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Topic: Your best Neo-band
Posted By: MANTICORE
Subject: Your best Neo-band
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 20:32
the first works of Pendragon, in special "the world" and Marillion of course


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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 20:41
Arena


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 21:20
Arena....with Marillion and Jadis close seconds

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Posted By: Canga
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 21:42
The latest IQ (from album Ever to present) and the first Marillion (Fish era), followed close by the latest Arena (from album The Visitor to present)

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Posted By: steelyhead
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 22:12
Marillion is the absolut king (fish era) and very close Arena.


Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 23:23
1. Marilion,  Arena
3. Pendragon, IQ

A lot of good stuff out there

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 23:47
i do not what is the deal with marillon
i do not find nothing amazing in their music if you want to call
them prog. i gave a lot ilstening to most of their record and the
flower king also and ai find them super boring and their musci
does not go any where, like the real 70's prog rock gigants


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 23:48
porcupine tree that it!!!!!!!!!!


Posted By: herbie53
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 00:07

I will not vote in MARILLION, because for me they are not neo-prog. Maybe in the early days, or the first recordings with Fish, but this belongs to the past... The sound of the band today is a hybrid of prog, alternative and pop that is amazing, very superior to any neo-prog band...

Then, my vote go to IQ. But I have to say: The best neo-prog album is PALLAS - The Sentinel !!! (If only the others albuns of the band were good as this...)



Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 00:29
If Porcupine Tree is considered neo-prog, they have my vote.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 02:13

5 neo prog albums I wouldn't want to be without:

1.IQ - Ever

2.Marillion - Seasons End

3.Par Lindh Project - Veni Vidi Vici

4.Magenta - Seven

5.Anglagard - Hybris



Posted By: the dragon
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 02:17

1 - IQ;

2 - Arena;

3 - Pendragon.

 

 



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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 03:03
Could someone explain to me please what NEO means?


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 03:07

Pendragon

Mostly I like innovative music, and Pendragon is one of the least innovative bands I know. Still, I love their music. Most of it, anyway.

Fevourite albums:

The Jewel

Kowtow

The Rest Of Pendragon

The Window Of Life

The Masquerade Ouverture



Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 03:09

Neo means NEW.

Anglagard is the only labled neo-progressive band that I feel is progressive at all, well they are more synfonic rock then neo I guess. Then In that case I wouldnt pick any.

 



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Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 03:11
If it were a life or death sitiuation Id pick I.Q. I guess.

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 04:04
Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Neo means NEW.

Anglagard is the only labled neo-progressive band that I feel is progressive at all, well they are more synfonic rock then neo I guess. Then In that case I wouldnt pick any.

I thought that neo means recycled in neo-prog ...



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 04:14
Twelfth Night


Posted By: Under
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 04:30

The old Marillion albums are great and certainly progressive.
At that time it was certainly new music they introduced. OK, the similarities with Old Genesis were there, but still it were masterpieces of the 80s.

IQ is OK and Pendragon is very nice to listen, not that progressive, but the folky voice and the Floyd-like guitarplay are good to digest.



Posted By: transend
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 04:35

1. IQ

2. Twelfth night

3. Pallas

4. Pendragon

5. Marillion

 

Arena suck so bad, I dont know how anyone can listen to them...



Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 04:38

No neo means new although I do find it quite rediculas to use the word "neo" with "proggressive" becouse the two do to a  certain extent share the same common meaning. If something is to be labled Progressive, it has to be original, new, and grounbreaking( Funny I never thought about this before) therefore it is quite obvius to see how most groups labled in this forum are not truley progressive but they are new in the sense that they have been around for the last 10+ years......so I soppose that is what Neo must mean in this forum atleast.

However, some music can be labled recycled becouse they are more of the same thing which therefor means they are not progressive as in the case of most of these titled "neo progressive" bands( although there are some new bands that are truley proggresive by definition, none of them however are on this forum-except anglaguard wich have a slightly didtinctive sound-or on your playlist).other truly progressive bands that have come in the last 10+ years are Echolyn, Happy family, White Willow, Ozric Tenticles, Fire Merchants, Opeth(to some degree) and a couple more that do not come to mind now.



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Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 04:41
I dont mean that any of the bands on this forum are bad(There pretty good to a degree, and i do enjoy some) but they just do not measur up to the definition.

