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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Subject: The Health Improvement Thread
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 05:55
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Last year I started a thread about low-carb. Since then I've read many more books about nutrition and exercise ... and even though I'm mainly discussing these topics in other forums, but I remember from last year that some people here were interested in them, as they're perhaps the most important topics overall. Who doesn't want to be healthy? Well, there may be some who are frustrated with nutritional advice and think that nobody knows anything really. I would disagree ... granted, there are many conflicting theories, but we can analyze them, or try them and see if they work, and then reach conclusions about what works, and what doesn't. Here's a list of strategies:
Currently my interest lies mainly in the first two - those are the main conflicting theories. When people are overweight or even obese, they have all these options. We might start by asking "what does common wisdom tell us?". As it turns out, today common wisdom tells us to eat less and exercise more, but until the 1970s it used to say "reduce starches (carbohydrate) and sugars". The latter is today called the low-carb approach, and it is what I have found, after reading 25+ books on dieting and exercise and having successfully tried it myself last year, to be the only approach that works. Now, I know that you can lose weight by many different means - I'm not saying that low-carb is the only one. But you don't only want to lose weight. The task is to change your body composition permanently. That means losing fat, preserving or even increasing lean tissue (muscle/bones/organs), and maintaining that effect indefinitely. In addition to all that you also want your health to improve. Statistically that is already implied, because statistics show that having a lean body is correlated with lower incidence of diseases like cancer, diabetes, gout, alzheimers, CVD and so on. But you'll typically also want your health markers to show that you're, well, healthy. That means blood pressure, resting heart rate, blood glucose/insulin, LDL (and LDL type/particle size), HDL and triglycerides. As it turns out, eating a diet that's high in fat but low in carbs can achieve all that. It somewhat depends on which types of fats you eat, but the list of healthy fats includes saturated fat, and particularly animal fat such as lard. So - what are your opinions? Please don't hesitate to post them - I will try to do my best to offer counterarguments when I think that a statement is wrong, but I'll try to make sure that I'm not just "religiously" defending the low-carb position. EDIT: I just found a video on You-Tube that's perfect for posting here. I agree with everything in it, it's representative of my position - except maybe when it comes to the carbs-insulin connection, which is IMO too simplistic as an explanation. At the same time it's quite entertaining, and I encourage you to give it a try ... you can still turn it off after a few minutes if you don't like it. For those who know me from the atheism thread(s): I guarantee that there's no atheist/religion angle in it - and neither is belief in evolution or paleolithic ancestors required.  BTW: Feel free to suggest other videos - not just those that agree with what I currently think to be true, but of course also contrary views. I'll be happy to watch and/or include them here, and after all, I did not create this thread simply to present or promote low-carb, but to discuss whether it's what I think it is: The only truly effective solution to the problem of obesity and diabetes, because it corrects the cause of the problem rather than working on the symptoms.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:11
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eat less for sure, you don't need more than 1 to 2 nutritious meals a day -- I'm not up on 'losing weight', more into strength, power and flexibility; however I have found that if you're exercising regularly you can eat more of what you want anyway, find an activity you like and PUNCH IT ! Then you can eat cheeseburgers or ice cream or whatever ..and here comes Mike to argue, but I don't care cause I teach martial arts and Pilates for a living   |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:11
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Hey Mike....
this has become a bigger obsession than your
 progmetal and  prograting manias  Has this weight thing become such an issue for you???... or you've become a health nut and would like to convert everyone to your new "religion"???
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I mean, yeah, I'm overweight, but it's not an issue in my health (yet, anyway) or my charms (never an obstacle, unless she's maniacal, but that means she's not worth it)....
soooooo if I try to control it (a bit), I'm not going to force myself either....
life is short..... way too short not to have a good one filled all of the earthly pleasures.....
I'd rather live 50 (gee, that's only three years away, now
 ) and die quickly and pailessly) and live out 100% pleasure than live to be 85 and only live 50% with no pleasures....stop worrying about this and enjoy food  .... it's good for you.... (morally anyway )------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:29
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I've dropped 8 pounds in the last month eating Ramen noodles and drinking beer everyday. No lie. And this includes gorging myself on about five holiday meals. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:35
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Hugues, I'm not here to convert anyone, but I'm certainly here to argue - that's what I enjoy the most. I'm currently still 20kg overweight, and I already lost about 20kg. I now weigh in at 98kg at 180cm height, which puts my BMI barely in the "obese" range. That's not very accurate, since I've gained a lot of muscle/strength last year, and the more muscle you have, the less the BMI applies. I've found a way to keep enjoying food and at the same time lose weight, improve health markers and gain strength. It's not at all like you say ("live out 100% pleasure than live to be 85 and only live 50% with no pleasures") ... those aren't the only two options. I'd rather live to be 100 and still have my health then. Sounds unlikely? Maybe it is, but the point is: Many people think that in order to improve their health they have to make big sacrifices. Giving up bread or pasta is a big sacrifice to some, but you're not only getting health benefits in return, but also other food choices that are, at least to me, equally satisfying. So to me it seems more like a trade than a sacrifice. BTW: I'm currently 35 years old - and while I have some general (economic) concerns about what my life will be like when I'm 50 years old, I know that I want to avoid diabetes. And if you're overweight or even obese, there's a good chance that you'll become diabetic, and your risk for CVD, cancer and dementia will skyrocket. I'd find it cool to die of old age instead. The beauty part about low-carb is that you get all the benefits with minimal sacrifice.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:40
I think this approach works for some - and it surely worked for me until I was about 25 years old. I'd do lots of cycling, volleyball, squash and even some weightlifting. But for some people as time goes by, their bodies start accumulating fat. Some of them try to stave it off by increasing excercise, but it doesn't work. Next time you go for a jog in the park, look at the other joggers - most of them will be overweight. The problem with increasing exercise is that it also makes you hungrier. That's where the phrase "working up an appetite" comes from. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Atavachron wrote:Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:41
Of course my first question would be: How many noodles, how much beer, what else did you eat and what did you do. BTW: What became of your low-carb efforts that you mentioned in the previous thread? ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:42
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^^^
you know Mike.... (geeeeeee, you really sound sooooo... serious)
i know of a few ascetes that set out to live as safely, soundly and healthily as possible and died in car crashes or from colon cancer.... life's unfair.... and there is no garantee you'll see the age of 50.... enjoy life, instead of extend it....
