His contradictions already posted of past threads are legendary.

Iván

"Well what chance does that give me? Oh all right then, I AM the Messiah!"

 

"Well

 

The poor bugger can't win can he?

 

Given that, I guess he actually prefers Sussussudio to anything Genesis ever made. 

 [On bands copying Genesis]:" I wouldn`t wish it upon anybody to try and be successful in this day and age being a parody of a band nobody likes anyway."

 

He can change his mind can't he?

 

Poor guy can't even have a sense of humour

 

I would think that if there was one thing that he probably appreciated ... that got his band to where it did ... yep ... it was "Supper's Ready".

 

I don't see anything bad or suspicious about his comment ... and he might have already been prompted about the question ... meaning hte older Genesis ... the one that people remember and love deeply and still talk about in here ... you wouldn't imagine that he doesn't know that?

 

He knows ... and he does peruse the internet enough to know about the "progressive" music thing and how the early Genesis was such a big part of it. He's not stupid.

Well, even though many folks consider his band to be ''one of the all time greatest prog bands of all time'', as you so poetically put it, that doesn't mean he has to think so himself, and based on other stuff he's said in the past, it would be seem he doesn't. That's why this new quote might sound surprising/suspicious to a few people. Of course Phil is allowed to change his mind, but a lot of what he says never lines up over the course of all the related quotes he's made.

 

well that depends on which part /era of Genesis you are copying  the 80s new wave heaven or the 70s prog rock heaven, and many of the songs on the Lamb are pretty meldodic and catchy (like It, the Carpet Crawlers, Lilywhite Lilith, Antway, Cuckoo cocoon) I am pretty sure many of those songs have influenced modern pop music.

 

the melody of It is very infectious melodie  

well he isn't perfect!

It's not bashing, is remembering the history.

He said that he never understood The Lamb (when his pop stuff was at the peak) and years later when his pop Genesis was dead he said The Lamb was his favorite album.

He said in Genesis a History that he was happy when Punk came, shake the tree and all the bands fell like bad apples (SIC), then years later he says he's proud of what they did on the early days.

He auditioned for Yes and wasn't accepted (Yes lost), then he said clearly that he never liked Yes and now says that Yes musicians are virtuoso.

Bashing would be insulting him, remembering what he said and how critic he was about Prog and now he wants to gain old fans again.

Iván

Seems you don't know about Italy and Belgium,Trespass was N° 1 in Belgium, Nursery Cryme was N N° 4 in Italy and Foxtrot was N° 1 in Italy.

So UK was not the only place with significant sales in the world.

Iván

BTW: Genesis Live (released before SEBTP) was in the charts of UK, keeping N° 9 for 10 weeks

can you guys post the link of these interviews?

ohh the only think I remember he said was that they were tired of playing long songs and old songs. That The band needed to change their  direction. that all!

Most of this interviews are very old and no longer available, for example the first Genesis and Phil Collins sites  has been transformed and several interviews vanished.

Only found one quotes:

You put Genesis over there in a corner with Yes, ELP, Moody Blues and the Floyd (Pink Floyd) because that`s the period we happened to come up in. I don`t like any of those groups - so it angers me and frustrates me when we get compared to them. http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrity/quotes/phil-collins.htm - http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrity/quotes/phil-collins.htm

I believe you will find several good opinions about Yes after 2000.

But if you want to listen some of his most acid perception about Genesis and Prog, you can get "GENESIS A HISTORY" DVD...There he speaks a lot of harsh things about Prog and old Genesis.

Iván

BTW: I can correct myself when I found something I was wrong, seems that Phil always had a soft spot for Supper's Ready and specially for Apocalypse in 9/8, but he has said some very hard things.

 

I knew through PA that Genesis were more popular in Italy than in UK but never knew how much popular were they. Thanks for the info! Trespass being Nº1 in a country makes me smile.

 

Hell, Dream Theater charted amongst the 10 bes selling artists in many many countries of the world when Black Clouds was releasd and they weren't even able to sell 1m albums world wide. Actually, I domn't even think they sold 500k, but anyway, Genesis simply could not sell albums during their prime man, deal with it. Very few bands can, there is no problem with it.

 

JLocke wrote: ^ Hell, I still don't like Genesis nearly as much as the other bands that were around at the time. If you want an example of a prog act that was actually really well-known while they were still being innovative, look no further than Yes, ''The people's band''.