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 04:50
Originally posted by transend transend wrote:

Arena suck so bad, I dont know how anyone can listen to them...

I only have Contagion, and it's quite boring. It has nice melodies and everything, but everything they do on this album has been done better by other bands.



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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 05:05
Marillion... otherwise neo prog is  (enough people have slammed prog metal, RIO, The Mars Votla and/or Radiohead in the last few weeks to bring me to the "sick" emoticon. It's serious stuff )


Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 05:11
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Marillion... otherwise neo prog is  (enough people have slammed prog metal, RIO, The Mars Votla and/or Radiohead in the last few weeks to bring me to the "sick" emoticon. It's serious stuff )
There is nothing wrong with RIO

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Posted By: the dragon
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 05:18
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by transend transend wrote:

Arena suck so bad, I dont know how anyone can listen to them...

I only have Contagion, and it's quite boring. It has nice melodies and everything, but everything they do on this album has been done better by other bands.

I don't think Contagion is a boring stuff. Anyway, try to listen a previous work, "The Visitor".This is the best ARENA album I've heard so far. Arguably the apex of the band. Very complex, good melodies and a lot of Nolan's keyboard. I expecially like the really great opener "A Crack in the Ice", Imo one of the best song of the group.



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Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 05:43
To me The Flower Kings without doubts, despite all the useless filler they stuff their albums with!
Then come Spock's Beard, and third Marillion

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Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 05:45
The first neo prog band that makes a cd of the sound of them burning on a pyre. 






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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 05:48
Flower Kings neo prog? Anglagard neo prog? I don't see it.


Posted By: DarHobo
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 06:42
Although I love Marillion, IQ, and Arena, I'd have to say my favorite "neo" prog bands are The Flower Kings and Porcupine Tree.


Posted By: Richardw
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 06:45

IQ definitely for me.



Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 06:58
Solstice

Fallen and forgotton soldiers of uk prog. I salute you for all of those wonderul Marquee gigs and for being genuinely different from the rest of the crowd even though your debut album was less than masterful.



Twelfth Night


A fantastic band and Geoff Mann is much missed. They produced (IMO) one of the best prog live albums of all time in Live & Let Live.



Pallas

You created my favourite prog EP with Knightmoves and you remain a fantastic live band to see.






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Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 06:58

1. IQ

2. Marillion

3. Pendragon

4. Twelfth Night

5. Pallas

6. Sylvan

7. Collage

8. Jadis

9. Arena

10. Aragon

11. Clepsydra

12. Abraxas

13. Final Conflict

14. Landberk

15. La Tulipe Noire

16. Quidam

17. Iluvatar

18. Satellite

19. Galahad

20. Galleon

accidental order

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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 07:15
I don't have that many neo-prog CDs in my collection, but out of those that I do have:

1) Marillion
2) Arena
3) IQ
4) Mr So & So
5) Pendragon
6) Landmarq
7) Pallas
8) Flamborough Head


Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 07:33
The Flower Kings - I love their epics. About the only neo-prog that does it for me.


Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 07:53
I think that IQ & Jadis are at the top of the tree... Marillion, Arena, Pallas & Pendragon are in the second rank...

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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 16:54

Discipline

Pendragon

Sylvan

Satellite

Quidam



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Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 18:11

For now:

IQ - "Dark Matter"

Jadis - "More than meets the eye"

Quidam - "SurREvival"

Sylvan - "Artificial Paradise"



Posted By: Harold Demure
Date Posted: June 18 2005 at 11:46
1. Marillion (1. Script For..., 2. Fugazi)
2. IQ (1. Tales From The Lush Attic, 2. Dark Matter, 3. The Seventh House)
3. Arena (1. Songs From The Lions Cage, 2. The Visitor,   3. Contagion)
4. Satellite (A Street Between Sunrise And Sunset)
5. Pendragon (The Masquerade Overture)

These are my best neo-prog bands and albums.

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Posted By: arkitek
Date Posted: June 18 2005 at 11:50

Bands:

Pendragon!

IQ

Solo:

Fish



Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: June 18 2005 at 13:48
I only like Marillion, and possibly Fish's solo works.