I must run, now,..... I'ver got loads of errants to do for tonight wine & cheese fest (not joking, btw)
BTw; keeping physically active (like using the stars rather than the lift) works and allows food excesses
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:52
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^ I'm way less serious about it than you might think ... and I still think that you can do both at the same time (enjoy life and improve health). BTW: Wine & cheese fest ... sounds like something that's largely compatible with my strategy. I guess there'll be bread, too ... I'd simply ditch the bread and eat the cheese instead. I'm certainly no ascete.  But like I said in response to Atavachron: For me the strategy of adding physical activity so that I can in return eat junk food ... for me that simply doesn't work anymore. It used to up until I was about 25, but since then attempting to do so has proven to be a vicious cycle, and in the end I simply got fatter. I have to run, too ... to the gym. I'm going there twice a week, to do a circuit based strength training for about 1 hour. It's really intense, but it really works (increasing strength).
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:56
yes and I shouldn't talk, as I've always burned weight quickly |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:57
I eat 2 packs of Ramen for lunch (190 calories x 4). However, I use extra water, so the fat of the noodles and much of sodium are drained off (this is done so more because of taste for me than for health reasons). Beer- my usual 12 or so a day. I also drink about 3 cups of coffee in the morning and about a half a gallon (64oz) of water each day. I ate breakfast maybe every other day. Usually a couple eggs. For dinner, we eat our usual meals- usually involving chicken or ground beef, rice or beans, tortillas or potatoes, and a vegetable of some sort. I do grill out about twice a week. We indulge in cheese. Edit: Well, we have not had pizza in two months (and I love pizza- we used to eat it once every two weeks). What else did I do? Sit at a desk for about 14 hours a day. Sleep 8 hours. The other 2 hours could be spent playing with the kids or watching TV I guess. I haven't exercised once since I moved other than play with the kids. I did the low-carb thing for about 2 months. I'd say I lost 10 pounds during that time and then severely plateaued. I began a lifting weights, but that did nothing as far as my weight was concerned. Steadily, the weight came back. Now that I've moved, I've lost 8 pounds in a month and really haven't changed my lifestyle or diet. Maybe it's all this praying I do. The only thing I can really think of is that it is colder in NC than it is in FL. And it isn't so humid. I sleep better here than I did in FL- I generally feel well rested and my concentration has improved. I think getting better sleep has helped me lost weight. Oh, and more sex.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 07:10
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Did you only keep track of the weight? You didn't lose or gain substantial amounts, and much of it is due to water retention. Plus when you started lifting weight, you might have been gaining lean body mass - which can mask the weight loss. You can use a body fat scale to keep track of your body fat percentage - but the easier solution is to track your trousers size. I went down from 42/32 to currently 36/32. Or rather 36/30, which is a bit odd since I definitely didn't grow shorter ... I guess it's how the trousers are cut, and because I've always been somewhere between 30 and 32. But since you mentioned sleep and sex ... yes, stress (relief) and rest are definitely factors in fat loss. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 07:19
I have a scale that measures water and body fat- no significant changes with either. My pants size is the same, but with my genes (jeans? ), most of the fat is stored in the midsection. My shirts fit a bit better, so I'm guessing that's where much of the loss occurred. I can also detect some slight changes in my face.------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 07:31
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I guess it boils down to how important it is for you to get rid of this belly fat. What you can't easily ignore is that it indeed comes with increased risk of CVD, cancer, diabetes etc.. Sure, many people simply shrug it of and say "well, that's just how it is - you have to die from something", but I think that it's better to do something about it while you can. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 07:42
| I gained wieght (around 10 to maybe 15 extra kilos) in the last years, firstly because of my last year at the job when I was working all day long so my eating and living habits got stronly derailed, and then because of the next two years (until now) when I enjoyed my freedom of not having to do anything by sitting my ass on a chair all day and roaming around the internets. That's embarassing for me, but the good thing is that once I get reintegrated a rutine of daily activity (and I don't want something crazy similar to my last job), I expect an optimization of my over-all health status. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 07:47
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Sedentary behavior ... that ties into the "calories in / calories out" approach (eat less, exercise more). Maybe it will work for you, and increasing activity will automatically make you lean again. If it doesn't, remember this thread. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 09:34
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Here's a nice example of the controversy between "calories in / calories out" and "reduce carbohydrate": ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 13:07
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just thought I'd precise that I'm not a totally insensible SOB 5i (actually I am one, but not these issues
) about your plight and angst...; I'm just questionning the vality of your plight...Given your height and wait, you're not doing bad... (although you're only 35)... I don't think anyone on the street would call you anything more than chubby or slightly fat.... Obesity is when it gets problematic
but you shouldn't get stuck by these miore or less insuling medical terms like "obesity" (as soon as you 5kg overweight by THEIR standards) or "morbid obesity" (more than 20 kg over THEIR aggressive therapy scales, designed to hook you as a client forever.... many doctors like to have too many patients to milk up and are ready to make you panic to get at this goal....
