Ritchie Blackmore or Tony Iommi
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Topic: Ritchie Blackmore or Tony Iommi
Posted By: Mushroom Sword
Subject: Ritchie Blackmore or Tony Iommi
Date Posted: October 01 2010 at 19:52
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It's kinda like Dio or Ozzy... But that wouldn't really be prog. So who, Tony Iommi who if wrote a riff for a song for your band would make you double platinum in a week, or Ritchie Blackmore, who... is Ritchie Blackmore. |
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Posted By: Marlon
Date Posted: October 01 2010 at 20:08
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Iommi for me. He has a distinct sound that always impressed me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: October 01 2010 at 20:09
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When Pete Townshend was a kid he went to the house of a local musician and asked for guitar lessons. The man pointed to a kid walking down the street with his guitar case and said to ask that lad, even though the boy was only 15 years old, the man said, he'd be able to teach you twice as much as anyone about the guitar. That kid was Richie Blackmore.....Townshend believes it was Blackmore who first played "heavy metal". At the same time, Townshend said that Blackmore was one of the most sullen, backward motherf**kers he'd ever encountered.....leave it to Pete to lay out such a backhanded compliment. I voted Iommi....those fuzz tone riffs are THE signature sound of the Sabs. I like Blackmore more doing his folky thing with his wife on Blackmore's Night than the power chord Purple thing.....I think Pace and Lord had more to do with their sound than Blackmore's power chords and chunky riffs.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 01 2010 at 20:39
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I like Deep Purple and Rainbow a lot, but Blackmore himself has never really impressed me as a guitarist. Sure he's got chops, but I've always found his playing somewhat uninspired. Tony Iommi, on the other hand, basically invented the heavy metal riff. Iommi it is.
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Posted By: Mushroom Sword
Date Posted: October 01 2010 at 20:49
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For the record all of you at Progressive Archives... Ritchie Blackmore (of Deep Purple ((... even though I like Rainbow better)) ) is progressive Rock. Tony Iommi (of Black Sabbath) isn't. But I like his riffs better. |
Posted By: Mr. Maestro
Date Posted: October 01 2010 at 22:03
That ALMOST sums up the way I feel, but Blackmore's technical skills are just enough to swing my vote in his direction. ------------- "I am the one who crossed through space...or stayed where I was...or didn't exist in the first place...." |
Mushroom Sword wrote:Posted By: Shevrzl
Date Posted: October 01 2010 at 22:53
| Interesting to see how the voting will progress. Went with Blackmore, the early Rainbow albums are simply outstanding. |
Posted By: chemebien
Date Posted: October 01 2010 at 23:01
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great poll... Iommi for me
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Posted By: sirfragalot86
Date Posted: October 02 2010 at 00:10
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While Iommi is a impressive guitarist on his own, I have to go with Blackmore. The reason is simply because of back in the early Deep Purple days like from 69-75ish, Blackmore was with purple doing 15,20, even 30 min live songs and often times were very improvised with solos and stuff. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: October 02 2010 at 00:20
| Meh. I don't like either. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 02 2010 at 01:26
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Tony Iommi by far! He´s one of creators of Heavy Metal. His riffs, dark sound and player technic are shortly congenial and difficult to copy. As regards relationships with Prog, many sogs of Black Sabbath are very close to this one, see also:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69551&KW=black+sabbath&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69551&KW=black+sabbath&PN=2
Besides, he´s playing on my favourite Gibson SG.
On the other hand, Blackmore is one most annoying personalities in whole Rock world. For example, if I think about Deep Purple, firstly comes to my mind Gillan´s vocals, following keyboards, as late as guitars. The same case is Rainbow, although this is Ritchie´s solo project in fact. Besides, his last project, Blackmore´s Night is the worst what he ever did and I consider this one rather as Prog Pop than Rock. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 02 2010 at 13:48
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Ritchie without hesitation. His soloing is incredible. I love Iommi too, but Ritchie had some memorable moments with DP and Rainbow. Moreover, he can play folk music ;-) ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 02 2010 at 13:51
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Tony Iommi has a very distinguished riffing and soloing style which I've also liked. I'm a bigger Deep Purple fan though, so many of Ritchie's solos and riffs are also faves of mine.
