Pink Floyd Album Tournament, Round 3
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Topic: Pink Floyd Album Tournament, Round 3
Posted By: 40footwolf
Subject: Pink Floyd Album Tournament, Round 3
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 19:53
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This oughta be interesting... 3 days to vote! ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 19:55
| sh*t, probably, really, the 2 best Floyd albums. Voted AHM because Meddle is far more likely to win |
Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 21:29
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I love both suites (AHM and Echoes). I like the shorter songs on AHM better but only like the last section of Alan's Psych. Breakfast. One of these Days is stellar. Both are imperfect albums but Echoes is just too impressive to vote against. Meddle by a nose. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 21:40
Yeah. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Triceratopsoil wrote:Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 21:51
| Meddle. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 21:51
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Atom Heart Mother for the sweet suite... Suite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK77LSeNU6o - breast milky .
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Posted By: Show Don't Tell
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 21:54
| Meddle. Not even close for me. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 21:55
75% of voters for AHM have posted here, can the Meddle fans claim to have that level of dedication? 
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 21:58
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Meddle for me. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 22:02
Atom Heart so crushes Meddle. Then again, so does Piper and you guys already killed that off. Damn you!
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 23:01
| OK, it's really difficult, right now I feel like voting for Meddle. Echoes lyrics are really wonderful, as is all the song. And I also love One of this Days. But ofcourse the Atom Heart Mother suite is incredible too. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 00:52
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Meddle is murdering Mother. Surprising, given all the comments supporting Atom Heart Mother. My vote is for Meddle. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 02:08
Mother is booooring!  ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 02:12
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Oooooh. Atom Heart is great despite the band hating it. Nope, must be Meddle for me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Shevrzl
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 02:30
| Meddle, probably my 2nd or 3rd favourite album from PF |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 02:36
| Atom Heart Mother is by far my favorite Pink Floyd piece. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 02:38
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Meddle, #3 on my list of PF albums. But the title track of AHM is equally good. ------------- 
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 03:00
| Meddle, one between PF very best release. |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 03:11
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A great similarity between these two. Each features a magnificent long piece and several shall we say, weaker tracks.
However, I prefer Echoes over the AHM Suite, and Meddle also has One Of These Days so I voted Meddle.
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Posted By: RoeDent
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 03:16
| This is a really tough round. Both albums have really strong songs (both epics), and also really weak songs (Alan and Seamus, respectively, imo). In the end, I voted for Atom Heart Mother, because I prefer the title suite over Echoes, as great as Echoes is. |
Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 04:25
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Meddle for me
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Posted By: fendermuzz
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 04:35
| Meddle go on |
Posted By: Weirdamigo
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 04:39
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Both outstanding albums that represent the "space-era" of Pink Floyd. My vote goes to Meddle, nothing beats "Echoes" and "One of these days (I'm going to cut you into little pieces)" ------------- A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. - Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: DeKay
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 13:20
| Meddle, because "Echoes" beats "Atom Heart Mother" |
Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 14:53
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It may sound strange, but I always found that Meddle was sort of a simplified version of AHM. So AHM it is |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 15:04
Mine too. It's interesting that band members have been so dismissive of the suite, but then they weren't pleased with what Ron Geesin (who co-composed it, orchestrated it...) did with it, nor pleased with their performances on it. I think Geesin (and Aldiss whom Geesin brought on for the project) did great work on it, and I think its Geesin's involvement that really elevates it for me over other Pink Floyd stuff (though I do like Ummagumma and earlier Floyd work, as well as Meddle, considerably. I'm not so big on later Floyd). Some quotes from wikipedia: Quotes
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 15:46
| Meddle. |
Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 18:17
| Atom Heart Mother is really one of the greatest Pink Floyd album only with the suite. |
Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 19:12
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Atom Heart Mother. I recently rediscovered this album thanks to you fine folk. It's AMAZING. As for Meddle...I really love every Floyd release but Meddle. I lurve Echoes, of course, and One Of These Days, but everything in between in just 'meh' for me. I'm especially unenthused about Fearless: I think the random singing throws me off what would otherwise be a decent, if somewhat unremarkable, song. Anyhoo, AHM. Not a song on there I'm not currently passionate about. ------------- Certified Obscure Prog Fart. http://scottjcouturier.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - The Loose Palace of Exile - My first novel, The Mask of Tamrel, now available on Amazon and Kindle |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 19:22