They're all on my Schist-slate cheese plate, gaining the right temperature (expecting the buddies in some 20 minutes)
I'm serving the Baguette au levain breads....
Wines: I've got some red un-filtered Chinon (Loire Valley) from 95 (waiting in the decanter) for the brie and the matured goat cheese, some white Muscadet Sur Lie (Loire valley) (for the vacherin and the fresh goat cheese), then I've got some Givry (Bourgogne) from 96 for the Epoisse (this is one of the big classic) and some GewurtzStraminer to accompany Alsace's munster
for those wanting to try Belgian's Herve cheese with carry seeds and some Chimay trappist.... it'll be available as well.
i've also got some white liquoreux Quart De Chaume (again LMoire Valley) for the blue cheese
Fine dark origin chocolate and 21-yr old Macallan single malt... then some finelly matured Jamaican Lamb's bread ganja
.... that should amount to some 3500Kcal minimum per person
 .... (surely the women will stop at 2000Kcal)Tangerine Dream on the stereo, then probably Miles, Soft Machine and we'll see for the rest....
well gotta run.... to the kitchen
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 13:24
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^
Hugues,
I am impressed with your knowledge of french wines and cheese.
And yes, french wines and cheeses are awesome ! ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 14:39
(I know Italians are a very distant second)
I just had to show to my guests this thread in between two cheeses ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 15:04
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^ Well, I enjoyed reading your post and seeing all those cheeses listed, I'm now going to have some cheese. It's just a crappy supermarket cheese which I'll have with a small salami and a diet Dr. Pepper, but it's the best I can do for now. BTW: I added a video in the original post ... I encourage everyone to check it out. It's very entertaining, too - I found it by accident a few hours ago, and if I had found it earlier I would have included it right from the start. It's amazing - it's very well done, it's witty, and it's 100% accurate from what I can tell (based on all I read). ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 15:09
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I don't like French Wine so much. I prefer Aus, Argentinian, Chilean is usually excellent. And cheese, I'll go for British. Especially a Stilton or a magnificent well matured Cheddar. But there are many great vareital cheeses here. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 15:51
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This thread makes me want some KFC.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 16:36
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^ Chicken wings and a salad ... about the only sensible low-carb choice in any fast food restaurant. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 16:39
I disagree. Wings have a very high proportion of fat compared to meat. Breast or thigh without skin is the only choice. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 17:15
| Food has an interference with the spiritual side to things. Now this totally depends on how one wants to think of that statement. However, it is a fact that if you fast you feel more in touch with your spiritual side. If you personally choose to believe in fasting or contemplation. Monks supposedly in the past have been known to fast in order to bare the pain of other people's sins. The change of your physical body takes about a month. Hunger by then will subside. Then you begin to feel lighter physically and spiritually. You can actually reach the point of not needing food. Some people may consider you ideal for mental help as they notice your abundance of weight loss. Still the fact remains that a quarter pounder with cheese will surely distort your meditation. So the carbohydrates or the energy given to you through eating food can be obtained in another method of practice. It's when you wash your body out and start over with a new body that flourishes levels of spiritual energy. Why this actually works I do not know? All I realize is there is some kind of seperation between indulgence of food and devoted spiritual works. I am not that religious but often ponder why the 2 do not balance themselves evenly. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 17:39
Saturated fat is good for you ... if you manage to eat it *instead* of carbs. I'd prefer wings over nuggets for that very reason. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 17:40
Nonsense. Saturated fat is never good for you. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 17:44
Fasting will, if taken to extreme levels, also make your body secrete natural endorphins ... so some people might confuse tripping with having a spiritual experience. The same can occur during extreme endurance training (called the "runner's high"). ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 17:47
It raises your HDL ... most doctors would call that a good thing. Add to that the fact that the carbohydrates you replace it with would raise your triglycerides. So actually switching to saturated fat from carbs raises your HDL and lowers your triglycerides. BTW: Some saturated fats are more beneficial than others - the raising of HDL is mostly attributed to animal fats (think lard or bacon - or chicken skin). ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 19:14
Interesting. I should have researched this but I am thankful for your reply. I will be researching it tonight. I find the aspect of confusing tripping with a spiritual experience truly interesting. thanks for the reply. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 20:54
sounds terrific Hugues, do you try to cleanse your palate between cheeses or just go crazy ? BTW my fingers smelled like a corpse for three days after touching some aged Morbier once |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 22:10
| I gained 5 pounds over Christmas, but am still the thinnest/lightest person in my house. Anyway, school starts again in 2 days and then I will be rock climbing 3 times a week |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: January 09 2011 at 00:31
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-------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 09 2011 at 04:03
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Nice! I would leave out the bread crumbs as well as the bun - but other than that I have no objections. Of course it should be noted that calorie wise, one of those easily constitutes a full meal - so don't confuse it with a mid-afternoon snack. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 09 2011 at 05:32
Good question... I was going to tell Mike , who was hinting to drop the bread (probably for food dissociation purposes), but the bread is one of the best mouth neutraliser both with wine (see for these wine testing festivals) and cheeses....
