Led Zeppelin & Prog???
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Topic: Led Zeppelin & Prog???
Posted By: SirPsycho388
Subject: Led Zeppelin & Prog???
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 17:09
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I've been listening to a lot of Led Zeppelin lately and was astounded at the complexity of their music. There are too many elements for me to point out that i would consider prog. Their best work was from 1969 (early prog period) to 1976 (peak of prog). Although they have many songs that are considered hard rock with the various folk influences, I would say there are many songs that contain elements of prog that were apparent in "prog groups" at the time. So what do you think? Could they be considered progressive? ------------- Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can |
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 17:13
| Achilles Last Stand is more progressive than most so called 'prog metal'.Kashmir is a no brainer as well.The great Heavy Rock triumvirat Led Zep, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath all harboured prog influences without doubt BUT none could truly be called 'Progressive Rock' IMO. |
Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 17:16
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I agree. |
richardh wrote:Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 17:22
| On a whole LZ are NOT prog, though they have many tunes, which individually could be considered prog. I'd say the same about Queen. Songs from either of those bands regularly appear on my prog compilation CDs. Over all, I'd say much of Houses of the Holy was clearly prog. My fav LZ release. |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 17:28
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Agreed about Zep and Queen. I was shocked the first time I heard The Crunge and I realized thy were playing in alternating 4 and 5 beats per measure. But, of course, if Led Zeppelin were in the Archives, then we'd have to let in basically every other band in existence. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 17:29
Excellently put, Rich... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 18:35
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NO, Led Zeppelin is not prog. They are one of my favorite bands of all time but they are not prog. At least not by overall classification. Yes, the did have songs that flirted with prog, sometimes heavily flirted with prog (Kashmir, The Crunge, The Rain Song, No Quarter, etc) but largely they were a rock n' roll group based in a blues structure. Along with bands like Deep Purple, Queen, REO Speedwagon, Journey and The Who, IMO Led Zeppelin isn't a prog group and shouldn't be listed on this site though they all had a few songs that fit into the genre. Great band nonetheless! |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 19:00
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Carouselambra <---------Very proggy. Great song, awesome Plant vocal moments, awesome Page rhythm and arpeggio guitar. One of Zep's best. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 19:03
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IMO, Led Zeppelin was a bluse-oriented hard-rock band with progressive attitude and influenses. |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 19:28
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Prog-influnces are quite obvious, espcially in their later works, but not enough to be considered prog. But they're still one of the most awesome bands of all time. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 19:53
Yepp they deserved all the praise they got theye where truly great, the beatles of the 70s,and they hade some prog qualitis yes they hade, but seriusly theye newer did a 20 min song so, no theye are not prog   ------------- 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 20:12
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I agree,but no matter what I listen to or what I like,Led Zeppelin will always be my all-time favorite band. -------------  |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 22:30
Looks like we're all agreed with Richard H on that ... offhand you could count Rain Song and No Quarter and In The Light among their "prog epics" too, but like Purple and Sabbath and other favourites like Wishbone Ash and Rainbow, I wouldn't classify them as a prog-rock group either ... Funny thing is I'd also include Uriah Heep in that list ... Despite Salisbury and July Morning type songs, I still think of them as belonging in the hard rock category ... I've also always thought of Queen as the most progressive of this batch of creative hard-rockin 70s bands, but I can see why they haven't been included ... Another interesting point for me is that I listened to Jethro Tull for about 10 years before I first heard the Thick As A Brick and A Passion Play albums ... and prior to that I lumped them with Zep, Purple, Heep, and Sabbath ...
