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Topic: The prog "Grunge"?
Posted By: Weirdamigo
Subject: The prog "Grunge"?
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:12
This Thread was made to test a theory of mine ( and to win a bet with my friend ). I have noticed that a fair amount prog-lovers have a certain liking for one or two grunge bands.
Now some of the Grunge bands, which have been mentioned above, have been influenced mostly by Punk and Metal but also, to a lesser extent, by progressive rock, whether the bands know it or notTongue.

Even though some bands are just loud and obnoxious (Sorry Nirvana fans) Kurt Cobain listed "Red" by King Crimson as a major influence. 

Now to the theory of mine. I want to see which is the favorite Grunge band of my fellow prog enthusiasts.
If my theory is correct that certain band will get the most votes by far. 

Hope you guys like even though it's not really prog-relatedSmile. I will post that certain bands name when enough votes come in.



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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:14
^I don't know them all, but I think I know which band is the one you're thinking of, it's Soundgarden, right?
 
Anyway, my favorite is not them, for me it has to be Eddie Vedder & Co.


Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:14
Grunge is the genre that killed music. No vote.


Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:15
Tool

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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:16
There's a section called "General Polls" for things like this. Just so you know for next time. Smile

Alice in Chains is the best grunge band without a shadow of a doubt. Soundgarden and PJ are tied for second. Then Nirvana.


Posted By: Weirdamigo
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:18
Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

^I don't know them all, but I think I know which band is the one you're thinking of, it's Soundgarden, right?
 
Anyway, my favorite is not them, for me it has to be Eddie Vedder & Co.

Not quite but it was a good guess Smile
And yes Pearl Jam happens to be my favorite "grunge" band although they're not really grunge.


Posted By: Weirdamigo
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:21
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

There's a section called "General Polls" for things like this. Just so you know for next time. Smile

Alice in Chains is the best grunge band without a shadow of a doubt. Soundgarden and PJ are tied for second. Then Nirvana.

I guess that shows i'm still a newbie but know i know for next time Smile.

Looks like my friend has to pay up if things go this way Big smile



Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:22
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Grunge is the genre that killed music.
 
That's not in the options. Ermm
 
Grunge, for me, was a great revival of 70's hard rock with 80's metal influences. A great relief from weak metal genres like Power Metal and Glam Metal, and it's good to know that these were popular unlike other 90's stuff that was complete crap.
 
Though I know you just are an unshamed post-eighties-phobic.


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:22
I can't agree with Walter that music is "dead" (I like plenty of other newer music), but I don't seem to like any grunge. I find it painful. (I think radio music went way downhill when it came along.)
To me, "prog grunge" would seem to be oxymoronic. (Even the words would seem to be at odds.) 
 
Smile But carry on! I only post this by way of representing one -- perhaps mainly older -- prog fan perspective on grunge.


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:25
wrong section


Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:26
Definitely Soundgarden.

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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:28
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

wrong section
 
They have already corrected the poster, no need to remind him again and in such a cold way.


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:30
Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

wrong section
 
They have already corrected the poster, no need to remind him again and in such a cold way.


Missed that, and I didn't think I was being cold. 


Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:32
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

wrong section
 
They have already corrected the poster, no need to remind him again and in such a cold way.


Missed that, and I didn't think I was being cold. 
 
If you know that he's a new guy, you can tell him where the correct section is, and since you're here, you can add something to the purpose of the poll...


Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:41
Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Tool
I agree. Undertow was a great grunge album and very proggy.
But since its not an option I'll go with soundgarden, I mean they have a song with someone playing the spoons. Whats not prog about that? LOL


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Posted By: chemebien
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:47
Blind Melon?


Posted By: Weirdamigo
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:49
Originally posted by Synchestra Synchestra wrote:

Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Tool
I agree. Undertow was a great grunge album and very proggy.
But since its not an option I'll go with soundgarden, I mean they have a song with someone playing the spoons. Whats not prog about that? LOL

I wanted to put Tool as an option but my friend said ( translated from serbian): "No Dude you can't put them on the poll! They're alternrock and you know it" 
I granted him that wish because he was going to lose anyway. Details of the bet later on. Smile

Edit: sorry chemebien me and my friend always thought of Blind Melon as an alternative rock band




Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:57
From the list, Soundgarden. Outside the list, The Melvins, of course.


Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 17:00
Yeah, I'm stretching the grunge definition a lot, but I say Tool and the Pumpkins are the closest things to prog-grunge

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Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 17:09
Soundgarden is the proggiest/most psychedelic from the list, AIC - the heaviest, Nirvana - the greatest... PJ - a nice rocking band, never uderstood the "grunge" label though, probably it was invented for wannabies such as Stone Temple Pilots... and No, the so called grunge did not kill music, it saved it from the awful hair metal so it was one of the most progressive things to happen in the early 90s :)

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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 02:04
These bands had nothing in common with prog. Why some peoples confuse this fact, Pearl Jam, Nirvana,  Stone Temple PIlots , Alice in Chain prog????, no way. They are pure grunge, and better remain this way. Anyway I like Alice in Chains, they are by far the best band from this genre.


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 05:24
Black Hole Sun is prog, IMO. 

I don't think that Soundgarden are suitable for inclusion, but some of their songs are prog.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 06:27
I'm going with Nirvana but admittedly don't know this genre very well.

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Posted By: Weirdamigo
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 06:28
I always saw Soundgarden as the most Prog grunge band having some prog-ish songs. My Friend always said otherwise looks like I proved him wrong Big smile.

Anyway I wanted to tell you guys about the bet which I sadly lost a couple of minutes ago. I said the more melodic grunge bands, who survived after the Grunge craze died, would get the most votes, but I could only choose one band and it had to get 40% of all votes.
Two bands came to mind Pearl Jam and Soundgarden.
I thought about which band I should choose for the bet ( while listening to "Ten" and "Superunknown" respectively) and foolishly chose Pearl Jam.
If I had chosen Soundgarden I would have won but you can't win 'em all I guess.

Now I have to buy that b*****d drinks for 2 weeks. 
On the bright side my theory was correct , in a way. Grunge bands that diversify are the favorable ones.
Thanks Guys for voting it means a lot to us Grunge kids. Smile

Oh and keep voting maybe I can still avoid buying 4 gallons of drinks in the following 2 weeks!


Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 06:53
Alice in Chains. They are grunge, but have flashes of heavy-prog on songs like, "I Stay Away" and "No Excuses."


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 16:50
The heaviest psychedelic purge coming from Seattle was the short-lived projetc Temple of the Dog.
Soundgarden + Pearl Jam / Mother Love Bone = TotD.

After all, one of their song lasted 11 minutes - they had it hard and long overcoming the grief over the death of Andrew Wood.


Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 17:26
I demand Soundgarden (Superunknown) and Pearl Jam (Ten) to be the most prog related bands listed here Smile


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 17:32
I picked Soundgarden. Green River and Mudhoney are the roots......Nirvana should not even be considered grunge, they were pop music loved by MTV and FM radio......Cobain is a doosh.
 
Alice In Chains, hard metal......Pearl Jam like em a lot...but I struggle calling them hardcore grunge...pop rock music probably in my book.


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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 17:36
Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Tool

This. Tool was considered part of the Grunge circuit for several years when they still had that 'raw' sound to their productions. They shared fans with Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Rage Against The Machine, and I believe were friends with folks in those bands, also. 

I don't consider Tool 'grunge' myself, but there you go. 


Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 18:23
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Tool

This. Tool was considered part of the Grunge circuit for several years when they still had that 'raw' sound to their productions. They shared fans with Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Rage Against The Machine, and I believe were friends with folks in those bands, also. 

I don't consider Tool 'grunge' myself, but there you go. 
Yeah, Adam Jones (Tool) is pretty good friends with Tom Morello (RAtM).  I believe they were in a band together long ago, called the Electric Sheep, I believe.

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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 18:26
These are all Melvins tracks. Just look at the duration of the songs. I stand by my vote. The most Prog Related grunge band are absolutely The Melvins. Not a traditional Prog act, but surely the most experimental of the grunge ones.
 