some of these cheeses can wall paper your palate (and ruin the wine tasting)... so in-between cheeses it's always a good idea to get a small mouthful of bread, which definitely has its importance .... no creamy industrial-type foam breads that you find in supermarkets... more like ciabattas or artisan baguettes
Morbier is absolutely wonderful (the "blue in there is not of the blue cheese, but oak ashes thrown in there, which helps the ripening.... it's also an excellent cheese to use as raclette cheese.... just melt it under the grill, and eat it with bread or baked potatoes (better oven baked potatoes than water-cooked)....
yes, it leaves a difficult to scrub odor on t-e hands, but theoretically dishwashing liquid and nail/handbrush works rather well
Morbier can smell, but it's not one of the worst (Epoisses, Maroil, Herve, and Munster top that easily), so it's best to use knives & forks whenever possible
Australians make good wines, but never exceptional.... they've got a very commercial attitude towards wine.... they make consumer studiies about their tastyes in wines ..... and make the wines acciording to it..... Unlike the french with their AOC wines and the regulations (many constraints) to have the AOC....they makethe wine the way nature and climate make it... Aussies don't hesitate to ammend the soils and water the vines whenever needed.... which is forbidden in most (all?) French AOC denominations
as for British cheeses, I prefer the Shropshire Blue cheese to the Stilton.... but there are some mega-fine matured Farmhouse cheddars as well, both in England and Ireland (and I suppose Wales as well). ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 09 2011 at 05:35
Man, I can feel an artery clogging-up just from looking at that recipe
why bother cooking the weenie, though
 ??? ... it's already been pre-cooked--------------------
BTW, I found out recently that if you hav a good Tefal (non-stick) frying pan and bring it to the right temperature, you don't need any fat like butter , industrial substitute (margarines and other trash) or oil to cook up the meat.... (steaks or ground meats)... however I would try that in an oven for poultry or roastbeefs
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------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 09 2011 at 13:59
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Saturated Fat doesn't clog arteries ... that's one of the main points that I wish more people would understand. Rather than going completely low-carb, you could greatly improve your diet by cutting back on sugar and refined carbs, avoiding trans-fats and vegetable-oils and instead using healthy fats like lard, butter/cream and coconut oil for cooking. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat-healthy/" rel="nofollow - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat-healthy/ And watch the first two parts of the video that I linked to in the OP - even if just for a laugh.  ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 09 2011 at 14:01
I would drop the bread because it's empty calories from refined grains, and I think that for some people this kind of food causes some nasty problems - obesity being the most obvious. As an alternative, I would recommend a mildly seasoned salad of leafy greens. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 09 2011 at 20:04
I'm confused. Wouldn't it be a homosexual who gets excited about a giant stick of meet? I can't do low carb, but I've been trying to cut back my sugar. Mike is right, though, Snow Dog, saturated fat is really overrated as the most horrible thing to eat. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 09 2011 at 20:27
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 05:06
that was only meant as a joke... I could've said I gained two pounds just from watching that recipe
Well I read exactly the opposite in the science page of my newspaper some three months ago....Sugar is not the main weight-increaser for the body >> it's abuse is still problematic for the health; but it doesn't intervene that much on kilos and pounds...
I'm trying to cut on sugary things (except chocolate), coz I don't really have a sweety tooth... I still consume a fair amount of it, because I'm a big tea drinker (I've estimated it at 8kg of refined sugar/year just for my infusions >> it seems enormous, but considering the number of liters of tea... coz I don't sweeten my teas so much >>> less than a cube per cup)
I've tried swtching to sugar cane, though but you don't find it everywhere other than in cubes
One of the things I've almost successfully eliminated are chips (but still fall into the trap is seved, but I don't buy them anymore... except when there are novelties susceptible to please me.... then I MUST try it, hoping I will hate it) and I can spend days without meat...
