Battle of the Prog Bands R3D5: Zappa vs. Magma
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Topic: Battle of the Prog Bands R3D5: Zappa vs. Magma
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Subject: Battle of the Prog Bands R3D5: Zappa vs. Magma
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 16:03
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Welcome to Round 3 Division 5 of Battle of the Prog Bands! This time, our two contenders are Frank Zappa and Magma. Vote for your favorite, and the band with the most votes will move onto Round 4. Please do not vote unless you have listened to at least one album by both bands.
Here is the tournament thus far:
 Schedule for Upcoming Matches
Round 3 Division 6: October 11
Round 3 Division 7: October 14
Round 3 Division 8: October 18
Round 4 Division 1: October 22
Go Magma!
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Replies:
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 16:06
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Whoah Magma :fingers crossed: |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 16:11
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 16:27
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Magma takes a flying start here! Please nobody wakes them old Zappa fans! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 16:37
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I went with Magma -- a long time favourite band which I have more than
twenty albums from, but I really like Frank Zappa albums too. Good
poll, and they are comparable (especially the JRF oriented works). This is one of my favourites from Zappa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoJLMUBSMkc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoJLMUBSMkc ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 16:44
Zappa for me 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 16:48
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Sorry Zappa!
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:12
| Uncle Frank for me |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:21
Uncle Christian for me.  Go Magma Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:24
Ok guys. Come the hell on, now. Yes, Magma is insanely awesome. But Zappa is clearly the superior choice here. He's pretty much the greatest and most influential composer of the 20th century. He was one of the most influential musicians of all time, and was a genius in pretty much every way. Of course, knowing the people on this site, Magma will win this. Only on this site.  -------------  |
Posted By: GY!BE
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:26
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No vote for me this time...these two are one of my favorite bands/artists and I will be happy to see either win same as I'll be disapointed to see one of these two loose...
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:31
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Please magma lose ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:34
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ZAPPA!!!!!!!!! ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 18:01
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I think I am going to sit this one out. I have Magma's MDK, but have only listened to it twice, and I'm not quite sure how I feel about it. Plus I am starting to develop a bias against Zappa.
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Posted By: questionsneverknown
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 18:02
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I love, love, love Magma (and with Emehnteht-Re they've really made, for me, their best album), but, still, my vote has to go to Zappa because I love, love, love, love, love Zappa. You see that's two extra packets of love and by gosh that's gotta mean something. Seriously, as deeply impressed as I am by Magma (and I really am), there can be a sameness to their body of work as opposed to the astonishing diversity and variety of Zappa's massive body of work. ------------- The damage that we do is just so powerfully strong we call it love The damage that we do just goes on and on and on but not long enough. --Robyn Hitchcock |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 18:04
| Easiest round yet. Magma! |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:00
(Boy, am I going to get flamed for that last statement...)
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questionsneverknown wrote:Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:08
I find Zappa's The Yellow Shark emotionally stirring: ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:15
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Zappa for me.
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Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:18
Your opinion is so incorrect, it's ridiculous  |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:26
Maybe because this is the only site where people vote for what they believe and feel, not for what others believe is correct to vote for. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:31
Erm, for greats, how about Schoenberg (though born in the 19th Century), Carl Orff (though born 1895), and Stockhausen, Xenakis, Ligeti, Berio, Cage. And how about Coleman, Coltrane, Davis, Monk, Hancock, Evans etc. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:34
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:38
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:39
| I definitely prefer Magma. |
Posted By: Evolutionary Sleeper
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:42
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Love both artists, but Magma is an absolute addiction.