Toughie. I'll go with Ritchie just because I listened to Stormbringer not so long ago, while I haven't listend to Sabbath for a longer time lol.
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: October 02 2010 at 19:17
| Has Iommi done blues so I can compare further? |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: October 02 2010 at 19:21
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Hmmm this was a good one. I like both but Iommi for sure. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: October 02 2010 at 23:09
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With all due respect to everyone posting, but holy sh*te, has no one here ever heard Blackmore's solo on Child In Time? ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: October 02 2010 at 23:17
Iommi really. He's had to put up with all those Blackmore rejects on vocals  and all did better. Gillan and Born Again haters may disagree as Gillan was already great. Blackmore always seemed to have a great moment (Stargazer, Catch The Rainbow) while Iommi had great moments (Hand H, Tyr, any Ozzy era album) though not that many on Eternal Idol or Forbidden. Shame that. Though I hear the demos of the former might be released soon - with Ray Gillen on vox. They're good too The Forbidden ones are better than the album as well. Doesn't say much for Tony Martin yet he's a fine singer for Iommi. IMHO of course. Which reminds me the Born Again demos are often more popular than the album. Hopefully they will see the offical light of day. Neither seem to have done anything less than fine though. But Iommi's orchestrations, riffs (even though he's gone quite close to Blackmore's style at times...) are just great. Even an unfortunate result like She's Gone isn't so bad - just wish that had been instrumental, Blackmore has said he's been quite influenced by Tull. Iommi was in Tull, for about 5 mins 42 years ago... |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 04 2010 at 17:11
| I'm not sure if Iommi has ever played a solo like Blackmore did on "Pictures Of Home". And yes...the solo in "Child In Time" is way complicated and I don't think Iommi is that kind of player. People in the 80's I noticed didn't think that Blackmore could measure up to speed demons like Randy Rhodes or Steve Vai but, I believe they were missing something? It's not always his speed, it's what he plays....his phrasing that sounds so simple to the guitar hero gods....but, try sitting down and perfecting it sometime? I think Iommi was diverse but, I think that Blackmore was diverse in a more advanced fashion. I personally believe that Blackmore could play a Les Paul tune .....if he would only not be so lazy sometimes. I'm not sure if Iommi could perform a skill like that? As writers? I would have to listen all over again |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: October 05 2010 at 08:11
Personally, I go for Jethro Tull's ex-guitarist - here seen playing Blackmore's guitar...
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 05 2010 at 09:54
Listen to the first Sabbath album. Or listen to Live At Last. A lot of early Sabbath is blues based. Go on youtube and punch in Sabra Cadabra Pt 2 ( live ) 8/15 and youl hear him get into some blues grooves halfway through the solo. Even Ozzy gets into it! ------------- |
Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: October 05 2010 at 10:00
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Ritchie Blackmore on this one. Reason: anything he has done with Rainbow (especially Gates of Babylon).
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 11:51
The thing which always drove me a bit crazy regarding Blackmore, was the fact that he would turn off his distortion at a gig and start to play jazzy and bluesy improv. It gave you the idea that he was more schooled in guitar playing then the presentation of what he did in a Deep Purple rock song. He studied classical guitar at a young age and would add in snippets using a clean tone. He was sort of fooling people in some way I suppose. It depended on if he was in the mood to play like that. He was very shifty in that way. Especially with D.P. He had an interest in witchcraft supposedly but, if he did for sure.....it would appear that his inner turmoil along with fights between him and Gillian, caused him to drift further and further away from society. This realization of him was what in fact caused him to change his approach on the guitar for every performance. He had real dealings with how people related to him and their reaction. He carried that with him on stage. He was a strange rock guitarist to see live because you never knew what kind of a mood he would be in that night. If he was angry, he would display violence. He is the only rock guitarist I can think of that displayed a show out of pure personal anger. Townshend smashed many guitars as part of the act, where Blackmore was just being ignorant!