BTW, I watched the start of that conference yesterday morning (Id say five mins).... didn't find much interesting or smile inducing
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 06:12
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At 51 I still weigh what I did in college. For me it's been quite simple, work out regularly-4-5 times a week for 30-40 minutes, vary the workouts, alternating aerobic activity with strength training, and I eat a balanced diet. By balanced I mean no over-doing any one thing. A normal day might be cereal with banana for breakfast, 2 apples for lunch(my one slightly obsessive behavior), and a normal dinner-meat, vegetable and a starch of some kind. I don't eat too many sweets, but do use sugar in coffee and tea. My weakness is pretzels and it is a concern. Too much salt is not good. That's my goal for this year, to cut down and minimize the salt intake. I've always been a believer that a balanced, reasonable diet works better than any "fad" diet and for people who do need to lose weight, the slow steady approach-eating regular meals, but reducing the sweets and extra food-coupled with exercise, even just walking, is the best way to go.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 06:49
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^ That's the case for many people - but some get fat on such a diet and even if they also exercise. It should go without saying that when you have no weight problem, and your health markers are fine, by all means continue doing what you're doing, don't change a thing. This thread is about those of us who are not doing so great. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 06:56
Yup, it's called metabolim and it's unfairly distributed
 My girfriend can eat whatever she wants and it (fat and Kcals) won't hang onto her.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 07:13
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^ the thing is that in some cases, changing macronutrient composition (e.g. less carbs, more fat) can have a positive influence on metabolism. And keep in mind that in the 1970s low-fat diets became the de-facto standard recommendation, and ever since obesity rates are increasing. People eat more carbs and get fatter ... correlation doesn't imply causation, but suggests a possible causation that needs to be tested. And indeed, some people thrive on Atkins-style diets. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 10:42
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Just ran across this: http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/top-10-low-carb-headlines-of-2010/9587" rel="nofollow - http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/top-10-low-carb-headlines-of-2010/9587 Some interesting studies! ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 10:50
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Mike, my wife asked me to ask your opinion about the hcg diet.
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Posted By: AllP0werToSlaves
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 11:05
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Fish oil, whole foods, vitamins and plenty of exercise daily keep me feeling great! Good thread
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 16:04
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I'm starting to do some yoga at home. I can't really afford a gym membership and weights take up room. Plus back strength!
------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 04:27
Big red flag. http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/07/hcg-diet-look-elsewhere-for-weight-loss/" rel="nofollow - http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/07/hcg-diet-look-elsewhere-for-weight-loss/ " andRemember, if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Weight loss is hard work and it won’t come in a potion, pill, or injection. The most “dangerous” thing you should be doing to your body is trying a new exercise that intimidates you like rock climbing or http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/fitness-experts-at-dietsinreviewcom-run-marathons/" rel="nofollow - completing a marathon ." ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 06:16
I read all that already (in fact, the link you posted above is purple and I didn't even click on it ).While we don't care what the FDA says, I've tried explaining these things to my wife. The problem is that at least three people she knows (including her mom and dad) have lost substantial weight on this diet (my mother-in-law is still on it and is now the same size as my wife, which makes her only more determined; my father-in-law had to stop the diet after the initial 23 days due to a health condition). Of course you're going to lose weight if you only eat 500 calories a day! The skeptic in me (yes, yes, believe it or not, I very much consider myself a skeptic ) says that there is no magic bullet to weight loss, including hcg drops. The weight loss comes from eating 500 calories a day, which can be achieved without damn $25 drops. And our bodies need a certain amount of energy each day to keep all systems go. The other issue is that she is still breastfeeding, and 500 calories is insane if you still plan on breastfeeding.I say if you can have the discipline to go on a 500 calorie diet, why not have the discipline to go on a 1500 calorie diet and do some aerobics 20 minutes a day? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 06:48
You already mentioned the problem: This diet doesn't only include the magic pills, but also a caloric deficit and some other changes. Either one of those can explain the weight loss.
Exercise makes you hungrier. That's a problem that I see with your last statement. I would recommend to do something along the lines of Eat Stop Eat, and introduce 1-2 days per week where you do this extreme 500 calories diet, and you eat normally on the other days. That way you can still accumulate a nice caloric deficit, and you don't have to limit your food intake all the time. Another benefit is that your body won't slow down its metabolism. If you eat 500 calories each day, you'll experience a drastic drop in energy levels - not only will your body expend fewer calories and thus negate a big part of the caloric deficit you think you're creating, but you'll also have much less energy for your every day tasks and/or additional exercise. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 08:52
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What's the point in improving your health? You're still going to die anyway only you'll have a longer period being miserable.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 06:31
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Improving your health reduces your potential for being miserable. Sure, we'll all die eventually, but I'd rather die of old age, but in good health, than as a diabetic with amputated legs and a blood pressure of 180 (going for some stark and somewhat unrealistic extremes here). ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 08:09
Yeah, if you really want a miserable death, diabetes is the way to go. But given that life is a terminal condition the only real question is how long do you want to go on and do you prefer to go out on your own terms or have someone dictate that to you, like say health insurance companies? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 09:35
^ Improving your health is a way to decrease the dependence on health insurance companies. Avoiding back pain, no need for statins for blood cholesterol, no medication to reduce blood pressure ... those things increase quality of life. Plus of course the biggest and most obvious improvement: Being lean instead of obese. I prefer life at 96kg to life at 118kg ... and I'll like it even better at 80kg.  ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 09:47
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Need to start up the diet again. Mike, I thought fats like olive oil, nuts, avocado etc. were good for you? You said something a page back about avoiding vegetable oils.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 10:12