 

Same with me, their so-called "acclaimed" prog releases are'nt my cup of tea also, though i really really LOVE TResspass and Nursery Crime. ELP also sold millions upon millions back in the day (even more than Yes I think), both rightfully.

 

 

OK some musicians do.

I feel sorry for him if he is tormented over the reality of what he was in the Brand X and early Genesis days when compared to his current media activity over the last few decades. Singing or writing a song for the TARZAN movie was the old adult musician singer songwriter approach to children's workshops. It's almost as if you could imagine him on Sesame Street. It's healthy do do this but, not if deep down inside you are avoiding your past with an attitude. His participation in a Buddy Rich tribute was a great idea for him to stretch out as a player again. He might miss the extreme progressiveness of his career in the sense that his pop indulgence was to the opposite extreme. Now he is getting older and he is looking back you see? However I did not understand the attitude he presented in Progression Magazine in 2004 when he was interviewed by Nick Tate. He responded at one point by saying Well, the question is how does Peter Gabriel feel about performing "Invisible Touch"? In otherwords, don't worry about how I, Tony and Mike feel about returning to our prog roots because we have no intentions of bending. They must have had a kind of bond in the business sense and their past issues with the early Genesis were still bitter to a great degree. That was the impression I got. But, he is not all one sided and somewhere inside he may feel some kind of regret for turning his back on it. That vibe seems to surface when he defends the early days. Perhaps he is struggling with that reality?

I think that is probably closer to the truth.  They did carry on with prog for two years after Gabriel left and Collins has some songwriting credits on the two albums with Hackett (before ATTWT) so he was in all probability attached to the music they were making at the time but found it more and more difficult to mount the effort to make it, faced with dwindling returns for prog as such.  I have also read  Rutherford saying in the notorious Annotated Lamb Lies...article that they were in great touch at the time of making that album and the music just flowed.  Banks and Rutherford regard Lamb as a commercial failure, so it is possible that the sum total of the efforts they put into it, Gabriel's departure, lack of commercial success and getting branded as pretentious affected them.  In my personal experience too, Genesis is the hardest of the big five bands to get people from outside prog circles to understand because they are only too inclined to dismiss Genesis's prog albums as precious, sissy pop (the irony!) and don't really perceive its brilliance, not right away at any rate. People generally regard prog as weird or strange music and Genesis seem to dampen those misplaced expectations. 

 

Why is Fripp always let off the hook for all of his "dinosaurs" references back in the late seventies?

Because Fripp still makes good music. 

 wow!!!

I agree 100% on that. I remember in the early 90's how much Steve hated when Pt was called a "prog band" look at him embracing the whole genre and maybe adoring it.

Radiohead is next.

Honestly...I can't stand this version, Phil's voice is flat and boring.

Iván

 Hmm lets see that Phil gets called out for his comments over and over in the late 70's and early 80's and yet he was the one that sat in with the Musical Box playing the Musical Box a few years ago and certainly was no road block to, in fact encouraged a full reunion tour 3-4 years ago.  It is pretty obvious he does not hate the music of his youth now.  Whether that extends to ELP, Yes, Pink Floyd etc is irrelevant. 

 

This old guard feels kindly towards him regardless. When you've done what he'd done in his former band's peak years with Brand X on top of that, why would you give diddly what anyone else says. Now if Phil can only hold a wife (that's the real trick).

I feel he did a great job of filling an unfillable role after Gabriel left. He gave us The Trick and Wind & Wuthering. The rest was never my thing and probably never will be. I´ll take the memories, be proud of the fact that I was lucky enough to see Phil and Pete lay down their Supper´s Ready for generations to come.

We would be fools to underestimate just how good Phil Collins was. The drums on Selling England are

sensational and being a Brand X fan have never been fool enough to rub this man´s nose in the dirt.

Phil failed to capture his progressive fab club´s fascination with his more commercial adventures, but if

we are honest he gave a totally different audience years of enjoyable sing along pop.

I am sure Phil Collins has an incredible amount of respect fro his former band members and that Supper´s Ready is his favourite.

Norm

 

Never claimed that Phil didn't have the music in him.....just annoyed that he denies his legacy in favor of Soo-soo-psudo Motown trash.  I remember the scared little rat on the Arsenio show covering his tracks after the "dark" comment on the Grammy awards show in the mid-90s.  He also went on Leno and kissed arse....anything for sales.