Eye Flys     6:16
Revulsion/We Reach     6:21
Boris   8:34
Hung Bunny     10:42
Roman Dog Bird     7:38
Sacrifice   6:07
Hag Me     7:06
Spread Eagle Beagle     10:13
Chief Ten Beers   6:28
Roll Another One   14:20
At the Stake  7:56
Shevil  6:29
Lividity  9:15
Goggles 6:30
They All Must Be Slaughtered 8:17
Air Breather Deep in the Arms of Morphius 12:12
Manky 7:22
The Green Manalishi 6:54
Let It All Be   10:48
Jew Boy Flower Head   6:06
Prig   8:47
Mine Is No Disgrace  8:21
Divorced 14:42
The Man with the Laughing Hand Is Dead 11:26
Moon Pie 12:44
Lovely Butterflies 6:02
The Fool, the Meddling Idiot     7:49
Foaming  7:47
The Anti-Vermin Seed     15:51
A History of Bad Men   6:43
The Mechanical Bride"   6:26
A Vast Filthy Prison   6:40
Dog Island   7:32 


Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 18:32
The Melvins are grunge?

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 18:35
Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

The Melvins are grunge?


Well, the right question should be: "Is there such a thing as "grunge rock"?"
I vaguely remember some interviews by Kurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder and many others saying: "No". Some even add: "that's bullsh*t from a bunch of a****le musical journalists who don't know f**king sh*t about rock".

More or less.

After all, I also remember some critics adding L7 or Sonic Youth to the Grunge train...


Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 18:36
Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

The Melvins are grunge?
 
To me they are a Sludge Metal band. But you know, they come from Seattle and reached their peak of popularity in the 90's, so, as many other Seattle bands they were labelled grunge. Plus, they were a big influence for some Grunge bands sound (for example, Nirvana's debut Bleach).


Posted By: Klogg
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 18:40
Ermmm.
Grunge is a genres made by a bunch of playboys that wanted to be punk. But they didn't know nothing about anarchy and rebelion, so they just play punk's easy riffs with sort of melancholy (just to make something "new"). In the end, they are still a bunch of playboys


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 19:13
Queensryche are from Seattle ergo they are grunge Ermm eh NO.
 
my favouritte are Soundgarden, the most obscure of the big four and most experimental and most technical and complex and were also one of the founders of grunge (together with Green River, Mudhoney and Mother Love Bone) they also in the meantime lead down the foundation for Stooner metal (which were made into a genere by Kyuss) they are also said to be the first Alternative metal band.
 
Badmotorfinger and Superunkown are both technical onslought of fearouchious metal with a punky attitude and psychadelic  undertones.


Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 22:11
I used to be into Grunge, but I haven't listened to the genre in a few years... I would pick Pearl Jam, though.  Nirvana should never be picked for anything ever, except maybe the most overrated band of all time.

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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 22:55
I guess Alice in Chains can fall under grunge.

But gunna go classic.
Nirvana


Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: August 04 2010 at 07:31
Definitely Alice in Chains is the proggiest grunge band.

The blending of hard and soft music, all the work with acoustic guitars...
They're probably my favorite non-prog band too.


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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: August 04 2010 at 08:04
Originally posted by Synchestra Synchestra wrote:

Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Tool
I agree. Undertow was a great grunge album and very proggy.
But since its not an option I'll go with soundgarden, I mean they have a song with someone playing the spoons. Whats not prog about that? LOL


Plus they played in 7 a lot.  Definitely a prog affectation.



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Posted By: caretaker
Date Posted: August 04 2010 at 08:05
Never cared much for any grunge but my kids did for awhile. I do like Soundgarden though.


Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: August 04 2010 at 12:21
I consider Alice in Chains to be a more alternative-metal band but still in the "grunge" scene. I would vote for them.

Tool's early albums are close to grunge as well but I very much prefer their later stuff.

As for the most prog "gurnge-influenced" band, that might be Karnivool...


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 04 2010 at 17:00
The best answer I know of is Mother Love Bone. Then it's Soundgarden.


