Why Do You Hate Genesis?
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Topic: Why Do You Hate Genesis?
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Subject: Why Do You Hate Genesis?
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 18:47
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I have hated Genesis for most of my life.The best thing that ever happened to Peter Gabriel was getting out ot that pretentious freaking monumental catastrophic disaterous poor excuse. Trespass SUCKS. Selling England By The Pound SUCKS. Foxtrot SUCKS. But the thing that really annoys me about this dumb band is that in the music store they are always just before the Gentle Giant section and Gentle Giant happen to be my favourite band. Genesis has put me through more torture than you can imagine. I hope that Ihave expressed myslf in a very communicative manner. Now tell ME why do yo hate Genesis? ------------- |
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 18:48
Wayhay!!! Vibros back!!!! And talking crap as usual! |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Posted By: nacho
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 18:50
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Somebody give him a Valium...
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 18:50
| I know, maybe because you are not a fan of their music??? |
Posted By: frippertronik
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 18:56
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hey vibrationbaby, i know why do you hate genesis. because you never heard their music, and you only want to discuss. but genesis is one of the most great bands ever!!! ------------- a plague of lighthouse keepers |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:00
I don't think you ought to be Collaborator with that opinion. But that's just my opinion. It's like being a member of a club which diggs classic music and not dig Beethoven, IMO. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:02
Welll... We have collaborators that hate ELP and Yes???? |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:03
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That's why you shouldnt be allowed an opinion FC! I cant stand Gentle Giant but love Genesis...it's all a matter of taste! One man's meat.... |
Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:05
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:07
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I don't. I think they are slightly overrated, but i still like them, and love some of thier music. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:10
I'm a collaborator and I loathe Genesis. There is no rule which states you must like this or that band to be a prog fan. If most of the music you listen to is prog... then you're a prog fan. End of matter. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:15
I just stated MY opinion. Didn't say anything about a role. Just seem strange to most of the members on this forum, I should think |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:16
Equally strange..."hate", that's a very strong word....strange, all this hate.... |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:18
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Genesis is one of my all time favorites, and I don't understand what
you find so insulting about their mere existence. Having said that,
diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks so... Hate Away! 
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Lyzarrd
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:18
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Why do I hate Genesis? Hmm...I don't. In fact, I love Genesis!  ------------- Can you tell me where my country lies... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:20
Reading the last two posts, I think evil might have yo resign 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:20
Yes, it does cause I love love love Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound 
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:21
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You have to realize that people have their opinions and are entitled to them. What's this garbage about "not letting him be a Collaborator because he doesn't like Genesis?" Who said that to be a progressive rock fan you have to like Genesis? But I like Genesis though.... |
Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:24
Sorry I do not hate Genesis. I grew up listening them. I really apologize for not hating them. 
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Posted By: The Letter M
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:24
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Genesis is my third favorite band, and they quickly became so, having only been discovered by myself only a few months ago! Since then, I've gotten all their albums (I'm an obsessive completionist about collections...). They're not bad, and even their pop hits are still pretty good songs in their own right.
However, their influence among later and modern prog rock bands is great. Their collective virtuosities made fantastic music, and it's a shame they're no longer together as they once were. -Marc. ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know. I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose free will. If I die tomorrow, I`d be alright because I believe that after we`re gone, the spirit carries on. |
Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:26
I did .. ------------- ...this is called....BleedingGum ... ! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:28
...as you said, everyone has their opinions, that's mine.... |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:31
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hey, ian , you are back! well, genesis makes me vibrate! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:31
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Genesis?? Who's Genesis?? Actually, I can take em or leave em. I like Trespass and SEBtP the best but I don't like Foxtrot, TotT or W and W much at all. If this thread was against Yes, I would have gotten all upset ------------- Best of 2006 that I've heard: PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:32
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Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:33
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Genesis had a good instrumental department, and they should have put it to more use, rather than have Gabriel disrupt it with inane lyrics. At some points they are great(The 1. part of 'Ikhnaton and itsacon and their band of merry men' from 'Supper's Ready', the instrumental passage in 'Firth Of Fifth') at some other points they cook vomit('More Fool Me', approximately 85% of "The Lamb). Indeed they are overrated, as are many other prog bands who sacrifice instrumental power to have redundant vocals. Fast forward button usage is inevitable, but at least they did have their peaks, making them a worthwhile listen. |
Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:34
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:38
on the other side of that sword their are a million prog bands with no lyrics and redundant music (usually fusion bands). sometims you fidn yourself begging for lyrics to break monotony of muisc. ------------- 
