Lawrence of Arabia vs Dr Zhivago
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Topic: Lawrence of Arabia vs Dr Zhivago
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: Lawrence of Arabia vs Dr Zhivago
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 20:17
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i have only seen LoA not Dr Zhivago ( but hopely I will do soe), but after what ive seen In Lawrence of Arabia i have great ecsp, to my view LoA is such a great movie, i was almoust hit to the ground by amazement by that film, such epic film with enormous score. great acting.
I saw that Casablanca thread and wanted to make a poll about two of the great epics (which two make Avatar crumble in fear and gasping for air)
which of thiese two DO you like
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 20:22
| I also didn't see Dr. Zhivago, but Lawrence of Arabia was great. I wanted to see it because I read Spielberg saying it's one of his fundamental sources of inspiration. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 20:27
| ^defenitly Spielberg have seen Lawrence hundrets of times (also Coppola, Scorcese and Lukas) and you can hear it in the movie scores as well and the "epic" feel, and the use of quietness. |
Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 20:32
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I've seen Dr Zhivago and it's slow, overrated, and boring. It's directed and acted well, but that can't save the dull script. But then again, I think the same with Lawrence of Arabia, so don't trust my opinion.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 20:44
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^i know what you mean, nd I know where you are from, i was afraid LoA was to slow to mee in pace, but ass I said I was hit to the ground by the combination of story, script, acting, dramatourlogy, landscape, music, overall exietment and that it was unexpected events (i also liked that it is based on "something" which make it easyer to make a Screenplay.
I most of the time anoys myself by liking films that could have been great if they have spend a tad more time on script/screenwright, i like films like Marval comics and epic movies, vampire frenchise movies (like Blade, Underworld and Blood: the Last Vampire, the new era, some have good scripts but mostly it feels rushed,
like X-men 3, number 1 and 2 was brilliant and then on numbr, 3 they killed of everything and made a big untasty soup out of which sequal could be great.
what I recognices about the 60s films is that they are focused on all parts of film production, 1, Direction, Theme, Plot, 2. Production, money, time 3, acting, 4 SCREENWRIGHT, 4. CLASS, 5. style and it was seen as an art form
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 20:50
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I voted "other" for three reasons: 1. Brief Encounter 2. Great Expectations 3. The Bridge on the River Kwai All of these individually would kill LoA and Dr Z combined in my opinion. -------------
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 21:37
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Lawrence of Arabia is simply one of the best delivered epics I've ever seen. I won't vote as I haven't seen Dr Zhivago yet.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 07:35
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I like them both a lot. It's not an easy choice.
Oh well, Lawrence Of Arabia, because of the wonderful shots. Film shots, not gun shots
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 09:24
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oh man... Doctor Zhivago. What a movie... ' Feelings, insights, affections... it's suddenly trivial now. You don't agree; you're wrong. The personal life is dead in Russia. History has killed it.' ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 12:41
Bravo. Hated Lawrence of Arabia. I don't really understand what the appeal is from a mere audience standpoint. I can certainly see why it has inspired filmmakers from a technical perspective, but it's not entertaining to me, and that's what I look for in movies. To be entertained.
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CinemaZebra wrote:Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 12:46
^ Well, film (like all arts) is not only about entertainment, and entertainment is not the only thing many film fans want to get. Which is fine, as long as we don't use the wrong criteria for the wrong movie. 
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 13:24
Well, of course, but should entertainment still be a part of it? I mean, if a film is beautifully shot or scored, yeah, that's impressive, if the story keeps the movie from being any fun to watch, what do those bells and whistles amount to? I want to enjoy the story first, then the additional stuff can be admired.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 13:31
Yes and no, depends on the film. In the case of Lawrence of Arabia entertainment is definitely a factor, though not the only one - like in the case of blockbusters or teen comedies (just two examples). I was definitely entertained by this film, despite its slow pace, and I think that the general acclaim it gets shows that I'm not the only one. So it probably is just a matter of de gustibus... |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 13:46
Not my point. At all. 2012 had amazing special effects (apparently, anyway. I didn't see it, and probably never will). But most people still hated it because the story was crap. If a movie is not entertaining in the least, then nothing can save it. That's what I'm saying. Entertainment doesn't have to be the only factor, but it should be a factor, nonetheless.