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Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: June 18 2005 at 14:16
Originally posted by Valarius Valarius wrote:

Could someone explain to me please what NEO means?


Quoted from the first page on progarchives:

Neo Progressive:

The Neo-Progressive subgenre of progressive rock grew out of a movement in the early 1980s by a number of U.K.-based bands that focused on music that was deeper than new wave, both instrumentally and lyrically. The premier band of the genre was Marillion, who went from lengthy club tours to the top of the charts within a few years and dropped from popular favor almost as fast. Neo-Prog bands are generally influenced by early Genesis, Camel, and to a lesser extent, Van der Graf Generator and Pink Floyd. The music holds a much more lush sound than general rock, but lacks the sophistication of truly symphonic progressive bands like Yes or amel. Instrumentally, the bands tend to be characterized by a "noodling" approach that focuses on dynamic solos, and at its best, neo-prog lyrics are deep, insightful, and acerbic. Whether neo-prog is diluted progressive or adventurous pop depends on the point of view of the listener — most progressive rock listeners are likely to find the genre dull and unchallenging, while fans of AOR will find the mix more interesting than most rock bands. Although all of the major bands are still producing albums, the classic era of neo-prog effectively ended when vocalist Fish left Marillion in 1987.

Hope this help. 


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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 18 2005 at 14:31

That makes sense to me ... And explains why Spock's Beard and The Flower Kings are not neo-prog. IMO neo-prog is a thing of the 80s, and didn't manage to create enough momentum to make it to the 90s. Bands like Spock's Beard, Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings revived the 70s symphonic prog rock genre, and I'd prefer that over neo-prog ANY time.

But that doesn't mean that I'm right ... maybe at some time I will find what the excitement over IQ, Arena, Pendragon and Marillion is all about.



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Posted By: Edmund Kean
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 07:45
Errm ... Marillion, Solstice, Dead Flowers, Paradise Lost ... want a list???

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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 08:11
1. Marillion
2. Fish
3. Pendragon
4. IQ
5. Clepsydra


Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 08:31

No Ozric Tentacles.... interesting.

Too good I suppose.



Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 08:37
Originally posted by Edmund Kean Edmund Kean wrote:

Errm ... Marillion, Solstice, Dead Flowers, Paradise Lost ... want a list???


Can you give more some information about Paradise Lost?  The only Paradise Lost I'm aware of is the metal band, who are definitely not neo-prog.


Posted By: silvertree
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 09:26
Collage / Edge / Minimum Vital / Garden Wall


Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 10:31
TOOL first and OZRIC TENTACLES second



Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 10:39
Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

TOOL first and OZRIC TENTACLES second



Neither of which are neo-prog by any stretch of the imagination.


Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 10:48
Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

TOOL first and OZRIC TENTACLES second



Neither of which are neo-prog by any stretch of the imagination.

I dont give a sh*t about labels, this is what i like most!


Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 10:54
Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

TOOL first and OZRIC TENTACLES second



Neither of which are neo-prog by any stretch of the imagination.

I dont give a sh*t about labels, this is what i like most!


OK, I can accept that.  But it doesn't explain why you posted this in a thread about neo-prog bands.


Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:01

Actually Ozric Tentacles are neo-prog, they are just purely instrumental. They do lean towards neo-psychedelia mostly though.

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

I dont give a sh*t about labels, this is what i like most!

That's stupifyingly comical.

 



Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:04

Dream Theater

Ayreon

Ozric Tentacles



Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:09
Ozric Tentacles are argueable (I think they're Space Rock like Floyd), but DT, Ayreon and Tool are Progressive Metal. And even the more mellow parts are Symphonic Prog Rock, not neo-prog.

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Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:23

Like all other subgenres and prog in general, there's no absolute definition of what neo-prog is. I don't think OT are like Floyd at all, they are entirely different both in sound and style. Perhaps you just meant that they both could be categorized under space rock.

One thing is for sure: Ayreon, Dream Theater and Tool are definitely not in the same category as traditional neo-prog bands like Marillion, IQ and Pendragon.



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:27

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Flower Kings neo prog? Anglagard neo prog? I don't see it.

Don't worry Goosey they're not Neo Prog.



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Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:37
Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

TOOL first and OZRIC TENTACLES second



Neither of which are neo-prog by any stretch of the imagination.