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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: August 04 2010 at 17:02
lol the guy who voted STP truly doesn't give a sh*t.

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Posted By: TheClosing
Date Posted: August 04 2010 at 17:12
lol @ the guy who started this whole Tool is grunge thing. Opiate and Undertow can simply be considered hard rock or heavy metal. There's also an apparent sludge influence on those two records. 

My vote goes to AiC. I know they were dissatisfied with being labeled as grudge, and forced to wear flannel by the record company. It's true that the music is very much hard rock or heavy metal, but I still consider them in essence a grudge band especially as far as vocals and lyrics go. 

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

As for the most prog "gurnge-influenced" band, that might be Karnivool...

I don't hear it. Well, at least not in either Themata or Sound Awake. 




Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: August 04 2010 at 19:18
Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

wrong section
 
They have already corrected the poster, no need to remind him again and in such a cold way.


Missed that, and I didn't think I was being cold. 
 
If you know that he's a new guy, you can tell him where the correct section is, and since you're here, you can add something to the purpose of the poll...


You are wise beyond your years.

My vote goes for Alice in Chains.  The vocal harmonies that Staley and Cantrell were able to pull off put them heads and tails above the other grunge bands in my opinion.


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 22:36
It's enjoyable in small doses, but I will agree that
Grunge is the fail punk


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Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 22:42
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 22:45
Iiiiiii'm the man, in the box.

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 23:42
AiC

Easy


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 23:47
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Iiiiiii'm the man, in the box.

JEEEEEEEEEEEEESUUUS CHRIST!


i Heart u

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Posted By: Wiktor Hatif
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 02:57
Alice in Chains and Soundgarden Clap

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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 14:12

What is grunge?
Except for some clone bands like Stone Temple Pilots, the bands listed here have little in common with one another.
I'd pick the Melvins as most genre- and boundary-breaking band from this scene, so I would have picked them if they were in the list Tongue


Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 17:23
never heard of "prog" grunge.

The Melvins are rather experimental (I didn't say "prog") but besides coming from Seattle, they don't have anything in common with their friends in grunge bands.

(Metal Church are also from Seattle by the way).


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 18:36
 
Sorry for the crappy sound...
 
but this video make me crye in joy for now Soungarden is BACK, i hope the travvel over the Atlantic Pond for some giggs, they sound great in 2010, and Cornell sings like noone else


Posted By: Deleuze
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 21:49
rofl, voted nirvana cause it's the only Grunge band I ever listened too...I doN,t think Grunge killed music though, it only responded to the demand Confused


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Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 21:57
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

AiC

Easy

QFT.


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Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 01:40
I'd have to say Soundgarden - their track "Just Like Suicide" is even somewhat epic in structure...

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 06:40
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

never heard of "prog" grunge.

The Melvins are rather experimental (I didn't say "prog") but besides coming from Seattle, they don't have anything in common with their friends in grunge bands.

(Metal Church are also from Seattle by the way).


Bah, this whole "grunge" thing was nothing but a forgery made by musical "journalists", some of them being easily fooled by Megan Jasper when it came to the subject of the "grunge lexicon". I hear more differences than common points between Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Mudhoney and Nirvana.

About the Melvins, I always had the feeling that they took a few years before turning somewhat experimental, no? After all, has anyone ever heard the demos of Cobain and Novoselic when they rehearsed under the moniker of "Fecal Matter"?

(BTW, Heart is also from Seattle, just like Hendrix, Queensr˙che, the SOnics and the extraordinary tech-thrash-metal band Forced Entry).



Posted By: lensag
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 08:29
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Grunge is the genre that killed music. No vote.
 
Jesus what the hell do you mean with that? What music was "killed" by grunge?
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: (De)progressive
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 08:18
Definitely Soundgarden (most proggy and with time sigs) and Alice In Chains. they have strong influence on so many bands that came after them.
Btw there was a cover of ''Would?'' from AIC on the Watershed album by Opeth, I guess Mikael is a huge fan of AIC, it was a nice cover. Smile
And Nirvana... mm, maybe I can relate them by Kurt Cobain being friend of Dylan Carlson, founder and frontman of Earth, experimental drone/doom metal.