Totally agree Greg...those two don't have a clue about their own early work and its impact, which is astonishing. I've seen Roger diss other early work like Piper too. The fact that they are ashamed at some of the youthful naivity, excesses, or tech problems is probably about ego, but their fans are wiser. Who cares that AHM is not "about anything." It doesn't have to be! Music is emotion too, whether Rog writes a diatribe to go with it or not. And David, good lord. He's prouder of some of his 80s slop than a classic like AHM? No Dave, your lowest point is called Momentary Lapse or About Face, brother. |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 21:17
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I find it incredibly greedy to enjoy an artist's work AND demand that they enjoy it as well. There's nothing "douchey" about sl*gging off your own work if you think it's terrible, because it's YOUR WORK, and I think that saying otherwise indicates something of an entitlement complex. Also, this isn't nearly as close as I thought it was going to be. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 21:25
Oh i don't "demand" they enjoy it. I just think they're dead wrong that it sucks. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with them....when they are so outspoken about the work, they invite feedback from fans. And I'm sure they don't mind that fans discuss this stuff, it sells more albums for them |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 21 2010 at 00:08
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Chris, I don't demand that they enjoy it either (at least Geesin enjoys it). If any musician wants to sl*g their contributions to a project, more power to them. I used the term douchey because of the cleansing properties of a douche (washing oneself of...). In this case, though, and I was trying to highlight the point, it's not just a matter of being very dismissive of one's own work, it's about dismissing other people's work. That was rather the crux of my post. Roger Waters had collaborated with Ron Geesin before (on Music From the Body), and Waters had this big idea for orchestra that they didn't know how to execute, so the composer/ arranger Geesin was called in. They gave him a backing track to work from while they went on tour and asked him to arrange it for orchestra and put it together. Geesin ended up doing far more and added new melodies, and really shaped it. He called on others to work on it (most notably John Aldiss for choral work and he deserves credit), and in the end I think it became very much a Geesin work (a collaboration, but one heavily indebted to Geesin). Still, it was released, they had the band's name put on it, and they toured with it. So it's not just about Waters and Gilmour sl*gging their own work, they're calling the work of another rubbish. They've also been dismissive of Syd Barrett's work. I have wondered if it is an ego thing. Gilmour, despite having been dismissive of Atom Heart Mother for mnay years -- he had called it "absolute crap” -- played guitar for it when Ron Geesin revived it in 2008, complete with orchestra and chorals. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 21 2010 at 02:41
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This approach is amusing but ultimately heavily flawed
Such a classic prog (and in mlany ways proggier than Meddle) album as AHM tossed out on the first round
 , when it would most likely have trounced Piper, Saucerful, More and Umma...... and if we avid having to pit WYWH against DSOTM, because of OBC, we won't avoid pitting WYWH against Animals ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: October 21 2010 at 03:03
I guess I didn't spend a whole lot of time devising a science for my Pink Floyd album tournament. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 21 2010 at 06:08
I think one of the reasons for them being so dismissive of AHM, is the fact that it essentially was Ron Geesin who was the brains behind the whole thing. Both Waters and Gilmour were sonic control freaks, and here they are practically out of the equation. I love PF to pieces, but I am not too keen on artists being dismissive of their own output, especially when it involves another great musician, who put his blood, sweat and tears into that specific record. What Ron Geesin did was a stroke absolute genius, and part of me still thinks that they secretly are a bit jealous of him, for doing something that was beyond them at the time. They almost lost control. You can probably guess what I picked  Just because Echoes sits on Meddle like a giant anchovy on your pizza, and it´s my fave PF song - I think AHT blows it out of the water. Alans psychedelic breakfast is just amazing too.BTW - Ron Geesin also put out a brilliant solo record called As he Stands. Pretty weird but very recommendable. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 21 2010 at 11:45
That's what I think. And would add that I think that Geesin's work for Pink Floyd had a significant effect on later Floyd music. I find Waters/ Gilmour's attitudes very disrespectful and disheartening -- very ungracious. Had Waters/ Gilmour been able to pull that off, I'm sure they would have been very proud of it. I think they owe Geesin a debt of gratitude and due credit. I once read an interview with Geesin about his working with Waters, and any possible future collaborations, and he was enthusiastic saying he thought they worked really well together and could release killer material, but didn't expect it to happen. I also like As He Stands very much; I evaluated it for the Eclectic team not that long ago. Noticing your Clockwork Orange avatar, great film, I expect you know that the Atom Heart Mother album appears in a record store scene and that Kubrick asked Pink Floyd for permission to feature it in that scene (it appears above the soundtrack to 2001 A space Odyssey). And Kubrick asked if he could use Atom Heart Mother in his Clockwork Orange soundtrack, but Pink Floyd turned him down due to Kubrick's request for unlimited license in choosing what portions or edits of the suite he used. For any who don't know, there a youtube clip that a fan put together: Apparently, Waters later talked to Kubrick about using a piece from 2001 A Space Odyssey for one of his own albums. Calling music that Kubrick was interested in using rubbish is another big no-no in my books (especially for as great a film as Clockwork Orange). If I weren't as pacifistic as I am, it might almost make me, with my droogs, want to resort to a bit of ultra-violence. And Jim, good post too. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 21 2010 at 12:01
