Between Genesis and Yes prog albums
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Topic: Between Genesis and Yes prog albums
Posted By: Marcelo
Subject: Between Genesis and Yes prog albums
Date Posted: May 02 2004 at 19:14
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I saw a similar poll in another forum: Which is the best between these albums? Trespass - The Yes Album: Nursery Crime - Fragile: Foxtrot - Close To The Edge: Selling England By The Pound - Relayer: The Lamb... - Tales From Topographic...: A Trick Of The Tail - Yesterday: Wind And Wuthering - Going For The One: And Then There Were Three - Tormato: Duke - Drama:
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Posted By: Marcelo
Date Posted: May 02 2004 at 19:20
| I chose all Genesis albums except Tales From Topographic Oceans, Tormato and Drama. |
Posted By: Hibou
Date Posted: May 02 2004 at 20:45
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Hi Marcelo: This may surprise you but although I love prog, eat prog and dream prog overnight (like most people on this forum), I've never really taken to YES as much as other similar bands (GENESIS, CAMEL, etc). So my answer is simple: GENESIS all the way! I imagine you've seen that poll on the 'Genesis Talk Shop' - a fine forum indeed. Not as eclectic as Prog Archives but fun. Cheers Hibou ------------- [IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/Progueuse/Album.jpg"> Gene Police: You!! Out of the pool! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 02 2004 at 21:10
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Trespass - The Yes Album: TRESPASS Nursery Crime - Fragile: NURSETY CRYME Foxtrot - Close To The Edge: FOXTROT Selling England By The Pound - Relayer: SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND The Lamb... - Tales From Topographic...: THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY A Trick Of The Tail - Yesterday: A TRICK OF THE TAIL Wind And Wuthering - Going For The One: WIND & WUTHERING And Then There Were Three - Tormato: TORMATO Duke - Drama: DRAMA Almost everything from Genesis, except the 3 men era which IMHO sucks from start to end. Iván |
Posted By: Marcelo
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 00:38
Yes, Hibou, a big surprise! Try a little bit with Yes |
Hibou wrote:
... I saw the poll (similar, not the same) in a South American prog site, "Progresiva 70", where Yes was the winner. Posted By: Paco Fox
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 03:18
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A funny poll. These are my choices: Trespass - The Yes Album: THE YES ALBUM. I never really liked Trespass, maybe because of the bad production quality Nursery Crime - Fragile: FRAGILE Foxtrot - Close To The Edge: CLOSE TO THE EDGE. There's no doubt it may be the most important and talked about record of prog. Selling England By The Pound - Relayer: SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND. It's a very moving album, while I never got into Sound Chaser. The Lamb... - Tales From Topographic...: THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY. Both are overlong, but Tales is MUCH overlong A Trick Of The Tail - Yesterday: A TRICK OF THE TAIL. One of my favourite Genesis albums: I love its mood. Wind And Wuthering - Going For The One: AAARRRGG!!! THIS IS HARD... CAN'T DECIDE. And Then There Were Three - Tormato: NOT LISTENED TO THE GENESIS ONE Duke - Drama: DRAMA. Sometimes, my favourite Yes album |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 03:24
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Trespass - The Yes Album: YES ALBUM Nursery Crime - Fragile: FRAGILE Foxtrot - Close To The Edge: BOTH Selling England By The Pound - Relayer: SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND The Lamb... - Tales From Topographic...: THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY A Trick Of The Tail - Yesterday: A TRICK OF THE TAIL Wind And Wuthering - Going For The One: WIND & WUTHERING And Then There Were Three - Tormato: TORMATO Duke - Drama: DUKE ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 04:44
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Interesting question.My choices in bold:
Trespass - The Yes Album: Nursery Crime - Fragile: Foxtrot - Close To The Edge: Selling England By The Pound - Relayer: The Lamb... - Tales From Topographic...: A Trick Of The Tail - Yesterday: Wind And Wuthering - Going For The One: And Then There Were Three - Tormato: Duke - Drama:
You can't beat early Yes but then Genesis developed through the seventies while Yes became a bit of a 'self parody' in later years IMO.