| Most vegetable oils are at some point of rancidity which is not good for you |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 10:44
The idea is to avoid oils that contain mostly Omega-6 fatty acids. Olive oil and avocado are fine in that regard (it's mostly monounsaturated fat), but nuts contain more Omega-6. What I had in mind when I said "vegetable oils" - and I should have been more precise - are grain based oils like sunflower oil, canola oil, soy bean oil etc.. Those should be avoided and replaced with monounsaturated fats - or even saturated fat like coconut oil, if used for cooking or frying. It's about maintaining a healthy balance between Omega 6 and Omega 3. We tend to get a *lot* of Omega 6 and virtually no Omega 3, so we should reduce Omega 6 oils and supplement with fish oil - or eat lots of fatty fish like salmon, mackerel or sardines.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 11:01
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" If we eat wrongly, No doctor can cure us; If we eat rightly, No doctor is needed." ---- Victor G. Rocine circa 1930 |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 11:03
Cept when ya get hit by a bus. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 11:24
| Correct......western medicine is great for trauma etc. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 11:31
To a point. If we eat sh*t, no doctor can cure us, but if we eat rightly, but f**k wrongly, then absolutely no doctor can cure us. Pardon the french... ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 12:07
Just did some quick Googling which confirmed this - the good news is that I pretty much cook with either olive oil or butter, so I should be good in that department. I need to eat fish more regularly. When I prepare my own meals, for the most part it's pretty healthy I feel. I just need to cut down on the take-out/junk.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 12:21
I recommend you don't get hit by a bus. That's how that dad on 6 feet under bought it. The cigarettes would have taken much longer. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 13:10
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^ It's even one of the Primal Blueprint laws: Don't do stupid things. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-primal-blueprint/" rel="nofollow - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-primal-blueprint/ (Here it's still called "avoid trauma" ... it later got modified a bit in the book). I basically agree with all these laws, except that some people can tolerate grains/carbs better and don't need to be that restrictive. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: shivareemoon
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 12:14
One thing I'd like to bring into consideration is that slim doesn't mean healthy Some people may show a muscular body but that doesn't mean they are eating or exercising well
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 12:18
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Mike, have you heard much about dried fruits? In the winter, the selection of fresh fruit is pretty abysmal and I switch to dried fruit. Aside from the high sugar content, I wonder if the nutrients and phytos/antioxidants survive the drying process and can be assimilated by the body. I also wonder what you think of raw food diets (and apologies if you covered it, I have not read your whole thread). ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 16:40
Leanness is correlated with reduced risk for many diseases - just as obesity is correlated with increased risk. Another way to approach this is: If you're not lean and you *think* you're eating and exercising well, maybe you're not. I'm not saying that everyone can achieve a lean body by changing lifestyle and/or diet, but some may be able to achieve a lot. I'm currently half way between lean and obese - and one year ago I would never have thought that it would be possible. When I started going low-carb people complimented me on the visible changes, but most - including myself - didn't think it would last. Today, about 10 months later, I not only managed to keep the weight off, but also increased my strength and muscle mass and improved my blood pressure to the point where I no longer have to consider taking any medication (I changed from 150/95 to 130/85). So at least for me, I think that getting leaner also coincides with getting healthier. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 16:51
Sure - you already mentioned the high sugar content, but aside from that most nutrients are still intact, plus especially dried berries and prunes have a lot of fiber. I would go for organic though, because especially with berries you have to worry about pesticides (since you eat the whole fruit and don't peel it). You can combine dried fruits with nuts (the typical trail mixes), or you can eat them as a dessert after a protein/fat rich meal.
I don't think that rawness (as in "uncooked") is that big of a deal - I'm a big fan of whole foods though. One of my favorite meals is steak with veggies ... the goal is to avoid processed food. For example, a couple of pages ago I suggested that when at McDonald's you eat the chicken wings instead of the chicken McNuggets. The latter are a food product made of 20+ ingredients. From Wikipedia (I underlined the ingredients that I find objectionable): "As of 9 October 2010, the ingredients are as follows: Chicken, water, salt, sodium phosphates. Battered and breaded with: bleached wheat flour, water, wheat flour, food starch-modified, salt, spices, wheat gluten, paprika, dextrose, yeast, garlic powder, partially hydrogenated soybean oil and cottonseed oil with mono -and diglycerides, leavening (sodium acid pyrophosphate, baking soda, ammonium bicarbonate, monocalcium phosphate), natural flavor (plant source) with extractives of paprika. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethylpolysiloxane" rel="nofollow - Dimethylpolysiloxane made of silicone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_McNuggets#cite_note-3" rel="nofollow - [4] is added as an antifoaming agent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_McNuggets#cite_note-ingredient_list-4" rel="nofollow - [5] The list may be slightly different outside of the United States." Now, don't get me wrong: This doesn't mean that I'll never eat Chicken McNuggets again. What it means is that I'll try to eat healthier alternatives 80% of the time (the 80/20 rule). ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 17:08
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Cool, thanks. Good point, I had not thought about the pesticides thing. Most of the dried stuff I pick is berries, so I'll try to find the organic.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 17:16
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You can also try to eat seasonally ... for example, in the winter you can chose not to eat a lot of vegetables. When you eat a lot of meat, you don't need veggies for vitamins anyway ... except for Vitamin C meat contains all the vitamins you can get from veggies. And when you eat fewer carbs you don't need all that much Vitamin C. I wonder if our ancestors 100,000+ years ago dried fruits to make it through these ice age winters? Probably not, since they didn't have any vessels and/or dry places to store them. It's more likely that they had extended periods (as in: the better part of a year) of pure meat diets alternating with periods of mixed food availability. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 17:37
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I'm really not able to handle a high meat/fat diet, I have trouble with indigestion. I like meat, but have to be reserved about the quantity and leanness. And I fail on the carb front too, I love carbs far too much to let them go. Thankfully i have no weight issue. I'm one of those people who can eat what I like without gaining an ounce. If anything I need to put on weight. What I do need to work on is cutting down on sweets and processed cookies, etc. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 17:44