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Posted By: Johnnytuba
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:47
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Magma for the 20th vote! ------------- "The things that we're concealing, will never let us grow. Time will do its healing, you've got to let it go. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:49
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"Information is not knowledge
Knowledge is not wisdom Wisdom is not truth Truth is not beauty Beauty is not love Love is not Zappa Zappa is THE BEST... "
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:54
Thats because 99% of other sites have no clue who Magma is.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:15
| Frank Zappa |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:16
I watch that video every time you post it. For some reason, I like it. But I wouldn't call it prog. It's almost the same riff throughout. And it isn't better than "Peaches en Regalia." However, no vote from me.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:17
I watch it every time I post it too :) |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:18
While you were watching it, I enjoyed Kansas with your mama. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:20
| Sorry Magma nuts, Zappa wins this easily. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:21
sounds like nearly as much fun as Krautrock |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:21
and you call yourself a shred room inhabitant... |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:23
Yes, except there is violin involved. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:23
I voted for Zappa, but this comment is rather ridiculous. Just because he's influential that doesn't mean he's the best. I prefer his body of work, and that's why I voted for him. I don't really care what other people think my opinion "should" be. Hell, Britney Spears is more influential than any modern prog band. Are we going to say that she's better than The Flower Kings or Spock's Beard? -------------
Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:26
I'm sure I could think of some Krautrock with violin, were I not so lazy |
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:26
Last time I checked, Zappa was pretty sweet with the Shred Room. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:28
naw 
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:31
| Phallus Dei apparently has violin. |
Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:32
 yeah... umm... Magma. -------------  
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:33
There you go. I'm sure we can all agree that God's Penis is more potent than some boring state nobody cares about |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:36
Of course you'd say that. You came out of it. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:38
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Zappa is good, Magma is brilliant. I vote for Magma without any hesitation.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:39
I just sent that exact picture to my friend a few minutes before your post to see her reaction...
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:41
Nice Jordan! -------------
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:48
Fail.
Zappa was a genius, Vander is a brilliant composer but never crossed so many genres and the music of Magma will always sound too serious for the every-day listen for me.
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:51
I wish Cardiacs would have been in this prog tourney. 
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Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 20:58
| Even if Zappa is one of the first artist that awoke me in my musical journey, I have to go with Magma. Vander is one of the most brilliant man of the 21st century. ( Zappa too I know, omg it's so hard to choose..) Go Magma!! |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:02
fail? You just sound like a pompous dick |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:06
ermm... ok...
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:08
| you tell somebody they fail for saying they like Magma. That doesn't sound pompous to you? |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:10
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:11
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Suzy Creamcheese says "Frank baby, all the way"
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:13
Dude, saying 'fail, double fail, etc' is a common thing here in PA, it's not an insult or anything.. just a bit of humor to generate discussion... ughh... now I know why you didn't vote for Zappa..
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:16
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A funny band with a goofy shtick vs a funny man with several funny shticks. Uncle Frank it is. |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:17
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:20
Vander is a genius as well - not only has he written all of the music, he's also developed a language for the band to use. Something Uncle Frank never did (to my knowledge). Plus, as Magma's music is too serious for an every-day listen for you, Frank's doesn't work as an every-day listen for me either anymore. Plus, Magma's got better bassists and a better drummer. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:21
Not to mention, Klaus mother-f**kin' Blasquiz |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:24
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I know lots of people already know the Jade chante Magma cliup with the young girl singing part of KA I -- http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4hh7q_jade-chante-magma_music - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4hh7q_jade-chante-magma_music But I just came across this, in fact my daughter noticed it when I was looking up Magma videos (young girl "Otis" karaoke time): And check this out: ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:25
| I find that 2nd video distasteful, personally |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:26
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:30
Hmm.... Why? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:31
They've always been off in fantasy land while Uncle Frank was tackling the real world and its stupidity. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:31
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:31
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:38
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I liked it, but I wish he had done the whole album. Wouldn't be as good as the original, but still.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:39
The new Libertarian thread? |
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:44
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Nah, if anything it's the new Shred. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:47
| Now I want to hear the entire album done in that style. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:50
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MAGMA for me.As much as i love Zappa i`m drawn more to that dark heavy rhythm that is ZEUHL. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 22:04
Thanks for that video that made my night.Unbelievable! Frank was very influential but he didn`t create a genre like MAGMA did. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 22:36
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I don't really understand how Magma is "emotionally stirring." This isn't necessarily a bad thing, though; not all music has to be. ------------- |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 22:37
One of the few times that I find myself very much agreeing with Walter. ------------- |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 22:39
Start making a habit of it. |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 22:58
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IF IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DEATH OF THE PLANET IN A FICTIONAL LANGUAGE, THEN IT'S TOTALLY MAINSTREAM AND WAY TOO COMEDIC FOR ME. ------------- |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 23:15
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Kobaian started the same way every "real" language did, you know. I guess English is a fictional language too. Frank talks about the real world and its stupidity in a made up language too, so you should probably stop listening to him.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 23:15
yeah bro |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 23:31
I'M NOW GOING TO DEBATE LINGUISTICS AS IT RELATES TO KOBAIAN AND FREE JAZZ. I'LL DO USING MY OWN MADE-UP LANGUAGE. WHICH IS ACTUALLY A REAL LANGUAGE. HOW AVANT IS THAT. ------------- |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 23:36
| Why all the hate on Magma, Anthony? Did they steal your GT Snow-Racers when you were a kid? |
Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 23:53
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this poll has more post than votes, 5 pages already! I can say i have heard the full discogs of each two sides here ('cept by zappa's classical music period) and I dislike the zeulhistic chants (choirs likes) for too long, the instrumental parts are ok tho. And in the other side, sometimes i cant stand Zappa's sense of humor, awesome music and sound but then he start singing about "titties and beer"... still some of my all time fav pieces in music are from uncle Zappa, he's a f**king b*****d wacko/genius, just look at him:   ------------- |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 23:57
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You've heard all of Zappa's discography? That's quite a lot of stuff. Plus, his sense of humor is pretty good a lot of the time...listen to the first several tracks of Apostrophe, I love the stuff in those.
