Prog antichrist
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Topic: Prog antichrist
Posted By: Xanatos
Subject: Prog antichrist
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 06:23
Who is it? 
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Posted By: Iamthewalrus
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 07:11
Why we talk about Phil Collins?
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 07:17
You cannot speak of a "prog antichrist" without first knowing who the prog Christ is. 
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 07:25
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I am not sure what your definition of prog antichrist is can you please give us some more information it would be of great help thanks. ------------- 
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Posted By: Paravion
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 07:30
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Epiglottis wrote:
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 08:54
Duh. It's Vangelis. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: hobocamp
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 11:10
^ So very painfully obvious. 
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Posted By: Mastosis
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 12:40
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Mike Portnoy.
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Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 12:54
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Surely the Portnoy comment is a joke? |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 14:31
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Wrong. It must be Fish, according to his words starting at 2:51.
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Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 17:07
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Jazz antichrist  |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 03:18
More precisely, I think remembering that the antichrist is someone who doesn't believe in the Christ... Therefore, the "Prog Antichrist" would be someone who doesn't believe in, er, the "Prog Christ". Great. Now, we have to make a poll about who's this "Prog Christ"... Obviously, he must be a musician who started his career in the 80's or the 90's. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 04:12
Incorrect. The anti Christ is the opposite of Christ. The son of the devil in fact.(or fiction) Furthermore, if you believe that Christ is not only the son of god but also his earthly embodiment (as Catholics do) then it follows that the Antichrist is Satan himself.
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 08:09
Most definitely, Steve Hillage.  ------------- |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 08:25
Actually, 1 John 2:18 indicates that there is more than one antichrist, and that many have already come: Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. Then 1 John 2:22 explicitly tells us precisely what the antichrist is: Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. In 2 John 1:7, John also says I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. One assumption commonly made is that Paul's "man of lawlessness" in 2 Thessalonians 2 and the antichrist mentioned in John's epistles are one and the same, but no one ever seems to give any convincing literary justification for these being one and the same. Just like saying Lucifer = Satan = the Devil = the serpent in the Garden of Eden, these assumptions create fantastical doctrines that are based largely on sheer speculation and Medieval mythology rather than explicit scriptural cross-references and the common rules of the original languages. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 08:41
Well I'm not going to argue with a Christian about it.  So the Antichrist being the devil is mythology added later? The original meaning is not very satisfactory anyway. It means I am an antichrist amongst millions of others.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 08:55
Well, I'm pretty convinced that there is no "Devil," no "Satan," no invisible malefactor running around tempting people, and I can give a hundred reasons why not. The first is that these words in the bible are common nouns, but because of tradition, are rendered proper nouns by translators. Diábolos (translated Devil) means "slanderer" or "accuser." Satanas (translated Satan) means "adversary." The former term has a negative connotation (it generally would refer to a false accuser, like the false witnesses at Christ's trial). The latter term is more neutral- it refers to an opponent. Hence, Jesus called Peter "Satan," ("get behind me Satan") because Peter was going against his master's plan. There's an interesting part of the Old Testament where David takes a census. 2 Samuel 24 says God moved David to take a census, while 1 Chronicles 21 says Satan provoked David to number Israel. So many people do all sorts of literary and theological gymnastics to reconcile this idea, when there is no problem at all if the language is taken at face value. In context, God's anger was kindled against David and Israel, so he was acting as an adversary to them (i.e., a satan). Yet tradition unfortunately provides us with a number of convoluted and needless solutions to a problem that only exists because of silly traditions. One other reason I am confident that a single being called the Devil or Satan does not exist is because if he did, and if he could tempt everyone in the world at the same time (as Christians worldwide will say they are tempted by Satan), that would mean Satan is omnipresent- in other words, Satan has an attribute that biblically speaking, only God alone has. So to answer your question, the prevalent ideas about both the Antichrist and the Devil are false teachings and depend entirely upon a poor interpretation of what the Bible actually says. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 09:00
Sorry, just what the Bible says.  The "need" for there being one major super Antichrist or one major super Devil character stems from a Westernized sense of yin and yang, quasi-Zoroastrianism that says that if there is one major super good guy there must be one major super bad guy, and the good guy will triumph in the end. But this isn't Arthur and Mordred. That just isn't what the Bible teaches.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 15:26
I agree with the danger of making leaps while interpreting the Bible and that many people don't actually know what they believe or why they believe it. However, the Bible clearly teaches that a supernatural, yet limited, fallen angel called Satan that was cast out of heaven. He is "roaming the earth" and not living in hell with a pitchfork and red tail like many people believe. One way to look at it is that he directly doesn't tempt people but that his physical demons do. I think the more logical explanation though is that it more symbolic, that Satan brought the idea of evil into the world which man chooses and thus becomes corrupted. I do agree, though that much is lost in translation and interpretation of what actually is the Devil. I mean, you hear southern Baptists that burn books because Satan is in them or the "God hates fags" dirtbags who are complete idiots. As for the Antichrist or antichrists, there are so many interpretations, and everyone is sure they're right, that it's pretty useless to debate. Since the Bible was written, people have been trying to guess what the end time prophecies mean and how it applies to them, but what has that accomplished? Perhaps since, for us, perception is reality, there is some merit to forming opinions on those things, but it doesn't actually accomplish anything. If people could know any of this for certain, there wouldn't still be the same debate over it that there has been for millennia. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 15:48
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Guys, guys, please, keep focusing on the Antichrist of PROG. So, now that we have cleared the discussion about the nature of the Biblical Antichrist, let's go to a more serious question: is Yoko Ono the Lilith of proto-prog? |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 15:52
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Ok. I go with Phil Collins. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:00
How utterly predictable ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:04
Responded http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56485&PID=4039931#4039931" rel="nofollow - here . ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:44
I would be thrilled to hear your highly original answer. |
Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 11:48
Well Hillage even looked like Christ (or shall we say the western idealized blonde blue eye Christ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyrxtVnc-28" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyrxtVnc-28 :) For antichrist, hmm, I have to give that a moment, and some beer for inspiration. ------------- Language is a virus from outer space. -William S. Burroughs |
Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 12:01
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Well, Nils Frykdahl of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum did a quite nice antichrist impression on "A Hymn to the Morning Star", but that of course is not really what this thread is about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eFd91CXfc0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eFd91CXfc0 ------------- Language is a virus from outer space. -William S. Burroughs |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 13:10
That guy's so f*cking scary, it's amazing. |
Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 14:35
Indeed. But i still think that band is very inventive. That too goes for the band Charming Hostess, where he is involved. I would put Frykdahl in the category of Crazy genius, with Frank Zappa and Mike Patton. ------------- Language is a virus from outer space. -William S. Burroughs |
Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 19:19
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 00:45
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The antichrist of prog is Marilyn Monroe er....... Manson. So anti hes not even prog but he admits to being the antichrist superstar. ------------- 
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