I dont give a sh*t about labels, this is what i like most!


OK, I can accept that.  But it doesn't explain why you posted this in a thread about neo-prog bands.

I can post anywhere i like, that's my problem!


Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:58
Ehh, for the most part neo-prog is kinda dull to me. I do like Fish era Marillion and some Arena I guess. IQ, Pendragon, Iluvator, and Jadis I tried to like, and don't really dislike, but just didn't get all hot and bothered over. Just all kinda sound like the same ideas, just reheated and reserved.

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Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 13:11
Look guys i grown up with groups like eloy, rush, camel, gong, floyd, king crimson etc! All these new bands (you want to call them neo-prog) i dont care what label you put them on sound boring to me,they are bad copies of the older groups! Now they all sound the same to me except some very few like OZRIC TENTACLES, TOOL AND PORCUPINE TREE and they are new prog for me, i dont care if they play progmetal or space rock! I respect your opinion and you should respect mine!
After all the name of the thread is NEO-BANDS AND NOT NEO-PROG!!!



Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 13:25
Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Look guys i grown up with groups like eloy, rush, camel, gong, floyd, king crimson etc! All these new bands (you want to call them neo-prog) i dont care what label you put them on sound boring to me,they are bad copies of the older groups! Now they all sound the same to me except some very few like OZRIC TENTACLES, TOOL AND PORCUPINE TREE and they are new prog for me, i dont care if they play progmetal or space rock! I respect your opinion and you should respect mine!


I think the point is that neo-prog does not simply refer to newer prog bands, but is a pigeonhole that defines a specific sound as typified by bands like Marillion, IQ, Arena, etc...

Ozric, Tool, and PT are all awesome new prog bands, no question. But none are considered neo-prog.


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Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 13:30
Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Look guys i grown up with groups like eloy, rush, camel, gong, floyd, king crimson etc! All these new bands (you want to call them neo-prog) i dont care what label you put them on sound boring to me,they are bad copies of the older groups! Now they all sound the same to me except some very few like OZRIC TENTACLES, TOOL AND PORCUPINE TREE and they are new prog for me, i dont care if they play progmetal or space rock! I respect your opinion and you should respect mine!


I think the point is that neo-prog does not simply refer to newer prog bands, but is a pigeonhole that defines a specific sound as typified by bands like Marillion, IQ, Arena, etc...

Ozric, Tool, and PT are all awesome new prog bands, no question. But none are considered neo-prog.

The name of the thread is about new bands and not neo-prog bands!


Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 13:48
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The name of the thread is about new bands and not neo-prog bands!
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Hmm, seems to me the topic was Your best Neo-band, not your favorite new prog band.


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Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 14:01
FINALLY 
SO MY BEST NEO-BANDS ARE

TOOL
OZRIC TENTACLES

Mr Citanul!!


Posted By: nick63
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 15:02

Hello,

In a random order:

Magenta,
IQ,
Jadis,
Gallahad,
Mostly Autumn (is that neo-prog?  mmm ),
Glasshammer,
Strangefish,
Pallas,
Shadow Gallery,
Oliver Wakeman
Cyan,
Flower Kings   all togethered on the singel "All Around The World" ProgAID http://www.progaid.com - www.progaid.com

Galleon,
Guy Manning and his friend andy T with;
The Tangent.

Is  Porcupine Tree, RPWL, Riverside and / or Satelite Neo Prog too?



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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 16:02
The Ozrics are definitely not Neo-Prog - I should know, I played bass for them once


Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 16:12
Originally posted by nick63 nick63 wrote:

Hello,

In a random order:

Magenta,
IQ,
Jadis,
Gallahad,
Mostly Autumn (is that neo-prog?  mmm ),
Glasshammer,
Strangefish,
Pallas,
Shadow Gallery,
Oliver Wakeman
Cyan,
Flower Kings   all togethered on the singel "All Around The World" ProgAID http://www.progaid.com - www.progaid.com

Galleon,
Guy Manning and his friend andy T with;
The Tangent.

Is  Porcupine Tree, RPWL, Riverside and / or Satelite Neo Prog too?

More than half of those are not neo-prog.



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Posted By: tina
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 16:25
Arena, Clive Nolan & Oliver Wakeman


Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 16:44
Marillion, afcourse,just listen to Script and Clutching.


Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 17:10
Originally posted by Richardw Richardw wrote:

IQ definitely for me.

 

   IQ for me, too!!



Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 17:33
IQ for now


Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 17:37

Arena, Marillion, Pendragon, Clepsydra

IQ would be similarly mentioned if they didn't have the crap drumming. It totally spoils Ever, is it the same on Subterranea? I am seriously thinking of getting it but couldn't cope with it if the drumming was the same. Why do some groups over emphasize the drums? They only got it right for Seventh House and Dark Matter.

Currently listening to Satellite, Collage and Carptree



Posted By: bamba
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 17:42
Marillion and Arena.

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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 18:30
Originally posted by Cesar Inca Cesar Inca wrote:

Originally posted by Richardw Richardw wrote:

IQ definitely for me.

 

   IQ for me, too!!

IQ are bloody good Subterrannea has many fine moments but I also really like Porcupine Tree and TFK'S,Arena, Riverside and Marillion with Fish were quite excellent.I can't go all these irritating tags; Neo this and Neo that, if it's good prog music it'll do for me. And the mightily impressive Mostly autumn.


Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 18:37
clepsydra

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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 18:39

 

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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 18:40

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

clepsydra

I've got a cream that will cure that..........



Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 18:53

anything from:

IQ

Collage

Marillion (till Brave)

Pendragon

Pallas

Clepsydra

Iluvatar

Twelfth Night

Jadis

Arena

Chandelier

Steve Hackett (Defector + Spectral Mornings)

 

 

But, you guys, how can you forget

VIOLET DISTRICT and ARAGON?????????Confused

 



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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 02:30
Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

Arena, Marillion, Pendragon, Clepsydra

IQ would be similarly mentioned if they didn't have the crap drumming. It totally spoils Ever, is it the same on Subterranea? I am seriously thinking of getting it but couldn't cope with it if the drumming was the same. Why do some groups over emphasize the drums? They only got it right for Seventh House and Dark Matter.

Currently listening to Satellite, Collage and Carptree

Paul Cooks drumming is absolutely fine on Ever.



Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 02:40

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Look guys i grown up with groups like eloy, rush, camel, gong, floyd, king crimson etc! All these new bands (you want to call them neo-prog) i dont care what label you put them on sound boring to me,they are bad copies of the older groups! Now they all sound the same to me except some very few like OZRIC TENTACLES, TOOL AND PORCUPINE TREE and they are new prog for me, i dont care if they play progmetal or space rock! I respect your opinion and you should respect mine!
After all the name of the thread is NEO-BANDS AND NOT NEO-PROG!!!

I agree with your opinion on Ozric Tentecles and Tool( Lateralus only)......I seemed to have missed the "Neo-Band" part, Sorry



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Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 12:35
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by nick63 nick63 wrote:

Hello,

In a random order:

Magenta,
IQ,
Jadis,
Gallahad,
Mostly Autumn (is that neo-prog?  mmm ),
Glasshammer,
Strangefish,
Pallas,
Shadow Gallery,
Oliver Wakeman
Cyan,
Flower Kings   all togethered on the singel "All Around The World" ProgAID http://www.progaid.com - www.progaid.com

Galleon,
Guy Manning and his friend andy T with;
The Tangent.

Is  Porcupine Tree, RPWL, Riverside and / or Satelite Neo Prog too?

More than half of those are not neo-prog.


NAME OF THE THREAD: YOUR BEST NEO-BAND and not your best neo-prog


Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 02:46
Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

More than half of those are not neo-prog.


NAME OF THE THREAD: YOUR BEST NEO-BAND and not your best neo-prog


Considering that neo-prog is an accepted genre of prog, even though it may not say neo-prog, it's pretty clear (at least to most people who have posted on the thread) that a discussion of neo-prog is what was intended.  This is also made clear by the first post on the thread which lists two of the better known neo-prog bands, and doesn't attempt to put any other definition to neo.


Posted By: asturias
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 07:14
Originally posted by Cesar Inca Cesar Inca wrote:

Originally posted by Richardw Richardw wrote:

IQ definitely for me.

 

   IQ for me, too!!