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Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:47
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But those bands aren't overrated. They are hardly even rated. The solution to a poor instrumental setup is not vocals, its making good instrumental music. |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:50
I agree. The drummer is Lion King's boy, the vocals are BAD, the guitar is the only good part, the bass is normal, and the keyboards are cheesy. Their songs are AWFUL, in the most. ------------- And above all, is punk 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:50
thats 'cause you suck ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:51
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Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:52
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 20:40
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I dont hate em i yust think they are very very very overated they are not as good as some people whuld make you belive, I have bought Foxtrot and selling england..., and i think they are both preety good but hardly any master pieaces or the best prog albums ever never! Their is way to many flaws in bothe of them, to be caled great. And even everyones favorite Suppers ready have many bad parts me thinks. none of therir songs makes me feel the same way that my ather favorite prog bands do, i guees they are not my cup of tea, So i say give me ELP any day yust dont make me lisen too genesis ever again please ------------- 
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 21:13
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that's too bad. you like KC over Genesis though? (im going by your avatar) -------------
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Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 21:32
I don't. I love Genesis. And you need professional help. ------------- "Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin |
Posted By: SheriffJB
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 21:51
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Because they suck! Just kidding . . . I love Genesis. The work they did was incredible - from the lyrics to the instrumentation. Foxtrot, personally, has been one of my favorite albums since I first listened to music. Perhaps the reason I love them is they could play such complex music with such grace. Perhaps I just love the melodies, the solos, the songs themselves (I'm not that analytical of music when it comes to whether I like it or not). ------------- Tom MacMillan Sacramento, CA 
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Posted By: SheriffJB
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 21:53
It's not that some people would "lead you to believe" that Genesis are good . . . It's that music is relative. Whether a person thinks Genesis is great or not depends on the person themselves . . . ------------- Tom MacMillan Sacramento, CA
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Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 21:55
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I love it when people make claims with no real backup and just say it "SUCKS". I think i'll go listen to Foxtrot
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 22:12
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Vibrationbaby wrote:
Before somebody tells you why does he/she hates Genesis, better tell us why you hate Genesis, you only say Trespass , SEBTP and Foxtrot suck, and that hardly is a valid reason, If you don't give a reason, then don't ask others, or are you looking for an argument to justify your hate for them? You only say they are pretentious (after a couple of adjectives wrote without any coherence), well Gentle Giant is at least as pretentious as Genesis (as 99% of Prog' bands) and even when they are not my cup of tea, I don't believe they suck. Vibrationbaby wrote:
Genesis is before Gentle Giant in the stores only because of alphabetical order, and that hardly is a reason to hate them, and if this is your main argument, I sincerely encourage you to visit a shrink because you have a bad case of neurosis.
If you listen them once or twice, they may be inflicting you torture (even when I'm sure they never tried to do that or even cared), but if as it seems, you have listened them a lot, you're the one self inflicting you torture, don't blame Genesis for your masochist tendencies. Vivrationbaby wrote:
No you haven't. I understand if it is your taste, you're entitled to it, but if you are going to offer irrational excuses, don't ask for a valid reason. Iván BTW: Genesis is the best band in the whole progressive history, and I won't justify my taste. ------------- 
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Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 22:52
| its not that i hate it, i just dont like their style. it seems way to, welll, lets say lanky and open for me, and thats also probly whjy im not the biggest gentle giant fan or vdgg fan. i personally dont like almost alll genisus cd's exept for selling englad by the pund, the albums like foxtrot seem to have no high point, or "super lovely moment" it seems to be the same,"tone" throughout the whole song as suppers ready, not the same beat or rythem, it just feels the same, i am guessing thats whjy so many people like them. its good althe way through, too you guys, not to me! i just dont like them and i dont think they are that good. |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 23:35
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I hate them cos they were so damn good ... I'll always think of Genesis as the defining symphonic rock band, although I disagree with somebody's (was it Flowerchild?) view that Vibrationbaby shouldn't be a collaborator cos he hates Genesis ... It'll be a pretty dull prog fan who uniformly loves Genesis, Yes, Rush, KC, ELP, VDGG, Gentle Giant, Canterbury, Italian symphonic, Krautrock, prog-metal, neo-prog and RIO ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
... and maybe because the classic line-up split up ... Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 23:37
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I have to say, I love Genesis.
I find Gentle Giant quite awful! ------------- And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..." Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 23:37
...i agree anyone who loves krautrock, prog metal, neo-prog and *especially* RIO should NOT be a collaborator. -------------
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 23:49
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I love Gabriel.... because i love genesis (gabriel era) but i hate when he and hackett leave the band.... really really.... i hate phil collins ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 00:16
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I love 'em. Especially Selling England and the Lamb. Foxtrot isn't my
favorite, particularly because of Supper's Ready. Just could never get
into it! Also I've always loved Watcher of the Skies.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 00:33
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Eddy wrote:
Let me see if I get you: Foxtrot has no high point and it's an album of just one tone? Supper's Ready neither?
