two years now!  Clearly it's us Aussies that are the sleepiest! 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 00:18
This is an inevitable consequence of adding bands that are incrementally further separated from Prog than the previous band. There is only six degrees of separation between ItCotCK and every other album ever recorded - Grateful Dead run between 4 and 5 degrees. Welcome to the All Music Archives. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 02:54
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Well they're not here yet, and though I lean towards consideration I would respect others' views and frankly am not married to the idea. They were not art rock but if I see Bob Weir around town I'll ask if they considered themselves progressive rock. He'll probably start laughing uncontrollably. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 06:59
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The Allman Brothers were far more progressive than the Grateful Dead.... What, why are you glaring at me like that? ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 09:51
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The Marx Brothers were far more progressive than the Grateful Dead... ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 10:11
Yes, Harpo and Chico's introduction of classical music themes in slapstick was truly progressive. But I guess that would be considered pre-proto-prog.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 10:25
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Should there be a new policy? Maybe an artist has to have a certain percentage of prog albums? By similar logic, Judas Priest should be here for their very prog album "Nostradamus" but that is the only thing that even comes close to progressive in their 40 year career We'll all be screaming for vengeance if that happens  -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 10:42
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^ An ex-Admin told me as much years ago. Said that the "one album" thing is really a product of Max's early desire to get the site rolling. He felt that now established, the site should really expect long time "legacy" artists to have more prog than one album to be added. I took that advice on in my later years collaborating. I think we should expect more than one prog album, unless that album is spectacular and simply MUST be on PA. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 11:22
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^ i totally agree. As much as i love Priest, they don't belong here. There was talk on MMA to add Jethro Tull because they won an award for best metal album and i just don't think they belong there. While i do think Priest's one album would surely qualify them for inclusion if they were unknown and was their only album, because of their huge popularity as a NWOBHM band, i would strongly frown against it. I would vehementally oppose the Grateful Dead being here as well. They may have a few proggy influences here and there but there is nothing that i've heard that warrants them being here. Having said that, there is a whole list of artists i would weed out from here myself even the ones that are some of my favorite artists (Coil, Kate Bush, Triumph etc) but this site has much more consistent good quality and those are the little blips that i don't get worked up about. In short, please no Dead, pleeeease? Otherwise i'm voting yes for Kitaro  ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 13:52
| Don't suppose there could be a seperate 'heading' (much like 'Various Artists') that could include 'Prog Albums by Non-Prog Artists' whereby only the select odd albums by certain bands can be included without the inclusion of the band's entire discography ?? Would certainly garner some sort of interest ? |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 14:27
The late 70s trio of Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin and Stained Class would be to differ. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 15:19
Don't forget Rocka Rolla!
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 18:53
You totally SHOULD vote yes for Kitaro! His first few albums are real deal prog-electronic discs as worthy of inclusion as many artists under that banner on here, even if they are gentle discs (but there's a MASSIVE difference between `gentle electronic' and `wishy washy overly pretty New-Age') Carry on! |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 19:05
^ i'm struggling over it actually. BTW, has there ever been discussion towards the "every album" inclusion of discographies? Maybe now that the site has grown perhaps albums like Judas Priest's Nostradamus could be included without including every other non-prog album. I understand that would entail an individual labeling practice for each and every album but something that would make the site a tad truer to its objectives IMHO ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 01 2017 at 19:26
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Oh forgotten to say ... they've been rejected before I got to be an Admin, and I consider (as an Admin who follows ex-Admins' footsteps) they cannot be added ... sincerely. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 04 2017 at 16:53
Yes, many years ago. If memory serves, categorically rejected due to required massive database overhaul. I was one who thought (and continues to be thinkin) it a good idea...but very much understanding the difficulty it would entail. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 04 2017 at 17:47
| I've long wanted there to be an album-based category like, or a part of, Various Artists for albums deemed Prog by artists that are considered problematic due to discography concerns. Two of my faves for such a category have been William Sheller's Lux Aeterna and Donald Byrd's Electric Byrd. That would be a pretty easy thing to implement, although it could be problematic. |