IQ 



Posted By: felona
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:09
I  IQ 2

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Posted By: neo eric
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:26

Always the talking about neo-prog... if its prog or not, oh give me a brake! Of course it is. I think some people should find a description of what prog is (for example on this site, under "prog rock?") ...and then listen to neo-prog and do their own conclusion. I think the makers of this site know what prog is, and they have neo-prog as a genre. And finally, I think its stupid to always talk about different styles and genres, TAKE IT JUST AS MUSIK!!!!!!!  

MARILLION, PENDRAGON (maybe the greatest band ever, at least THE MASQUERADE OVERTURE speaks for that. I have just ordered the DVD; Live at last.. and more!!) , ARENA, AJALON IQ... I must listen more to neo-prog... I am sure I`ll find some more great bands.



Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:37
I've never doubted that neo-prog is a style of progressive music, it's just not one I particularly enjoy. Or at all, really. But hey, RIO's not for everyone - doesn't mean it's not prog either!


Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:42
Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

More than half of those are not neo-prog.


NAME OF THE THREAD: YOUR BEST NEO-BAND and not your best neo-prog


Considering that neo-prog is an accepted genre of prog, even though it may not say neo-prog, it's pretty clear (at least to most people who have posted on the thread) that a discussion of neo-prog is what was intended.  This is also made clear by the first post on the thread which lists two of the better known neo-prog bands, and doesn't attempt to put any other definition to neo.

Ok man anything you say, from now on when someone says death metal he means space rock and if  he talks about prog metal he means art rock! It seems that anything for you is neo-prog!


Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:50
Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

More than half of those are not neo-prog.


NAME OF THE THREAD: YOUR BEST NEO-BAND and not your best neo-prog


Considering that neo-prog is an accepted genre of prog, even though it may not say neo-prog, it's pretty clear (at least to most people who have posted on the thread) that a discussion of neo-prog is what was intended.  This is also made clear by the first post on the thread which lists two of the better known neo-prog bands, and doesn't attempt to put any other definition to neo.

Ok man anything you say, from now on when someone says death metal he means space rock and if  he talks about prog metal he means art rock! It seems that anything for you is neo-prog!


And how do you come to that conclusion?  The only bands I've described as being neo-prog are those that are generally accepted as being neo-prog.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 10:54

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Look guys i grown up with groups like eloy, rush, camel, gong, floyd, king crimson etc! All these new bands (you want to call them neo-prog) i dont care what label you put them on sound boring to me,they are bad copies of the older groups! Now they all sound the same to me except some very few like OZRIC TENTACLES, TOOL AND PORCUPINE TREE and they are new prog for me, i dont care if they play progmetal or space rock! I respect your opinion and you should respect mine!


I think the point is that neo-prog does not simply refer to newer prog bands, but is a pigeonhole that defines a specific sound as typified by bands like Marillion, IQ, Arena, etc...

Ozric, Tool, and PT are all awesome new prog bands, no question. But none are considered neo-prog.

The name of the thread is about new bands and not neo-prog bands!

you are right man!!!!

I have been listening to prog rock for the past 21 years and all these neo prog groups  are all very boring to me and unspiring. with the exceptions of the band you mentioned

Ozric tentacles ( the best of them all)

porcupine tree Dream theater ( 90's albums to now)

tool ( they are f**king ammazing)

 and that it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

forget the rest!!!!!!!



Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 11:22
Originally posted by darksideone darksideone wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Look guys i grown up with groups like eloy, rush, camel, gong, floyd, king crimson etc! All these new bands (you want to call them neo-prog) i dont care what label you put them on sound boring to me,they are bad copies of the older groups! Now they all sound the same to me except some very few like OZRIC TENTACLES, TOOL AND PORCUPINE TREE and they are new prog for me, i dont care if they play progmetal or space rock! I respect your opinion and you should respect mine!


I think the point is that neo-prog does not simply refer to newer prog bands, but is a pigeonhole that defines a specific sound as typified by bands like Marillion, IQ, Arena, etc...

Ozric, Tool, and PT are all awesome new prog bands, no question. But none are considered neo-prog.

The name of the thread is about new bands and not neo-prog bands!

you are right man!!!!

I have been listening to prog rock for the past 21 years and all these neo prog groups  are all very boring to me and unspiring. with the exceptions of the band you mentioned

Ozric tentacles ( the best of them all)

porcupine tree Dream theater ( 90's albums to now)

tool ( they are f**king ammazing)

 and that it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

forget the rest!!!!!!!


I love you man


Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 11:48

Well, with all due respect, I don't consider neo to be true prog. I really don't consider (Fish-era) Marillion or IQ neo-prog. I mean, IQ's latest album has a 24-minute epic on it - how can that be neo?

For pure neo, I like It Bites, Mr. So & So, ande Blue Shift. And for you neo-fans, I highly recommend you check out some of the symphonic bands of the 90s like Citizen Cain and The Watch. I think you'll leave neo behind.



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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 11:48
Which neo prog band?

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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 14:12
Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Well, with all due respect, if it's good it ain't Neo. I really don't consider (Fish-era) Marillion or IQ neo-prog. I mean, IQ's latest album has a 24-minute epic on it - how can that be neo?


That's a rather elitest statement . Just because you enjoy bands from a particular genre that you don't normaly like, doesn't automatically stop them from being in that genre.



Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 17:54

I don't like neo.

Sorry.



Posted By: Storm-Crow
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:41

No way Anglagard is Neo-Prog...Its an original brand of music and deserves recognition as such

Just because its more modern and has influences from 70's prog such as camel and yes doesn't make it neo.  It melodies in my opinion are superior to many of the most popular 70's prog bands.



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Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 21:00
Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Well, with all due respect, if it's good it ain't Neo. I really don't consider (Fish-era) Marillion or IQ neo-prog. I mean, IQ's latest album has a 24-minute epic on it - how can that be neo?


That's a rather elitest statement . Just because you enjoy bands from a particular genre that you don't normaly like, doesn't automatically stop them from being in that genre.

It's not an elitist statement. Rather, I feel that the neo-prog genre and prog per se are inherently contradictory. Neo-prog is relatively simple in structure and approach, while prog isn't.

There's nothing wrong with simplicity. As a huge fan of 60s garage music, both vintage and retro, I have more music tracks in the <3 minutes range in my music library than possibly anyone else on this newsgroup.

Certain bands, like IQ, I think are mislabled, and should be called symphonic. Most others - like Hogarth-era Marillion, Pendragon, Grey Lady Down, etc. - should probably be labled art rock.



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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 23:22
Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Well, with all due respect, if it's good it ain't Neo. I really don't consider (Fish-era) Marillion or IQ neo-prog. I mean, IQ's latest album has a 24-minute epic on it - how can that be neo?


That's a rather elitest statement . Just because you enjoy bands from a particular genre that you don't normaly like, doesn't automatically stop them from being in that genre.

It's not an elitist statement. Rather, I feel that the neo-prog genre and prog per se are inherently contradictory. Neo-prog is relatively simple in structure and approach, while prog isn't.

There's nothing wrong with simplicity. As a huge fan of 60s garage music, both vintage and retro, I have more music tracks in the <3 minutes range in my music library than possibly anyone else on this newsgroup.

Certain bands, like IQ, I think are mislabled, and should be called symphonic. Most others - like Hogarth-era Marillion, Pendragon, Grey Lady Down, etc. - should probably be labled art rock.

i disagree completely, I think the neo-prog genre is one of the better labels we have, for the simpler bands that take elements of both pop music and symphonic 70's prog, and seek to blend the two, and revive prog into a modern interesting form.



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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 00:42
Well, although I love Marillion, I.Q. and Arena, I must say, agreeing with Flowerchild, that Twelfth Night is my favorite Neo Prog band.  Their album, Fact and Fiction is my favorite of all the neo-prog out there, even beating out such great albums as Script for a Jester's Tear, The Seventh House, and Songs from the Lion's Cage.  I'm a recent convert to Twelfth Night, having heard Fact and Fiction for the first time about two years ago and since then I've managed to snap up all of the band's releases on cyclops.  For anyone who hasn't experienced the songs Creepshow or Human Being, get Fact and Fiction as soon as possible.

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Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 20:04

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

i disagree completely, I think the neo-prog genre is one of the better labels we have, for the simpler bands that take elements of both pop music and symphonic 70's prog, and seek to blend the two, and revive prog into a modern interesting form.

Then what's the difference between art-rock and neo-prog?



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