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 15:07
| Lawrence for sure. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 17:26
Yeap we are using the notion of "entertainment" in different ways. But leaving that, I am sure that the people who liked Lawrence of Arabia were entertained by it, in any sense of the notion. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 17:30
What? You either like something, or you don't. If I don't like something, then I don't consider it 'good'. I didn't like Lawrence of Arabia, so I don't consider it good. That's all I'm saying, haha. But many people do consider it good, so I'm in the minority.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 18:56
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ehhhh... they were movies from another era. Made for movie goers with attention spans longer than those of a mouse I suppose. That is a time long past.. today's audiences apparently don't want something that touches them.. or makes them think... it's about gratification. judging those movies on entertainment value is like judging VDGG on it's snappiness and ability to make you shake your ass. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 19:27
| ^ I can shake my ass on VdGG's "Tarzan". |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 19:35
*forgot I am on a prog site ..and have shaken my ass many a time to Close to the Edge" 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 06:43
How does that contradict anything I wrote in here? I don't think we're in any disagreement about that.
That's OK, but please don't come over a film (album, book etc) discussion and say "It is (=> objectively) not good because I (=> subjectively) thought it's not good", that's a logical contradiction. Otherwise you are free to express your lack of enthusiasm for this film, your lack of adherence to any cult regarding it, etc  |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 13:25
| I like Dr. Zhivago, but love Lawrence of Arabia. For me it is one of the great epic movies. Visually amazing, well written and acted brilliantly. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 22:29
Makes sense now. I guess I just wasn't understanding completely what you were trying to convey.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 11:09
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bump what whould Dr Zhivago and Collenel Lawrence talk about over a cup of coffee or tea -------------  
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 11:22
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Lawrence of Arabia > 98% of films ever made. ------------- 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 11:30
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i have later seen Dr Zhivago and I found it highly remarkable, strong cinematic experience, full of psychological intreaguing scenes and things that were thought provoking, in a large way. i bet they are the equals, of films they share the legacy of greates and has inspired not only films, but also music and literature, the films has, such in a very large way. -------------
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 15:49
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I saw Lawrence of Arabia on the cinema today....
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 17:58
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^You are a little wiser today then -------------
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:50
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i am, certainly i am, i crave for desserts
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 07:46
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bump -------------
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 15:12
| I love Lawrence because of the beautiful women. Oh, that was Zhivago. Never mind! |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 15:21
There, fixed that for you. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 15:24
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 15:30
Horse With No Name has perhaps one of the most ungainly phrases ever in lyrical history: "Cos' there ain't no one for to give you no pain". Ummm...huh? Back on subject, Lawrence of Arabia is better than Dr. Zhivago, although the cinematography in both is splendid. Lean's direction of two Dickens' classics, Great Expectations and Oliver Twist, are also superb. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 15:47
| ^Absolutely agree on LoA and Zhivago being widescreen wonders. I wanted to be a cinematographer when I was a young teen after seeing both these movies and the widescreen racing epic Grand Prix that was out about the same time, until I saw Hendrix in concert and it all went strange from there! And it's been a bit strange ever since. Fun but strange! I'm presently in Japan on business, (and dying of jet lag) so how strange is that! |
Posted By: Guy Guden
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 18:05
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I have a difficult time separating my appreciation for David Lean's films without thinking what a rather terrible person he was. Zhivago, which I enjoy for story, acting and craftsmanship, is hard to watch during the train sequence, where the woman is running along the open boxcar. She was caught under the wheels and hurt seriously. Lean kept the camera view shot in, much to the disgust of many cast and crew members, including Julie Christie. I enjoyed A Passage To India. I don't know who got hurt on that one.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 19:00
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^That's easy to answer. E.M. Forster got hurt by David Lean (he was also the screenwriter) changing the book's ending into a charming let's forget all about the injustices I just suffered through and be good friends from now on type of ending.A tragedy to mess with one of the world's great novelist's stories.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 22:15
According to an extensive review at this site... http://www.snopes.com/movies/films/zhivago.asp" rel="nofollow - http://www.snopes.com/movies/films/zhivago.asp ...your indignation is overwrought. The selfsame actress came back three weeks later to reshoot the scene. Apparently, David Lean being a monster makes for a better story than what actually happened.
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Posted By: Guy Guden
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 02:39
Thanks for the link. I will be able to enjoy the Russian Revolution again.
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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 04:36
Lawrence Of Arabia but I`ve enjoyed Dr. Zhivago... ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 23:14
Lawrence of Arabia was real. read the book Churchill's Bodyguard  
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 10:44
Perhaps a better book to read would be T.E. Lawrence's autobiography The Seven Pillars of Wisdom. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:05
That is a book I much rather want to get my hands on
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