Kubrick has always been my favourite director, and I see him very much in the same sort of light as my most beloved progressive artists - because of their fantastic way of creating images beyond what you actually see or hear. I was aware of ATH being in the record store scene, which I always thought was funny, but that they actually turned of the most original and innovative film makers down, because (again) it would mean letting go of the control, - that´s completely new to me. Thanks for the info, that was cool. Please don´t resolve to ultra violence, or I´d might be forced to come over there and strap you down, fill you up with mind-sauce and show you pictures you can´t escape from  |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: October 21 2010 at 18:20
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Meddle was more consistent, but AHM is good too. Personally, I don't think Floyd is able to recognize a good record, even if it's one of their own.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 21 2010 at 19:01
| I prefer Meddle by a wide margin, but without Atom Heart Mother there would have been no Meddle. Plus, I really like Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast, absolutely love the last part. |
Posted By: LaughingMadcap
Date Posted: October 21 2010 at 20:02
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Meddle for sure. though Atom Heart Mother has been gaining ground more recently. Meddle was my favourite pink floyd album until recently having a good deep listen to Dark Side on vinyl. ------------- Confusion will be my epitaph. As I crawl a cracked and broken path If we make it we can all sit back and laugh. But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying, Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying. |
Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: October 21 2010 at 22:19
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This poll is a disgrace! Atom Heart Mother is a perfect album. 2 lengthy masterpieces bookend the album and the other 3 songs are perfect in their own way. Fat Old Sun and Summer 67 are far superior to bland throwaways like San Tropez and Seamus. I love Meddle for Echoes, Fearless and One of These Days but I think Atom Heart Mother is better in every way. It doesn't deserve to lose this much. I think Meddle was their last good album so to paraphrase Walter ''Say no to post 1971 Floyd averageness and yes to Pre 1971 Floyd greatness.'' ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 21 2010 at 22:20
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 22 2010 at 06:48
no need to, either.... this is fun the way it is.... and that's the main thing.... ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: October 22 2010 at 10:30
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As much as I like Atom Heart Mother, my vote goes for the mighty Meddle. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: October 22 2010 at 17:09
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Meddle is one of my top 10 albums. ATH must be around position 600. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 22 2010 at 18:16
I like to viddy the olds pics now and then. I'd rather a kick in the yarbles than watching them with mind-sauce, however. Stanley Kubrick has a terrific compositional eye (they way he composes a scene as well as the way he can structure a film), and I can liken that to my enjoyment of my favourite musicians' works. I really like his visuals, and another favourite director of mine for visuals/ structures is Zhang Yimou (and Tarkovsky in his way, as well as Lars von Trier). I am rather surprised to see Meddle trouncing Atom Heart Mother so badly as there has been a lot of support shown for the album in posts. I almost suspect a conspiracy; perhaps Waters paid people off to vote for Meddle. Incidentally, Meddle is also an interesting collaboration album, but the dog in "Seamus" rarely gets mentioned for its participation, and, though not nearly to the extent of Geesin in AHM, deserves considerable credit. And don't get me started on Animals....------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: kole
Date Posted: October 23 2010 at 12:43
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Wow, wouldn't expect that so much people prefer Meddleto AHM. I voted for AHM, btw. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: October 23 2010 at 12:50
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Posted By: Jazzywoman
Date Posted: October 23 2010 at 13:30
| Meddle is an experimental masterpiece, Top 3 of the Floydian albums. |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: October 26 2010 at 07:44
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Atom Heart Mother.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: October 26 2010 at 07:57
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Atom Heart Mother |
Posted By: Proggy Pogo
Date Posted: October 26 2010 at 07:58
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Meddle. I think Echoes beats the Atom Heart Mother Suite. Both are ace though. ------------- 
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Posted By: pinkyfloydyfan
Date Posted: October 26 2010 at 18:56
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Meddle! You know that AHM was probably finished by the engeneer? Never really played in show... Of course it was non-commercial music BUT meddle was too... Hear about a 23 minutes song... ------------- We are pilgrims!
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: October 27 2010 at 17:15
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Echoes trounces the AHM Suite but the "song" sides are pretty even. I had the Gessin suite on the other day and some of the segments are just plain harsh on the ears.....great ideas that just never came to fruition. Meddle....but AHM made a comeback at the end to make it close. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 27 2010 at 22:06
What do you mean about AHM having never been played in show? Do you mean live? Because I'm pretty sure it was played live on several occations, there are many bootlegs. I wish one of those shows would be released officially. I know they played the full version with orchestra and all (or at least part of an orchestra), and abreviated versions with only the band playing it. As a matter of fact I have one of those abreviated versions. |