Please listen the album carefully before saying this kind of things, if you don't have valid arguments, just say you don't like Genesis, it's better because at the end it's your taste and nobody can say anything about your taste, but don't give absurd arguments. Iván -------------
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Posted By: robertplantowns
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 01:12
| I FULLY agree that Genesis utterly sucks. I've given them chances on many occasions and their music just continues to suck no matter what state or mood I'm in. I love almost all progressive rock and can stand even most prog bands that I don't particularly like, but I CANNOT STAND GENESIS. Whether people listen to them because they're upheld as prog-gods by the prog community and are told that they're the epitome of prog, or whether many prog-heads like them for their music is highly debatable. But i'll say it again and I will not falter or hesitate, GENESIS IS THE WORST PROGRESSIVE ROCK BAND EVER! |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 01:34
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I suspect some people dislike (Genesis) (insert name of popular prog
band here) for reasons of their own image. They can't be seen liking something so popular and obvious. Unless it is atonal, grates the ear and/or incomprehensible, they will not admit to enjoying it. Their enjoyment of a band/artist seems inversely proportional to how widely regarded it is. And stating so in a public forum seems to me to be an assertion of their 'superior' taste, when there is no such thing. Difference, yes, but not superiority. Sadly, what we think we OUGHT to like dominates some of us so much we miss out on the joys such music might bring us. Humans are funny. Constantly finding ways to make their lives narrower and less joyful. Good luck to them. |
Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 02:44
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Posted By: the dragon
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 02:55
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I love Genesis. The best symphonic rock band, till Hackett (not Gabriel) leave the band.
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 03:09
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"Opinions are like arseholes - Everybody has them". Most prog-fans (Symphonic prog esp) should surely find a gem or two on the Genesis albums from 1970-1975 - If not then I suggest YOU ARE NOT A SYMPHONIC PROG ROCKER and perhaps a metal-head or noise-freak ??? ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 03:18
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Won't waste more time at this thread because I love a good discussion when somebody offers ideas or arguments I don't agree with but in this case I read:
With this lack of arguments it's impossible to discuss, if you dare to say any band is the worst ever you need a hell of strong arguments to justify such a strong opinion, if youdon't have those arguments better don't give this kind of opinions. So, if you don't like them, say it, there's no trouble with that, and say it loud if you want, it's your taste and you need no arguments for taste, I don't like most of King Crimson for example; but it would be absolutely moronic to say they suck or are the worst band ever just because I don't like them. So keep on with that if you want, if somebody has an intelligent argument, I will be there to debate. Iván -------------
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Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 03:37
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Sob...
It hurts me reading so much hatred towards Genesis. I simply LOVE Genesis...they come just one step below the Beatles, which I consider the root of all modern music (the one I'm really into, at least) And when I say I love Genesis I mean from From Genesis To Revelation to Calling all Stations Peter Gabriel's vocals literally make me shiver, and I think Phil Collins is an excellent singer for his own. I also think Ray Wilson has a beautiful voice, at times even warmer than Peter's (check the acoustic live version of Lover's Leap on the flip side of the Shipwrecked single). I don't think that Genesis ended when Peter left: in fact A Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering are my favourite albums...surely they have steered heavily towards pop music during the 80s, yet I find tracks like Mama or Domino simply great! My ratings:
It grieves me to think there won't be a new Genesis release... ------------- A flower? 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 05:27
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Everyones entitled to their opinions. Even if their opinions reveal them to have no taste at all..!! I love Genesis. Their music is superb and unique. They are the best song writers in prog IMO. Tony Banks is one the greatest song writers and rock keyboard players of all time. His chord progressions are unusual and highly effective, he can play melodies that make grown men weep instantly. Phil Collins is one of the greatest fusion drummers I have heard. His style and sound worked perfectly with Genesis. Hacket is a brilliant melodic guitarist, with a unique style and sound, Peter Gabriel was a great showman, an unmistakable singer and a complete freak, making Bowie look like Cliff Richard. Their music is very kind to the ears. I dont have any bands that I hate, but of all the prog I'm aware of King Crimson is probably among my least favourite, as so much of their stuff sounds like noisey experimentation for the sake of it to me. Not enough focus on actually writing good songs. IMO... ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 05:42
I agree completely! There are very few dissonant sonorities in their work (The Waiting Room excluded maybe...), which makes their music enough easy-listenable...which in turn helps people who are not "aficionados" of the genre to approach their efforts with less distrust than they might have for other prog acts! I'm very fond of the "extended-song" formula...and I think that a crafty songwriting can be more enjoyable than adventurous experimentation. Always IMHO, obviously!
(P.S.: besides this, I however think that King Crimson are able to develop very pleasing songs...take Starless - my favourite - The Night Watch, Ladies of the Road, Lady of the Dancing Water, One time, Eyes wide open or the whole first album) ------------- A flower?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 05:44
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Posted By: firth_of_Fifth
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 05:46
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I find it odd that some people don't like Genesis. Given that I hated them when I first heard them...Mainly because I had realised the kind of music I wanted to write had already been done before. (I was blown away) That was Trespass. Favorite band will always be The Beatles though! ------------- http://www.myspace.com/chrisblackwell" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/chrisblackwell |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 05:49
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Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 06:31
| That's weird. My post got sandwiched in the middle of Losendos' post. |