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Topic: Your thoughts on Haken
Posted By: pots555
Subject: Your thoughts on Haken
Date Posted: July 07 2010 at 07:42
While surfing on this site, I happened to stumble upon a great looking album cover:
 
 
I then went on youtube to listen to a few samples and I decidec to buy the album right there and then.  I am super excited about their sound and guitar player.  So, if you have the album or know them a little, could you tell me what you think about them?  Thanks!Smile



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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 07 2010 at 16:59

Melody & complexity ? I'm always interested.

Actually great album where I wasn't ashamed to give highest rating. Certainly one of the better albums this year.



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Posted By: sydbarrett2010
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 06:38
the greatest release of 2010 


Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 06:42

If you like prog's traditional tropes, this is a great album. If you actually want something new, the cheesiness and cliche may irritate you. Having said that though, it's the good kind of cheesiness at least.



Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 06:49
^ you read my mind Text, that's what I would say too. 


Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 08:27
Sometimes, I want something very original and new, but I don't think I want to be that demanding. Prog in itself is music that demands a lot, so very listening of Haken is more than for example Pop-only fans can only dream about.

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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"

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Even my


Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:54

Prog doesn't have to be "progressive" at all. Take for example all these Yes/Genesis clones (I don't believe that they are clones, but many do, so I'm just warning that it's not my opinion), many people use this naming for them. They are on Progressive Rock site, but they aren't progressing at all, but yet, they are Prog Rock. 

Meaning got lost, innovation is no more, but it's Prog anyway.



Yeah :-) I differ terms Prog and Progressive.



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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"

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Even my


Posted By: pulsefloyd
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 16:16
Check out HAKEN'S official website THE POINT OF NO RETURN and their newly opened forum.
You'll find all the lyrics on the website.
 
http://www.hakenmusic.com/" rel="nofollow - www.hakenmusic.com        http://hakenmusic.forumactif.com/" rel="nofollow - http://hakenmusic.forumactif.com/  


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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 17:06
I would state this as the best release form a new artist 2010
 
 
read the reviews!
 
actually heres mine
 
 
5 stars!!!!
 
 
Haken presents a turbo-charged debut of metal pandemonium and jazz infested chaos; THIS is what makes Prog great!

Haken's debut is a knockout metal virtuoso rock jazzfest. The best debut I have heard in a long time. In fact it is not easy to break this album into songs as the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. After listening to this, one may be forgiven for thinking the band are sending up the prog genre, such is the ferocity of eclectic jazz styles, however this is no doubt one of the most innovative slices of creativity I have had the pleasure to experience; heavenly headphone bliss.

The first track encompasses everything great about prog. Jazz infused insanity, with carnivalesque whimsy and all out instrumental prowess. Haken are among the fast growing prog soaked movers and shakers of today, alongside colossal titans Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Porcupine Tree and Opeth.

The band capture a broad coverage of the genre, melancholia, psych prog, permeated with heavy metal chords and frenetic jazz blasts. Then there are the mellotron washes flowing lucidly over the soundscape, enhancing the ambience. It doesn't last long as around the corner is a maelstrom of chugging riffs or jazzy drumming to send everything off balance. It certainly isn't background music.

The band launch into frenzied machine gun riffing on guitars and at one point there are some brilliant razor edge lead breaks on the album that fly off the scale, with speed picking, high string bends and screams all played with precision and finesse.

The death metal Opeth growls are surprisingly out of place, like a fish out of water, but they present a level of dark intensity. They appear on two occasions only on the album and on both really darken the atmosphere. Overall, however there is a humorous light weight edge with light hearted flings where many different instruments are added to the syndrome, such as a banjo, accordion, xylophone and perhaps even a kazoo.

It is a fun romp getting through the album. Everything bar the kitchen sink is thrown in to the mix. I like the fact the band don't hold back in their energy and creativity and take massive risks. Not everything comes off but it doesn't matter as this is so enjoyable. You are never sure what is going to happen next. At the end of the first listen I could not recall a single melody and this is true prog in the "Tales Of Topographic Oceans" vein. You know you have heard a prog album when afterwards not one melody springs to mind. However, on the second listen a lot of pieces come flooding back. I was waiting for the death metal growls and they really infiltrate the soundscape, like another song wanting to burst through the music. Surprisingly, although the band are not focussed on death metal, they certainly are able to measure up to the likes of stalwarts such as Opeth.