| Foods like dates and figs can help the sugar craving |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 17:55
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^ they have a lot of fiber, but also a lot of sugar. I have found that the best strategy to counter sugar cravings is to avoid sugary foods. It takes some discipline, but if you can manage to not eat sweet food for a week or longer, the cravings actually diminish. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 18:03
Do some strength training combined with eating more meat. No need to join a fancy gym - have a look at Mark's free fitness ebook: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-fitness/" rel="nofollow - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-fitness/ http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-fitness/" rel="nofollow - It's basically body weight exercises, but for each one there is a range/progression from easy to really hard. Why do this? Because when you do put on weight, you want it to be muscle, not fat - and the way to ensure that is to do strength training. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 18:13
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See, I fail there too...I hate weight training, but I love hiking and cardio stuff, we have a great treadmill and eliptical machine that I love. But I know you're right, those do nothing for core strength, which I could use. Someday... ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 18:15
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These are ideal for developing core strength: "Someday" ... well, it depends on how much you really want to change. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 18:28
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I know....I'm not hardcore on this stuff. A little here and a little there. Also, I think lots of the "weights" guys give too little importance to cardio. Some of the guys at work are huge compared to me...but they never do cardio and I know I'm in better shape then they are, as far as endurance. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 17 2011 at 01:37
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^ yet above you said that you wanted to gain a little bit. Maybe there's a middle ground between emaciated endurance athletes and huge bodybuilders ... have a look at Mark Sisson (the guy in the videos) as an example. Functional strength is what I want to achieve, and this means, among other things, a good strength-to-weight ratio. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: shivareemoon
Date Posted: January 17 2011 at 12:19
Actually, I'm on a diet
I'm 1.73 metres tall My weight is 65.6 kg(I may have already lost some weight) My ideal weight is around 60kg |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 17 2011 at 13:04
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I think when it comes to leanness there's not so much variation between people. Leaner almost always means healthier. Remember that I'm not talking about losing as much weight as possible - reducing fat and building muscle is the key, until you reach a good ratio between strength and weight. I think that's a good goal to work towards. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 17 2011 at 13:13
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Impressive: http://easyrunnings.blogspot.com/2011/01/primal-blueprint-and-primal-blueprint.html" rel="nofollow - http://easyrunnings.blogspot.com/2011/01/primal-blueprint-and-primal-blueprint.html This ties in with the topic of the above post: I think in this case we agree that he got leaner and healthier. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: shivareemoon
Date Posted: January 17 2011 at 16:58
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 17 2011 at 17:05
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I must quit smoking. Since I live in a zone with contamination, my asthma that had almost vanished is slowly coming back. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 17 2011 at 17:19
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Are hamburguers really so bad? Or are the things that go with them the real culprits? (high sugar soda, high-oil fries)? -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 17 2011 at 17:45
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/nottingham/hi/people_and_places/newsid_9358000/9358273.stm" rel="nofollow - http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/nottingham/hi/people_and_places/newsid_9358000/9358273.stm This article made me buy kale for a recipe for the first time in my life. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 17 2011 at 17:51
Narcissist AND vegan... Great  -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 17 2011 at 18:09
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I used to turn my nose up a greens but then the local paper had a kale and white bean recipe. It's not on this computer, but I will post it when I can dig it up. I found this one that looks good: Ribollitahttp://www.foodnetwork.com/ina-garten/index.html" rel="nofollow">
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DirectionsIn a large bowl, cover the beans with cold water by 1-inch and cover with http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/plastic-wrap/index.html" rel="nofollow - plastic wrap . Allow to soak overnight in the refrigerator. Drain the beans and place them in a large pot with 8 cups of water, and bring to a http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/boil/index.html" rel="nofollow - boil . Lower the heat and simmer uncovered for 45 minutes. Add 1 teaspoon of salt and continue to http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/simmer/index.html" rel="nofollow - simmer for about 15 minutes, until the beans are tender. Set the beans aside to cool in their liquid. Meanwhile, heat the oil in a large stockpot. Add the http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/pancetta/index.html" rel="nofollow - pancetta and onions and cook over medium-low heat for 7 to 10 minutes, until the onions are translucent. Add the carrots, http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/celery/index.html" rel="nofollow - celery , garlic, 1 tablespoon of salt, the pepper, and red pepper flakes. Cook over medium-low heat for 7 to 10 minutes, until the vegetables are tender. Add the http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/tomato/index.html" rel="nofollow - tomatoes with their puree, the cabbage, if using, the kale, and http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/basil/index.html" rel="nofollow - basil and cook over medium-low heat, stirring occasionally, for another 7 to 10 minutes. http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/drain/index.html" rel="nofollow - Drain the beans, reserving their cooking liquid. In the bowl of a http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/food-processor/index.html" rel="nofollow - food processor fitted with a steel blade, puree half of the beans with a little of their liquid. Add to the stockpot, along with the remaining whole http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/beans/index.html" rel="nofollow - beans . Pour the bean cooking liquid into a large measuring cup and add enough http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/stock/index.html" rel="nofollow - chicken stock to make 8 cups. Add to the soup and bring to a boil. Reduce the heat and simmer over low heat for 20 minutes. Add the bread to the http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/soup/index.html" rel="nofollow - soup and simmer for 10 more minutes. Taste for seasoning and serve hot in large bowls sprinkled with http://www.foodterms.com/encyclopedia/parmesan/index.html" rel="nofollow - Parmesan and drizzled with olive oil. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 18 2011 at 04:04
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I stopped right at "Kosher salt".
