Is Univers Zero´s Heresie the darkest album ever?
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Topic: Is Univers Zero´s Heresie the darkest album ever?
Posted By: el böthy
Subject: Is Univers Zero´s Heresie the darkest album ever?
Date Posted: August 11 2010 at 23:32
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I think it is. I mean, I just put it on and had to switch off cause I´m pretty sure I was gonna go into some dark territory (I´m shall we say... under the influence of a certain grass), and I was about to really freak out! I had forgotten just how dark this album actually is! Do you agree with me on this? If not, which is for you the darkest album out there? ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 11 2010 at 23:37
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TD's Zeit dark, as in the furthest unreachable depths (yes, I know, sic) of space |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 11 2010 at 23:58
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Nah, Penderecki is way darker, and then there's also noise. You probably only think that because you're high. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 00:10
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The album cover for Zeit is one of my all-time favorites, and yes, I would say it's darker than Heresie (although I've only given both of these about four full listens). But maybe when I'm smoking pot I might think differently. Which I don't, admins.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 00:11
  As for prog, there is this:And Jacula is pretty dark as well: |
Henry Plainview wrote:Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 00:46
| Haven't heard Jacula, but Shub Niggurath's Les Morts Vont Vite is definitely a lot darker than Heresie. (high or not O_o) |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 00:53
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up there... but some Sunn 0))) gets atleast as dark especially live! Mayhem always seems super dark, but mabe because of the back story more than the music its self ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 01:09
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 07:46
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I used to think so but KD's Coyote has overtaken it now. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 08:00
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Black Sabbath, VdGG, King Crimson, Present, Magma... You can find A LOT of bands which are claimed to be the darkest bands and, therefore, the bands which have recorded "TEH DARKEST ALBUM EVAH". UZ is not merry, but I could mention PIL's Second Edition, O-Type's Mommy (the sole album I have from this off-shoot of MX-80).... But, you see, sometimes, I feel very, very, very depressed when listening to some disco music. So, I'm probably not the most indicated person to talk about dark music! |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 08:31
I agree. Penerecki's sixties-compositions might be the most terrifyingly dark music I know of. Probably because unlike UZ, its never about being dark. Still, I find Heresie (and Zeit) wonderfully dark as well. But not as eh... cathartic... Haven't heard any noise that's profoundly dark like Threnody, Dies Irae, De Natura Sonoris..., but I got to admit I'm neither an expert or the biggest fan of the genre. Its brutal at times, but most of the time I don't "believe" in it enough to feel its darkness. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: EdgarKarg
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 08:48
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I used to freak out to Negură Bunget's "Om" while being under the same... circumstances... I Think Tangerine Dreams "Atem" does the job quite well, too. Especially "Wahn" gave me the creeps.
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 08:53
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The darkest album in the Rock genre? Maybe (and I've listened to Zeit.) The darkest album ever? No.
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 08:54
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If we're staying strictly within the territory of PA, then Heresie takes some beating. Shub Niggurath went into even darker places, especially on Testament, and there's a group improvisation by Renee Garber, Klaus Blasquiz, Jannick Top and Christian Vander - Sons - that definitely should not be listened to if you're under the influence. Then there's John Zorn's Moonchild albums, especially the fantastic Astronome, and Fantomas' Dielirium Cordia. Even so, I don't think anything on those albums quite out does La Faulx.
Unlike many of the other posters, I don't find Zeit to be particularly dark, and I often listen to it as I drift off to sleep.