At times though it may appear the band are sending up the genre, injecting so many styles into one album, but that's like Mohavishnu Orchestra meets Dream Theater with a smattering of Opeth and Spock's Beard for me, and I can't complain. The weird bass lines are totally off the scale at times even sounding like a different time sig to the guitars. The drums are chaotic in places and downright fracturing the rhythms and I love that the song is driven in different directions by off beat sporadic drumming. I was reminded of Pain of Salvation's 'Fandango' drumming style at one point. The time sigs are interchanging constantly and just when you latch onto one sig, another breaks through without remorse. It is quite amusing listening to how the time sigs shatter into one another in a tongue in cheek fashion. The bursts of xylophone are particularly funny and the accordion actually made me laugh, like a bizarre theme park ride with that jaunty rhythm you hear on a merry go round; perhaps that was the band's intention, to create a side show of prog. The music is allowed to breathe though in the ballad sections with straight rhythm patterns and a nice vocal style, so it's all not all jazz disorder.

The Neal Morse-ian reflective vocal performances are well ordered and bring the intensity down. Indeed the voice has a nice range from high octave to straight balladic. There are moments that are curiously light hearted and sound more like an amusement park side show alley than a rock song. These moments are strange and the bizarre riffs with off kilter drumming show the band are into high voltage jazz fusion styles. You might think of King Crimson in these sections or even Triumvirat, though the Hammond sounds are used at a minimum.

Favourite tracks? Well, without looking at the tracklist, I loved the first 2 songs and the last epic in particular but I really don't want to split this into sections as it's so enjoyable from start to end. And the quieter ballad songs in the middle are great to break up the pandemonium, and I quickly got used to the vocal style of Jennings.

A word about the booklet; wonderful art work throughout, and very nice colours that are consistent and thematic of the mermaid carried by the shrouded figure. It works as an iconic image for the band and of course has adorned magazines and forums to herald the entrance of Haken onto the scene. I only want to say that this is the start of something very special. It could have been a masterpiece from a band who had been producing albums for years, and rightly sounds like it too, however this is a debut! It buries a lot of new albums from bands that have become tired and devoid of creative energy. Here, Haken have created a compelling dynamic listen; a stunning debut that should be given credit where it is due. If I were to be involved in a debut, this is the type of album I would dream of. Make no mistake, this album is packed with some of the most awesome innovative prog on the planet.



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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 17:47
Great band; the problem is that they sound TOO MUCH like Dream Theater. Neo-prog metal? Yeah.

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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 17:56
I've only listened to this album once. I enjoyed it, but I need to re-listen before I can give my final opinion.

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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: January 02 2011 at 02:56
An album that took me several listenings to like it, certainly one of the best of 2010.


Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 02 2011 at 05:03
It's certainly a good album, but not, IMHO, anywhere near a masterpiece as I understand the term.

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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 10:59
Wow, so many good things for me to discover! I've just listened to some songs of this album on tube. Like it! Thumbs Up


Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 11:09
Didn't  know anything about Haken before I discovered it here.

Only know Aquarius and that's an excellent album. One of the best in 2010.


Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: January 05 2011 at 04:08
Trust me, this is one album worth getting from last year!

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Posted By: Moneypulated
Date Posted: March 14 2011 at 20:35

I agree, this english band sounds really interesting...What I like most of their debut album?...

The stylistic extravaganza of the instrumental parts of their music and the original Vocal stile of their singer

What I dislike? ...Well, first I have to say I am not a big fan of growl singing style in general,  but in this case It sound to me as if it is out of place....I am sure their music should be sound better without it!







Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 14 2011 at 21:11
I bought this album a couple of months ago and I've listened to the whole thing a few times.  Good stuff on here for the most part.  The high end vocals honestly sound like the dude from Shinedown (terrible band, which makes this somewhat unfortunate), but the music is awesome.  I also like the keyboard effects used throughout the whole album.  Kind of reminds me of some SNES-style Final Fantasy music or something.  I can't say it's my favorite debut album of 2010, though (for me, that's reserved for Sky Architect's EoTM).  Definitely worth checking out, as I feel this band has a bright future!

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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: March 15 2011 at 11:05
After about 10 listens to this abum over the last year it doesn't work for me. I hear the band trying to cover ever sub-genre of prog and with doing so it becomes a very inconsistent album IMO. Disconnected me on number of different levels. No question, from what I hear the members are talented on thier instruments. Hopefully the band will riegn it in for the next release.



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