Seriously: Beans are high in both carbs and antinutrients - plants don't want their beans to be eaten by animals, so they put these antinutrients in there as a defense mechanism. We have found ways to reduce these antinutrients - for example, soaking and cooking - but still, I'd rather eat plants, or parts of plants, that are meant to be eaten. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 18 2011 at 04:07
The meat in hamburgers isn't really that bad. Neither is fat per se, but there are many different kinds of fat. Sunflower oil for example is high in Omega-6 fat, and it is often used for deep frying (or some other grain based oil). When you're talking about a whole hamburger, the bun is probably the least healthy part of it. Even if you don't buy into the low-carb idea, it's still a bunch of empty calories with little nutritional value (vitamins, minerals - essential stuff). ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 18 2011 at 04:18
Of course there can be no argument that quitting smoking is always a positive for your health. But you should prepare for some weight gain, since nicotine has some effect on the fat storage mechanisms. It decreases fat uptake in the fat cells and increases fat intake in the muscle cells, so when you quit your body doesn't mobilize and burn fat as easily. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: shivareemoon
Date Posted: January 18 2011 at 10:50
I envy you! You have the right answer for everything, don't you?
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 18 2011 at 10:58
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I wish I had the *right* answer ... I've simply read a lot of books about the subject, and I've managed to lose 20kg of fat and keep it off for almost a year without doing excessive cardio exercise, and at the same time my blood pressure has gone down, and my strength and endurance have increased. I just feel like I'm on to something here ... But the next step is already on the horizon: 50 pushups 20 pullups 50 body-weight squats 1 minute plank I think it will take me at least until the end of the year to accomplish that ... the hardest part will be the pullups.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 18 2011 at 11:03
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Mike maybe you know the answer to this. I've read that high cholesterol is much more likely to be caused by fat intake. Since the liver naturally produces cholesterol, and regulates its production according to the body's dietary intake, consuming food high in cholesterol (eggs are what I'm thinking of) is actually not that detrimental . Any truth to this? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: shivareemoon
Date Posted: January 18 2011 at 11:15
I wish you luck |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 19 2011 at 09:58
High cholesterol is a complex topic. For one, it's not all that clear that high cholesterol is always a bad thing. Typically what people are interested in when it comes to cholesterol is the risk for atherosclerosis and cardio-vascular disease. But there are actually much better indicators for that risk than total cholesterol - there's LDL, HDL, LDL/HDL ratio, LDL type (small dense vs. large fluffy), and triglycerides. As for your specific question: Yes, dietary cholesterol is not really important. If you eat less cholesterol, the liver will simply synthesize more, and vice versa. Cholesterol medication typically works by inhibiting this synthesis in the liver, so if you take those medications *and* reduce dietary cholesterol then your total cholesterol may go down. But, as I said above, that won't help you too much when all those other health markers don't change. As far as dietary fat is concerned: It depends a lot on which type of fat you eat. Some fats raise LDL, some raise HDL, some raise both, some have altogether different effects. Carbohydrates raise triglycerides and lower HDL (bad), saturated fats lower triglycerides and raise HDL (good).  In a nutshell: Try to keep triglycerides low, and try to maintain a favorable LDL/HDL ratio. You can do this by lowering LDL (e.g. mono-unsaturated fats lower LDL), raising HDL (replacing some carbs with saturated fat raises HDL, but may also raise LDL), or both. My recommendation would be eat more healthy fats instead of some of the carbohydrate in your diet. As I already said, animal based fat is a combination of saturated fat, mono-unsaturated fat and a little polyunsaturated fat - the saturated fat component would raise LDL and HDL, the mono-unsaturated fat would lower LDL, and the reduction in carbs would lower triglycerides and raise HDL. Sounds good to me. And if you're still skeptical, you can always change your diet for a month and then do a blood panel. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 19 2011 at 10:26
I forgot to list the handstand pushups anyway ... I think I'll manage 10 pullups before I can even do one handstand pushup. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 10 2011 at 11:00
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Bumping this thread so that I can share yet another success story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-unconquerable-dave/" rel="nofollow - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-unconquerable-dave/ Very inspiring - I also lost another 2kg since my last post. I'm eating moderate-carb, not low-carb - and essentially it's the "Warrior Diet" - I usually eat one big meal (lunch) and only some snacks in the evening. So: Down to 96kg from 118kg, and still about 15kg to go. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |