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Topic: Same album - 2 locations
Posted By: Evolver
Subject: Same album - 2 locations
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 15:27
The Rudess/Morgenstein album is listed under Jordan Rudess and Rudess/Morgenstein project.
 
I'm jes sayin'.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 15:35
Duplicated in other words. Thanks.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 15:39
I guess thast this one gets deleted or otherwise Project gets no albums at all. A b it careless of crossover but eassily fixed.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 15:45
^ It was an addition by a regular user. 


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 15:50
^ Yes one of them was. I know.

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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 15:54
You were right, I thought it was vice versa. 


Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 16:00
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Duplicated in other words. Thanks.
Replicated, too!

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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 16:00
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I guess thast this one gets deleted or otherwise Project gets no albums at all. A b it careless of crossover but eassily fixed.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894
Damn those crossover b*****ds! Angry I hate them!

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 16:07
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I guess thast this one gets deleted or otherwise Project gets no albums at all. A b it careless of crossover but eassily fixed.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894
Damn those crossover b*****ds! Angry I hate them!

You are right, I shouldn't have said that. Forgive me.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 17:04
Precedent was set by the PMT who added Rudess&Petrucci as separate artist even though both were included as solo artists - so when Rudess did another collaboration it was only natural to add that as yet another seperate entry.... then someone comes along and add the album under Rudess solo. 
 
 
There's a similar problem with the damn Sylvian/Fripp collaboration: The First Day and Damage are listed under Sylvian (after much buggering about moving reviews) then just as we think we've got that all sorted,  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9612" rel="nofollow - Jean The Birdman is now listed under Fripp.Ouch


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 17:09
^ Damn, http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9609" rel="nofollow - Darshan (The Road To Graceland) is also listed under Fripp

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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 17:24
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I guess thast this one gets deleted or otherwise Project gets no albums at all. A b it careless of crossover but eassily fixed.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894
Damn those crossover b*****ds! Angry I hate them!

You are right, I shouldn't have said that. Forgive me.
I took that as a tongue in cheek remark.
In that case, step outside and draw your sword, you cad! 


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 17:59
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


There's a similar problem with the damn Sylvian/Fripp collaboration: The First Day and Damage are listed under Sylvian (after much buggering about moving reviews) then just as we think we've got that all sorted,  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9612" rel="nofollow - Jean The Birdman is now listed under Fripp.Ouch

Moved "Jean The Birdman" to Sylvian:  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9612" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9612  and changed the cover (existing one belonged to 3-track single).


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 18:04
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ Damn, http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9609" rel="nofollow - Darshan (The Road To Graceland) is also listed under Fripp
Now it's Sylvian's.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 18:10
Thumbs Up
Jean the Birdman has two different covers because it was sold as two seperate discs.

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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 18:25
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I guess thast this one gets deleted or otherwise Project gets no albums at all. A b it careless of crossover but eassily fixed.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894
Damn those crossover b*****ds! Angry I hate them!

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Precedent was set by the PMT who added Rudess&Petrucci as separate artist even though both were included as solo artists - so when Rudess did another collaboration it was only natural to add that as yet another seperate entry.... then someone comes along and add the album under Rudess solo. 

Maybe both "damn" teams will change their minds? 


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 18:58
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I guess thast this one gets deleted or otherwise Project gets no albums at all. A b it careless of crossover but eassily fixed.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29894
Damn those crossover b*****ds! Angry I hate them!

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Precedent was set by the PMT who added Rudess&Petrucci as separate artist even though both were included as solo artists - so when Rudess did another collaboration it was only natural to add that as yet another seperate entry.... then someone comes along and add the album under Rudess solo. 

Maybe both "damn" teams will change their minds? 
Rudess & Petrucci as a double act was just a one-off live performance. Personally I don't think it should have been listed as a seperate "band" at all since they have no Studio recordings, but that is by-the-by as we don't delete artists, however in general I believe collaborations should have seperate entries if they have Studio albums.
 
" album.asp?id=8566" rel="nofollow - An Evening With John Petrucci and Jordan Rudess " was moved from Prog Metal to Xover because it isn't Metal, so the PMT are no longer involved.
 
Consistency is a problem here - Fripp & Sylvian is filed under Sylvian; Fripp & Eno have a seperate band age; Fripp & Summers is filed under Fripp; Fripp & Toyah is filed under Fripp; Nine Horses is filed under Sylvian; Sylvian and Czukay is filed under Sylvian.
 
Anyhoo - while anyone can add an album I can't see this changing anytime soon.
 
Oh yeah, we had two of these: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=32165" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=32165  - we've only got one now Smile
 


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 20:49
I agree Rudess - Petrucci doesn't need a separate entry. We did not delete artists before, maybe it's time to start? Smile


As for Sylvian - Fripp, Fripp & Eno, Fripp & others, Hensley - Wetton etc. Quite a long time ago I discussed the idea of, as I called it, "shared" albums with Easy Livin. We agreed then that it is not so easy to implement while the number of such mutual albums is not so big. Now we see it is not so small.

I explain the idea. 
Let's take, for example, some Sylvian - Fripp album. Now it's in Sylvian discography.
1. Imagine, we have some "Share" button for each album in Admin area.
2. Clicking this button opens the list of artists. Let's choose Fripp.

After this:
1. The album should be shown on both artists' pages.
2. If someone rates or reviews it on one page, the rating or review appears on another artist's page automatically.

Obviously, there could be more than 2 artists involved.

What do you think about this? Is it worth to suggest it to M@X?



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