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 15:13
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Iommi is one of those people that I always thought could make a badass riff and whatnot, but after a while would start getting repetitive. Blackmore.....is god like. The Live Deep Purple from the early seventies hasn't proven this to me. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 16:31
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 16:32
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^Thats most certainly something you need to check out. I was never even a Sabbath fan, but I love that early stuff, specifically live. Very blues based. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Jazzywoman
Date Posted: October 16 2010 at 13:07
| Both are riff masters, but personally i think Blackmore is much better. I love Deep Purple and Black Sabbath, out of the two i prefer Sabbath, but Blackmores tone, ability, and performance overall are much more sophistocated and much more fluid than that of Tony. I mean, Tony has done awesome riffs like "Black Sabbath" and "Fairies Wear Boots," but when you listen to tracks like "Corncupia" and "Supernaut," both off the volume 4 album, you would see that his riffs and playing are slightly disjointed while Blackmore as has a fluid feel, just take "Woman From Tokyo" for example. It's a smooth riff, with the verses and chorses seem to flow well into each other. But...thats just me haha. |
Posted By: holy ghost
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 09:08
I don't know if you've seen the Deep Purple MKII DVD that was released with a concert of them in Denmark and then colour footage of them in NYC for 3 songs, but the NYC footage is incredibly well shot, it's at the time when Blackmore and Gillian weren't even speaking and the dynamics are hilarious - he looks so f**king bored throughout the show while playing, and it almost looks like Gillian is trying to annoy him during the call and response of Strange Kind Of Woman. It's amazingly interesting to watch the dynamics. Blackmore is fantastic but he seems like such a difficult person to work with, like sacking Glover because you're bored with him? How egotistical can you get? And then during Smoke On The Water he literally looks like he's asleep.......
That being said, it's just scary how good he is. It seems almost appropriate he was one of the greatest guitar players in the 70's and he's still playing and unable to work with almost anyone because he's just such a jerk. I'd expect nothing less form a guitar hero of that stature.
As far as the poll I can't vote but I like both equally for very different reasons. MK II Purple is some of the most amazing guitar playing, while Iommi is just the master of the riff...... I can't decide, well, I guess when buying guitars I've always bought an SG, never a Strat.... but that doesn't mean much ha ha........
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Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 09:11
I'm not a Sabbath fan so it has to be Blackmore
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Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 09:24
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I vote for Blackmore because more Prog.
In this view... For this type of axeman I prefer also Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page to Iommy because too more prog as concept of music. -------------  |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 14:43
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they were a match during their heyday, but blackmore has not produced one note of interest since 1978, iommi however kept digging up gems from his bottomless riff treasure box |
Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 14:55
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Tony Iommi!!!Doom metal!
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Posted By: Tursake
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 15:20
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Blackmore since I think hes superb whereas I don't really like Iommi. ------------- 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 11:07
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i love when Blackmore and Lord pushed eacother and played on and off eachother lile a 'rap-battle' with their classical chops anf flourishes. They seemd to love to tease eachother by showing of their technical muscles whil the rythm section did their best to follow. -------------  
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 11:10
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Iommi is God! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 11:26
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Love both but Iommi's tone is to die for. He f'ing invented heavy metal! ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 11:45
Tony by a mile. From overcoming his early career fingertip accident to basically invent heavy metal, to giving lymphoma the big middle finger the past few years and continuing to tour and record anyway, I've always considered Tony the most inspirational guitarist ever. Oh ya, and the first 5 Sabbath albums kill  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 12:09
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Iommi's riffs are fantastic, as is his guitar tone.....however, I must opt for Blackmore. Despite being a right moody bugger and taking a decidedly commercial route with Rainbow towards the end (after the glories of the Dio-era), he was one hell of a guitarist who mastered his instrument in so many different ways and showed a greater diversity in his playing. Iommi is a player I admire, and how he has overcome so much in his life is inspirational - but I must go with my head rather than my heart here. ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 12:18
| I really love both, but Iommi is just greater to me. Sabbath rules! I go with my heart! |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 12:18
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I'm sure Blackmore has greater technique, and is a more complete guitarist, but he's made far less music that I love than Iommi. Maybe because when it comes to heavy music I'm more interested in great riffs than blazing solos. And when it comes to great riffs the first six Sabbath albums are the Old and New Testament as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 12:24