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Posted By: frippertronik
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 22:38
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the lyrics are so stupids, some songs like me, but zep is one more group for me ------------- a plague of lighthouse keepers |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 23:00
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"Dazed and Confused" from The Song Remains the same is almost 30 minutes long, and is a rock masterpiece. "No Quarter" from the same album is also a lengthy live psychedic masterpiece. "Achilles Last Stand" is a of epic length and theme. There's other examples as well, "Caraselaramba" "Kashmir" "Battle of Evermore" and so on. I agree that Led Zep doesn't qualify as a full blown prog band like Gentle Giant or King Crimson, but many of Zep's tunes qualify as prog rock, imo. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 23:56
yea the songs are long but they are drawn out blues jams, not prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 03:26
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I agree that Uriah Heep is on the edge of prog and rock but I still think they deserve to be classified as prog. They are kind of like the Dream Theater of their day. Poor Uriah Heep...they get no love. Yes, before Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull were not too proggish. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 06:54
Hey Dazo, you're back! Led Zep is not Prog! Just a great band who expanded thier horizons a bit and brought in different influences to their music. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 11:13
Yes, great band. But I disagree with your point. To dismiss all those songs I mentioned as "drawn out blues jams" is to wildly mischaracterize them. "No Quarter" extended blues jam? "Caroselaramba" extended blues jam? Rather, they are compositions of much more complexity than your 12-bar blues jam. George Thoroughgood and ZZ Top play extended blues jams. I don't lump Led Zeppelin's work in with those type of bands---even when they do play the blues, it's not an extended blues jam! ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 12:18
Don't misunderstand me on Heep, dalt99 ... it's my favourite band ever, and I've had the opportunity to exchange words with both Ken Hensley (my all-time musical hero) and Mick Box. I love Heep's Byron-era albums and think there are strong moments in the Lawton-era line-up ... I also have 80s and 80s albums although some of them are bad ... You're right that a lot of people don't get Heep though ... I remember when my band was interviewed on a large national radio station and I said heep was my favourite band (following up my bassist's Pink Floyd, guitarist's Yes and drummer's Rush) it got a huge round of laughter ... but I'll stand by this band ... I don't actually think they are the best technical band by the way, nor that they make the best prog (I think a very small percentage of Heep's catalogue qualifies as prog) ... but they made great creative hard rock that spoke to me at the most emotional time of my life ... ie when I was 16 ... ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 19:58
Very cool that they are your favorite band. |
Posted By: MustShaveBeard
Date Posted: June 04 2005 at 21:31
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The Crunge... Talk about a bad song. "I wanna tell you bout a good friend; I ain't disclosin' no names but, He sure is a good friend" I just can't get past that line... ------------- Your life or your lupins!!! |
Posted By: Laurent
Date Posted: June 14 2005 at 16:33
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The Song Remains The Same
If these songs had been written by Yes. Nobody would argue that they are Prog songs. ------------- 
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 15 2005 at 06:48
yeah the crunge is one of the worst zep tunes ever, it shows that no one is perfect and every band makes bad songs. -------------
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 15 2005 at 07:01
I ment that they never did a 20 min song on a studio album the longest are 10 min. and when they did Dazed and confuse live for 25 min it was most of the time only a drawn out and boring blues jam with no realy point yust 15 min of guitar w**king, and no prog at all. I realy dont like thier live albums to be honest i go for the studio records. ( and dont forget moby dick live, ohh... the horror! ) -------------
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: June 15 2005 at 12:07
Well, I must disagree with you again. "Dazed and Confused" live is a series of differently-styled pieces that are ingeniously strung together and, to this listener, it is a compelling experience from beginning to end. It is definitely not pointless, but a psychedelic rock epic. Actually, for me Zep live is an entirely different experience than the studio (which is another reason why Page et al. are extraordinary). As for Moby Dick live, I don't like to listen to it that often, but when I do, I really concentrate on what Bonham is doing and find that he is improvising in a really funky way. I like it. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:31
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Didn't I told you lot that Led Zeppelin is not a prog band?
Love LZ, though "The Cringe" isn't very good, but Battle Of Nevermore, will never be surpassed ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 21:42
That's improvised mate. Give the poor guy a break. Best Zeppelin Lyrics are for All of My Love. ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: Laurent
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 21:53
That's Battle Of Evermore
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 23:00
| i agreed. |