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Posted By: Bjørn Are
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 05:00
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Hm, how to compare one kind of genius with another... Trespass - The Yes Album: The Yes Album (scores 9 against 6) Nursery Crime - Fragile: Fragile (scores 8 against 7) Foxtrot - Close To The Edge: Draw (scores 10 against 10) Selling England By The Pound - Relayer: Relayer (scores 10 against 9) The Lamb... - Tales From Topographic...: Tales From Topographic (scores 9 against 8) A Trick Of The Tail - Yesterday: A TRICK OF THE TAIL (scores 9 against 6) Wind And Wuthering - Going For The One: WIND & WUTHERING (scores 9 against 8) And Then There Were Three - Tormato: TORMATO (scores 7 against 6) Duke - Drama: DRAMA (scores 8 against 5) This means that to me Yes wins 6 against 2 and 1 draw. The overall rank makes this a bit more open: Close To The Edge - 10 Foxtrot - 10 Relayer - 10 A Trick Of The Tail - 9 Selling England By The Pound - 9 Tales From Topographic...- 9 Wind And Wuthering - 9 Drama - 8 Fragile - 8 Going For The One - 8 The Lamb... - 8 The Yes Album - 8 Nursery Crime - 7 Tormato - 7 Trespass - 6 Yesterday - 6 And Then There Were Three - 6 Duke - 5 Yes total: 74 (average 8.2) Genesis total: 68 (average (7.6) |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 05:07
| I demand a rematch! |
Posted By: Bjørn Are
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 06:15
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Ah, tricked by the tail when trying to go fo the one? Well, thas how it goes when you trespass on the tales of topical oceans. |
Posted By: Bjørn Are
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 06:18
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 14:16
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Trespass - The Yes Album: Very hard to chose, but The Yes album just! I love Trespass but the Yes album has so many classic Yes tracks. Nursery Crime - Fragile: Nursery Cryme. Both have 3 epic pieces, but Fragile is spoiled by the self indulgence of the solo spots. Foxtrot - Close To The Edge: Too close to split these two, if forced, Close to the edge this time, but so unfair having to chose between them! Selling England By The Pound - Relayer: Each has a spoiler - Battle of Epping Forest and Sound chaser. Selling England gets my vote for Firth of Fifth and Cinema Show, but Gates of Delerium is magnificent. The Lamb... - Tales From Topographic...: Easy one this one, Tales by a country mile. The Lamb was disappointign, but I'm one of the Tales is great brigade. A Trick Of The Tail - Yesterday: Got to be Trick of the Tail, Yesterdays wasn't even an original album. Wind And Wuthering - Going For The One: Tough one again, I love them both, Going for the one I think, for Awaken, but it could just as easily have been W&W for One for the Vine. And Then There Were Three - Tormato: And then there were three easily. Tormato was very disappointing. Duke - Drama: Drama. Duke has some great tracks (Los Endos) and a few duffers. Drama is a good Yes album, end to end. |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 15:08
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Trespass - The Yes Album: The Yes Album Nursery Crime - Fragile: Fragile Foxtrot - Close To The Edge: CTTE Selling England By The Pound - Relayer: Seling England The Lamb... - Tales From Topographic...: The Lamb A Trick Of The Tail - Yesterday: Trick Wind And Wuthering - Going For The One: Going for the One And Then There Were Three - Tormato: Three Duke - Drama: Drama If you match the best Yes has to offer, they beat out Genesis everytime. Genesis' best beats out Yes' weak stuff. Now compare players: (only the classic line-ups to save time) (Voice) Peter Gabriel - Jon Anderson (Close match - edge - Anderson) (Bass) Mike Rutherford - Chris Squire (Duh - Squire) (Guitars) Steve Hackett - Steve Howe (EVEN - Just don't let 'em record together) (Drums) Phil Collins - Bill Bruford (silly proghole - drums are for Bill) (Keys) Tony Banks - Rick Wakeman (Wakeman) http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001">  http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb041"> |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 17:39
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I hate to be a party pooper, but... Aren't these types of polls a little like the old "apples and oranges" axiom? For example, what does the word "best" mean here? I'm not trying to be contrary, but you might as well ask me if I like Mozart better than Beethoven. Both wrote "classical" music, both were geniuses, both influenced others. But ultimately they wrote different - but equally good - music. Peace. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 17:43
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Comptrs: Cnt liv wth em, cnt lve wthut em! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Ha! Good one, but no thanks!Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 17:46
Hear hear! Words of wisdom! (Both bands are great! define "best," please!) "Listen to the old one speak, of all he has lived through." ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 17:52
(I agree with your choice, though.) ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Er, you must be thinking of another track, Easy ol' chum. "Los Endos" is on A Trick of the Tale, not Duke.