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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 08:25
Alice in chains!

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 09:46

Originally posted by Weirdamigo Weirdamigo wrote:

This Thread was made to test a theory of mine ( and to win a bet with my friend ). I have noticed that a fair amount prog-lovers have a certain liking for one or two grunge bands.

Now some of the Grunge bands, which have been mentioned above, have been influenced mostly by Punk and Metal but also, to a lesser extent, by progressive rock, whether the bands know it or notTongue.

Even though some bands are just loud and obnoxious (Sorry Nirvana fans) Kurt Cobain listed "Red" by King Crimson as a major influence. 

Now to the theory of mine. I want to see which is the favorite Grunge band of my fellow prog enthusiasts.
If my theory is correct that certain band will get the most votes by far. 

Hope you guys like even though it's not really prog-relatedSmile. I will post that certain bands name when enough votes come in.

 
I actually like Nevermind from Nirvana... it's partly responsible (along with Pearl Jam's 10 and Neil Young's Ragged Glory) responsibkle for reigniting my interest in rock music (I'd totally outgrown it then in the very early 90's)
 
So grunge in general and some of the LA Scene (RHCP and RATM) were much to my liking.... but never in a million year would I ever consider grunge to be even remotely related to prog (we'd call it pronge then right???LOL)
 
 
 
Yes, Soundgarden and alice In Chain can be a tad bit more complex, but I'd prefer early PJ or Nirv any day of the week...


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 09:56
Kind of a tie between Mother Love Bone, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains. Screaming Trees can fit in there too, maybe.

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Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 10:12
Originally posted by ptkc123 ptkc123 wrote:

I used to be into Grunge, but I haven't listened to the genre in a few years... I would pick Pearl Jam, though.  Nirvana should never be picked for anything ever, except maybe the most overrated band of all time.

This.


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 10:29
I like a lot of bands listed here but have never contemplated which of them is the most "prog-like".


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 11:23
I like most of these bands. Their sound NOT being close to prog is what I go to them for. If I want some prog, I'l hear some prog. If I hear grunge, I want some grunge. 

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Posted By: Progmanmike
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 16:15
Originally posted by dedokras dedokras wrote:

Soundgarden is the proggiest/most psychedelic from the list, AIC - the heaviest, Nirvana - the greatest... PJ - a nice rocking band, never uderstood the "grunge" label though, probably it was invented for wannabies such as Stone Temple Pilots... and No, the so called grunge did not kill music, it saved it from the awful hair metal so it was one of the most progressive things to happen in the early 90s :)

Almost nothing musical comes from grunge.
Also hair metal has some of the best guitar solo's so don't hate.


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 17:06
Originally posted by Progmanmike Progmanmike wrote:


Almost nothing musical comes from grunge.



Almost nothing sane can be found in this post


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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 17:33

That'd be funny if he was a one-post wonder.



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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 17:44
this band is just pure epos and grandouse
 


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Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 22:37
I don´t care what Grunge band sounds more progressive (or not) and I really enjoy listening to this genre.

Voted for Alice in chains
- "Dirt"  has many great songs as "Them Bones", "Rooster", "Down in a hole", "Sickman" and "Angry Chair", the debut "Facelift" is great too
Pearl jam - "Ten" its a gem
Soungarden - "Badmotorfinger2 and "Superunknow" are really great

If you like both genres (grunge and progresive) I recommend the album "Common Daze" by the norwegian group Ravana, if you want more information read the review by Sean Trane


Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 23:45
When somebody has the nerve to turn on FM radio in my presence, I am always relieved to hear Soundgarden. 

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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 04:00
Nirvana for me, while I don't listen to them nearly as much as I used to, they've been one of the most important and impactful bands in my life.
 
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Grunge is the genre that killed music. No vote.
 
And you're the poster who killed any potential for credibility this website might have had.


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Posted By: Weirdamigo
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 05:58
Thread got revived I see. Im quite surprised by the number of grunge "enthusiasts" on this site.  Although i did expect more than a single vote for Temple of the dog.