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Ahahah so easy ! Iommi esp for his tone on Sabotage and several songs after like Over To You and Swingin' The Chain ------------- http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing ! https://bandcamp.com/machinechance/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - bandcamp collection |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 12:50
| I voted Blackmore. He comes off as the more skilled player. |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 14:17
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 16:25
That may be, but I wonder how good Ritchie would be without the middle and ring fingertips of his fretting hand  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 16:30
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 16:42
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Iommi. Sabbath meant more to me than Purple. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 17:07
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Blackmore is great, but Iommi is GOD! The Mothers of Invention make reverence to every single Iommi's riff.....he combined his fu***ng unique style with his compositional skills to create a whole new music form........ . ------------- The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories... |
Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 17:09
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36 votes and Iommi leading again! ;) ------------- The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories... |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 18:52
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 03 2018 at 07:36
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I suspect Blackmore is the better guitarst technically, but most days of the week I'd probably rather listen to Sabbath than Rainbow or DP, and I'm a fan of all three. Being objective though, I'll vote Blackmore. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 02:35
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Iommi. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: TexasKing
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 04:38
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I'm a big fan of both bands Purple and Sabbath, but Blackmore easily beats Iommi in my book. |
Posted By: Pigwheeler
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 06:20
| Tommy goddamnnit! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 07:38
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suspect I'd have more fun out on the town drinking with Tony... but as guitarist.. I'd damn sure want to learn from Ritchie. Love both but stylistically and range... Ritchie smokes Tony. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 08:35
If I were playing by objective rules and vote for those I consider the most naturally gifted for anything related to music, I'd have to put a guy like Franz Liszt way above most music that really moves me... But I never listen to Liszt and hardly enjoy 1/200 of what he composed. So what's your point there !?... Iommi might not win, or even he'll lose, in which case I'll consider ***YOU*** as the traitor who allowed this to happen (provided you really prefer Sabbath and Ritchie scores even / +1 in the end). ------------- http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing ! https://bandcamp.com/machinechance/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - bandcamp collection |
Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 10:37
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^Well said man! To hell with proficiency or musical instrument wizards/acrobats just for the show........ MANY rock guitarists are pretty gifted ones for that matter, however just a FEW of them appeal to me as great band or solo composers.....or even just innovative ones. And Tony Iommi falls right on my book of both talents, really one of a kind.... Oh ... I must admit that too much improvisation bores the hell out of me. Anyway I betchya! ..gonna check out that guy you mentioned, I'm afraid he's a helluva composer too .....hahahah . ------------- The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories... |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 01:29
I guess I interpreted the question differently, and yes there may be a difference between a 'favourite' musician and a 'most technically gifted' musician, but the question was not 'favourite band' I think Blackmore is a better soloist, and a more varied and versatile musician, but I would rather listen to Sabbath songs. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 03:22
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Yeah 'favourite musician', 'favourite band' .... who doesn't give a damn about it in polls like this right? Basically there are two kinds of people here:
1) those who care about the 'most technically gifted' heavy rock guitarist; 2) and those who really don't care much about his skills relevance for playing good heavy rock music ... simple like that. I'm on the second team ..of course. Now give me another music, and the approach can obviously change man..... ------------- The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories... |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 04:14
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Aside from being original and talented, Iommi played his entire career with home made prosthetics, having lost the finger tips of his right (fret board) hand when he was about 16. He gets it my book. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 08:44
| Depends whether I want to hear riffs or solos. For riffs, Iommi's the man. For leads, Blackmore was way ahead of his time, especially with Rainbow. That being said, I'd much rather hear Roth or Schenker's leads than Blackmore. |
Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 08:58
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How about this way to make sure: one is a producer and there's a band for which either Ritchie or Tony will be chosen first, then the other members. The chosen one should get the vote... ------------- http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing ! https://bandcamp.com/machinechance/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - bandcamp collection |