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 19:04
Duh!!! maani and Peter, It's all very simple. If I say it is (best), it is.... easy. http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001">
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 20:02
 ^------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 20:12
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You would lead us further down a dark path, my friends. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Let's assign numerical values to everything, line it all up, and eliminate that which doesn't measure up! Let the chips fall where they may, proclaim I!
After all, music is really just math at its root, isn't it? We simply have to arrive at the proper formula with which to rate it....
Wait! The accountants at the record companies and radio stations have already done that!
Posted By: Marcelo
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 21:15
Well, like I said in another poll, I use to put the words "worst" or "best" just like a guide. I think that a poll, doesn't matter the thread, is just another way to get fun and to know what people (prog people in this case) thinks about some topics. "Between Genesis or Yes" is one more poll. Of course, both bands were great, but all human beings have our own preferences, about Ford & Chevrolet, Bach & Vivaldi or apples & oranges
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 22:06
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I'll follow your game Danbo Now compare players: (only the classic line-ups to save time) (Voice) Peter Gabriel - Jon Anderson (Gabriel by a mile) (Bass) Mike Rutherford - Chris Squire (Duh - Squire, AGREE) (Guitars) Steve Hackett - Steve Howe (EVEN - Just don't let 'em record together AGREE) (Drums) Phil Collins - Bill Bruford (silly proghole - drums are for Bill) But, Collins VS White?: COLLINS !!!!!!! (White played more years and albums than Bruford) (Keys) Tony Banks - Rick Wakeman (Wakeman for a solo but Banks for a band) Iván |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 22:33
 I like your thinking, Ivan! (Red for anyone named Ivan, naturally! )
Your tastes coincide with mine ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
-- but it's just a exercise in amusement, of course....
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 22:42
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LMAO Not the first time somedy says something like this, they asked me if I'm from Bulgaria or Russia for example, I'm from Perú and my mom is an an admirer of late 1800's Russian Music and Art, so she named me Iván. No relation with USSR LOL
Well, great minds have similar tastes, I'm also modest as you see Iván |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 03 2004 at 23:34
I wonder which is the case with us? Ole! (sorry, don't know much Espanol!) Peter
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: May 04 2004 at 10:54
I liked your picks as well. Collins over White, AGREED. PC's Brand X work is stunning. Wouldn't you like to hear Peter Gabriel and Jon Anderson together. Just one tune. I also understand the Banks/Wakeman choice. Banks played great atmospherics, Wakeman always seemed to be bidding time until his next chance to rip it up. Great musicians all.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 04 2004 at 11:53
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Well, Collins is a great drummer, sometimes underrated because of his cheasy work in the 3 men Gensis, but stunning as a drummer. He has a jazzy edge very pleasent to listen. Would be nice to listen Gabriel and Anderson together because both cover al the ranges from low to high vocals, but my dream has always listen something with Gabriel and Annie Hasslam together. Iván |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 04 2004 at 12:04
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Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: May 04 2004 at 12:12
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Quite correct Sir Rideout. But no matter how hard one tries, II + V + IV can never add up to 11 in music. |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: May 04 2004 at 12:13
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: May 04 2004 at 15:09
Another "Thick as a brick" moment for me Peter, they're getting more frequent these days! The track I meant was Duke's Travels/Dukes End, I do like the way the "Guide vocal" is revived in that track.
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Posted By: moonchild
Date Posted: May 15 2004 at 20:22
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Trespass - The Yes Album: THE YES ALBUM Nursery Crime - Fragile: NURSERY CRYME Foxtrot - Close To The Edge: FOXTROT Selling England By The Pound - Relayer: SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND The Lamb... - Tales From Topographic...: TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC... A Trick Of The Tail - Yesterday: A TRICK OF THE TAIL Wind And Wuthering - Going For The One: WIND & WUTHERING And Then There Were Three - Tormato: AND THEN THERE WERE THREE Duke - Drama: DRAMA
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