Oh well, I guess Chris Cornell thinks he's better of playing RnB and Pop rather than grunge.


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 11:01
Originally posted by Weirdamigo Weirdamigo wrote:

Thread got revived I see. Im quite surprised by the number of grunge "enthusiasts" on this site.  Although i did expect more than a single vote for Temple of the dog.

Oh well, I guess Chris Cornell thinks he's better of playing RnB and Pop rather than grunge.
 
You know that Cornell and the gyus in SG have found their way back togerther Big smile
 
, so Soundgarden is out rolling, he have even a neck long hair and plays the EL-guitar like he have never done anything else Tongue
 


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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 12:34
Wow I didn't know this, smart move considering the current state of Cornell's solo career.

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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 12:51
I really like all of these bands, more or less (Have not yet heard Love Battery, though), but SOUNDGARDEN will always be my favorite! Approve


Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 13:04
And please, Stone Temple Pilots are not wannabees/posers/clones or whatever you wanna call them. They didn't even have anything to do with grunge. They are just a great rock band who happened to make it big at the same time that bands like Pearl Jam and Nirvana did. That does not make them Pearl Jam or Nirvana clones.
 
Listen to "Where the River Goes" from the "Core" album, and then tell me that they're no good! Wink
To me, that song is like the "Kashmir" or "Stargazer" of the 90's!


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 13:10
Mother Love Bone gets my vote, although Soundgarden's "Badmotorfinger" is an amazing record.  I think Mother Love Bone is more progressive, because their lyrics/music are just so escapist and whimsical compared to anything else going on in the late 80's/early 90's, and they seemed to stretch the boundaries of rock more than a lot of the grunge-rockers listed in the poll.  "Apple" remains one of the most enigmatic and wonderful albums I have ever heard.

Glad to see that grunge is getting some love on this site; some of my favorite albums are by 90's rock musicians.



Posted By: Weirdamigo
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 13:32
Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

And please, Stone Temple Pilots are not wannabees/posers/clones or whatever you wanna call them. They didn't even have anything to do with grunge. They are just a great rock band who happened to make it big at the same time that bands like Pearl Jam and Nirvana did. That does not make them Pearl Jam or Nirvana clones.
 
Listen to "Where the River Goes" from the "Core" album, and then tell me that they're no good! Wink
To me, that song is like the "Kashmir" or "Stargazer" of the 90's!

Stone Temple Pilots are a great band in my book Thumbs Up. Although you have to say "plush" is a grunge song, at least to my ears. "Core" as a whole is more grunge than all of their later albums. 


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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 15:06
I wouldn't call "plush" grunge. The only song on CORE that is kinda grunge to me is "Sex Type Thing".
And yes, mother love bone are amazing! Like a mix of early Pearl Jam, Jane's Addiction & Guns n Roses. Am i wrong?


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 22:14
Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

I wouldn't call "plush" grunge. The only song on CORE that is kinda grunge to me is "Sex Type Thing".
And yes, mother love bone are amazing! Like a mix of early Pearl Jam, Jane's Addiction & Guns n Roses. Am i wrong?


That's how I would sum up Mother Love Bone also.  They are a real hidden treasure.  


Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 23:08

This is shrangi-la....

Old fav of mine.


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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: February 27 2011 at 06:14
Such a damn shame that Andrew Wood died. They would've made it big time in a year or two!
"Stardog Champion" & "Bone China" are my favorites Approve


Posted By: DanthraX
Date Posted: March 04 2011 at 18:43
I'm so happy that I found this poll! My two favourites Rock sub-genre... Love all those bands, except for Nirvana...

For me, Pearl Jam, Alice and Soundgarden!


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Posted By: DaydreamNation
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 00:46
I dont know about being progressive, but when it came down to loud distorted guitars, dissonance, an aloof punkish attitude and cryptic lyrics, the pillars grunge was based on, the not mentioned sonic youth was the best of them (hint my screne name). I would say they were pretty progressive in an avant garde noise sort of way.


Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 13:31
I went with Soundgarden in this one.  They seem the proggiest of all the choices, then I'd say probably Chains.  Soundgarden started out with a punk/heavy metal sound, but with parts of Badmotorfinger all the way through to Down On The Upside, major prog elements started to trickle in.  Odd time signatures, longer songs, crazy "filler" instrumentals and some songs lacking any type of a typical song structure.  

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Posted By: davidk
Date Posted: April 08 2011 at 20:54
Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Grunge is the genre that killed music.
 
That's not in the options. Ermm
 
Grunge, for me, was a great revival of 70's hard rock with 80's metal influences. A great relief from weak metal genres like Power Metal and Glam Metal, and it's good to know that these were popular unlike other 90's stuff that was complete crap.
 
Though I know you just are an unshamed post-eighties-phobic.

I agree with you! I think so many people try to act like grunge killed music, but it was stupid people trying to copy grunge and turn it into pop like Seether, and Nickelback that came later, and tried to make soft music with sh*t lyrics to appeal to poplovers, and in their opinion rock lovers at the same time. That however is not Grunge's fault. I once heard some idiot post on an Iron Maiden video that they saw in an interview Lady Gaga stating Iron Maiden was her favorite band in the whole world, so are we to blame such a good band as Iron Maiden for her? Hell no! Grunge may have some punk influences, but to me it is very much progressive. The whole idea of grunge was to have odd time signatures, and Soundgarden took it even further with experimenting a lot. Chris Cornell is also quite the amazing vocalist!


Posted By: stevotwain123
Date Posted: April 20 2011 at 11:07
Have you guys heard of this band, www.shermanburns.bandcamp.com ? Definitely grunge oriented, but with obvious prog influences, they definitely don't have any reservations about showing it. I think the album is name your own price too.  Or at least it was...


Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: April 20 2011 at 11:34
love Soundgarden and Pearl Jam

STP and Nirvana are also pretty kool

Soundgarden would be the one that heads in the prog direction the most of the lot 

but they are a long ways from prog to me


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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: April 20 2011 at 12:10
Grunge is not a genre anyway.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 23:56
Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

Such a damn shame that Andrew Wood died. They would've made it big time in a year or two!
"Stardog Champion" & "Bone China" are my favorites Approve


I agree, his death was a huge loss to the Seattle music scene.  I was not even in kindergarten when those guys came out with "Apple," but that album resonates with me like few albums ever have.  It is definitely one of my desert-island records, and totally essential for any collection as far as I'm concerned.

I love all the songs they wrote, but my favorite would have to be "Stargazer."  Just beautiful.


Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 00:14
King's X, but from the list, Pearl Jam

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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: May 05 2011 at 14:31
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Black Hole Sun is prog, IMO. 

I don't think that Soundgarden are suitable for inclusion, but some of their songs are prog.
Only Cat Butt are pure grunge.

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Posted By: sfbrz2us
Date Posted: September 02 2011 at 10:22
Has everyone forgotten Screaming Trees? PJ if often proggy and the best.


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 02 2011 at 10:32
I´m gonna say Nirvana. Kurt was obviously a very imaginative soul, and I think he would have pushed the boundaries, especially when you count in the fact what Dave Grohl has developed into - you´d be facing something completely different, if they had overcome their drug issues and kept playing that is. 
Reason to this is perhaps the odd cello usage in Live unplugged, Kurt´s all over the place riffing - yet somehow still sounding in tune, In Utero album - and furthermore those two other guys were into art and whatnot as well. 
The other groups mentioned here dwell more in the rock field, and I basically think that Nirvana would have surprised us, if we´d only have had the chance to see them do so.


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Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: December 09 2015 at 22:43
Originally posted by Andy Webb Andy Webb wrote:

King's X, but from the list, Pearl Jam

Agreed about King's X, but I'd replace PJ with Soundgarden. I feel they may be suitable for inclusion to the site someday as "prog-related," if mainly because of Badmotorfinger and Superunknown.


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 10 2015 at 00:38
King's X are NOT grunge.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: December 10 2015 at 06:48
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

King's X are NOT grunge.
 
I agree......more like alternative prog metal....if that genre even exists.
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