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 01:34
| Magma! Sure hope they'll win. |
Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 01:40
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If Magma wins... I will remain a misanthrope. So nothing really changes! ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 01:50
The song sounds much better when it's beatboxed!! ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 01:55
| I may be the only person on this site who will say this, but I dont care for either very much |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 02:52
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I prefer Magma, but Zappa is still great. ------------- 
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 03:47
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I've only heard Magma's debut recently and it's becoming a favourite of mine, as well as some other tracks from other albums that didn't quite make the same impact on me.
However, I've heard around ten Zappa albums. Some I really like and some I do not care so much for.
In other words no vote. And I will continue to investigate further into Magma. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 07:39
Sorry but this: ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 08:00
I find Ëmëhntëhtt-Re very emotional. Magma for me. ------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 08:46
*all studio albums not including the posthumous ones.  and thanks to Zappa i'd never eat the yellow snow.------------- |
Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 10:59
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This is one of the hardest choices for me  ... That question will be without answer for ever for me because The Mothers Invention and Magma are among my favorite bands (Top 10 easily). |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 11:32
Me too. I also find "Felicite Thosz" emotionally stirring. I find a lot of Magma music that stirs my emotions (it can be so exuberant and reach sublime levels). Different people's emotions are stirred differently, and we all have a gamut of emotions that can be stirred. Certainly every Magma album provokes an emotional response in me. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 11:46
Then you don't understand Magma. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, though; not everyone does.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 11:48
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At least Magma is losing to someone who I am comfortable with. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 11:57
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One reason why I can very comfortably vote for Vander's music over Zappa's is that I find Vander far more consistent to my tastes. Admittedly, I know much more Vander music as I have more than twenty Magma albums, Offering's, Univeria Zekt's, solo etc. (I would have rather this been artists Vander vs. Zappa, or if bands then The Mothers of Invention vs. Magma), and I've heard maybe only ten Zappa albums in full. Both I've defended, or tried to turn people onto who criticised aspects of the works since both do have variety. I tend to prefer Zappa's instrumentals which commonly limits his appeal to me. With Magma, I like very album I have. Zappa just does not reach the, to my mind. sublime levels that Magma's does very often (and the contrasts in Magma's music work really well for me). This is merely a poll of preferences, though. Side question for people: What was the first music of both you got into? While MDK was my first Magma album (in fact it was a live version, and then I got the studio version), the track I first heard, and it really wowed me, was Iss Lansei Doia. Hot Rats was my first Zappa album, and "Peaches en Regalia' was the track that got me into Zappa. It became a staple on the radio, and I thank that in part for really getting me into progressive rock. Hearing that sandwiched between KIm Mitchel and Bon Jovi was quite the experience, and it wasn't long before I could not listen to classic rock radio due to all of the, to my mind, very poor music (had a car with only a radio). For ever "Peaches" there were many songs I could not stand. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 12:12
Understanding/ feeling any music has so much to do with one's musical background. Individual taste and response/ reaction depends on various factors. Hermeneutics and audience reception aesthetics is a serious study. I don't expect others to have the same reaction as I do. If, say, the beauty I feel in Magma's music leaves another cold, I chalk it mostly up to taste and experience. Beethoven's 9th is glorious to me, but I knew someone who couldn't stand it when I played it for him. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 12:22
I was just trolling. I don't really care who likes what anymore.
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