------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 09:03
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"The Fall of the House of Usher" by Peter Hammill in the 1999 version is extremely dark. Also Offering's "A Fïïèh" album. Unfortunately I can't find sound examples for that. And "the soundtrrack to Roman Polanski''s "Macbeth" by the Third Ear Band. Here a few examples: -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 09:42
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 10:13
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The most impressionable dark record for me was..."In the Shadow Of the Sun" by Throbbing Gristle. Not the typical affair with T.G. except for the noise. The voices which are heard on the recording are chantings, bellowed chours, screams, and are all from a distance. Picture yourself sitting at the edge of an extremely huge open field which leads into wooded areas. As you sit you can hear the rites progress but, from a distance which creates more of an errie effect. Something I often experienced as a child. It will creep you out. The whole idea of sound distance instead of chants recorded up front like in Heresie creates something of a realization which is chilling.Throbbing Gristle are God awful. It's just this one record which I make personal reference to. If you ever get the chance to hear it, especially after getting high, you might consider drinking a bottle of Coke to give nervous energy. The pot (if it is quality weed), will force your physical energy to freeze....and you don't want that to happen when this cd is playing. You might want to stay half awake or alert to pursue something different for your day's activities. It's like getting high before you visit your buddy who is a resident at the local mental hospital. Something we thought was real cute and daring to do in the 70's. Once you've stepped out of your car and are on the grounds, you will wish to be alert and not high. The Throbbing Gristle title has the same effect. |
Posted By: Mr. Maestro
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 11:25
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I've heard a great deal about a band called Devil Doll, but the reviews I've read of their albums have given me the impression that they are among the darkest and scariest ever recorded.
As such, I've been too scared to give them a listen.
 As for albums I've heard, Godspeed You! Black Emperor's Slow Riot for New Zero Kanada and VdGG's Pawn Hearts take the cake.
------------- "I am the one who crossed through space...or stayed where I was...or didn't exist in the first place...." |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 11:34
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I don't know most of the candidates offered by others here so I can not judge. It is allways a problem to answer such a question. One needs to hear every album ever made (and that is impossible). I can claim that "Les morte von vite" and "The fall of the house of Usher" are not as dark as Heresie (and the same with every KC, VDGG and Magma album I heared and at least with the first 2 I heared quite a few).
So, my answer is : from what I heared, definitely yes !!!
Keep in mind that I did not use that type of grass you are talking about for the last 25 years. ------------- omri |
Posted By: Klogg
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 13:58
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Les Morts Vont Vite was made by dead people (or by the Death herself). -------------  Pentagram Pizza YumYum Bloody 
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 14:14
| Black Mass/Lucifer.....by Mort Garson is a special dark electronic album. It has never offically been released because some major criminal domestic record label is either not leasing the rights to an independently owned prog label or the Garson family (hope to God), is planning to release Mort's entire back catalog soon. .....For the last 2 decades there has been no sign of this recording ever being released on any label. That is a total disgrace when you think of all the electronic recordings that have been remasterd, rehashed, retrashed, bonus this, bonus that, re-recorded, slip case, digi-pack, Japanese gatefold, and this one is left in the dust? What a bunch of high on the hog a...holes we have running the business. Believe me....this one is truly a unique dark collection of recordings from the master Garson. |
Posted By: zappadaddy
Date Posted: August 21 2010 at 13:15
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This album is very dark but somehow diffrently then Heresie or any other album I have heard.While most projects which sound dark are mostly about Hell,Plastic people of the Universe & Agon orchestra are working within a triangle Eart-Heaven and Hell.If you ask me,I can't explain my theory,it's just my feeling.Goosebumps were risen all over while listening this album today,unbeliavable experience.You must read lyrics from the booklet to undesrtand and to get into this music because it is not easy listening.You must like most albums mentioned above to be ready for this one!!! http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs477.snc3/26146_375446756271_106398516271_3801596_1057105_n.jpg - http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs477.snc3/26146_375446756271_106398516271_3801596_1057105_n.jpg ------------- My heroes are Frank Zappa,Ozzy Osbourne,The Plastic People of the Universe,Sun Ra and Mirek Wanek from Uz jsme doma |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: August 22 2010 at 17:40
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I guess I have some dark albums to listen to... fortunatly I´ve run out of weed!
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: August 22 2010 at 18:20
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Igor Wakhewitch, Univers Zero, Art Zoyd, Shub Niggurath, Penderecki... they're all pretty dark. It's hard to say which is the darkest album ever for me, though. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: August 22 2010 at 20:56
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Scott Walkers' The Drift is THE DARKEST ALBUM OF ALL TIME. Seriously. It is truly nightmarish. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: zappadaddy
Date Posted: August 23 2010 at 04:25
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Aslo Death in June and Current 93 has very dark atmosfere.
------------- My heroes are Frank Zappa,Ozzy Osbourne,The Plastic People of the Universe,Sun Ra and Mirek Wanek from Uz jsme doma |