Where is Judas Priest?
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Topic: Where is Judas Priest?
Posted By: Ramma
Subject: Where is Judas Priest?
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 06:55
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Having lead and influenced the metal scene well before Iron Maiden left diapers and only shortly after Black Sabbath, JP's influence over every metal (prog and otherwise) band out there cannot be denied. I would go so far as to say the Priest sound and style spawned the later speed / power metal sound as acknowledged by the great Slayer and others. With dead defying vocal acrobatics and the still famous two pronged guitar attack / dual lead of Tippon and Downing Priest have provided many fine and well... great attempts, at prog several times throughout their career. Quoted constantly throughout prog-archives it's time they got their golden star. To name a few prog moments: - The entire Rockarolla album (one of the most underrated albums in history in my view) - Much of the magnificent Sadwings album (better watch out for the rip-peeeeerrrrr) - Turbo Lover - Their most recent album Nostradamus Lend your support and let's get a vote so large that the priest can not longer be ignored !
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Posted By: ppl
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 07:14
| Are you serious???no way!!They are metal.. |
Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 09:08
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I agree that his first 3 albums are prog related at leat. -------------  |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 09:53
| Very interesting question! The Nostradamus-album is indeed progressive! Some of their older material has progressive moments and they are one of the main inventors of the riff based metal. I would however call most of their material heavy metal. After additions of Iron Maiden, Metallica, Led Zeppelin, Budgie and many others it is perhaps time to add this classic metal group as well. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 10:01
For me they're in that category of artists which I have no interest in exploring and being there means I have no comment. 
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 10:04
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ppl wrote:Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 10:21
| No way man. I love Judas Priest, but if we continue adding bands to the site just because they made one or two prog related album, the next thing will be NOFX added because of The Decline or Sonic Youth because of The Diamond Sea. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 10:35
Wait, when did that happen???  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 10:38
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It was during the dark of night near the witching hour when the metal bands all clandestinely arrived. ------------- 
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 11:02
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Rocka Rolla is quite diverse, maue not too progg, but still quite forwardthinking. The albums after that one up to Stained Class are quite technical in places (at least for those times). For that, I think they would fit in well with prog-related. ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 12:14
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Well yeah, they rock, but so does Motorhead, Kiss, and Bue Cheer. Rockin' does not make proggin.' No way. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: VonSchlemmer
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 12:21
| The only album that really appealed to me was 'Sad Wings of Destiny' particularly 'Victims of Change' with that cracking riff. |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 18:13
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Let me emphasize Rocka Rolla is one of pioneers in Stoner Rock Scene. Agreed that they should be fit for Prog-Related. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 18:13
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Posted By: EatThatPhonebook
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 18:15
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I don't think they should be in here, even though the first two albums some prog related moments. ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 18:41
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 06:15
| I think this is another example of people thinking this site is for bands who are good/important. |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 06:29
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As a reminder, if you're interested in reviewing Judas Priest albums, you're very welcome to do it in MetalMusicArchives: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/judas-priest.aspx - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/judas-priest.aspx ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 07:00
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Yes, Judas Priest on Metal Music Archives, not Prog Archives (by the way, I'm typing this message while wearing a Bolt Thrower t-shirt. Just to make clear I'm far, far, very far from being anti-metal). |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 07:01
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Interesting question.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 07:02
Not prog at all. Nothing would convince me. But yeah great metal and review all their albums on Metal music archives site!  ------------- 
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 07:15
Judas Priest are not like Led Zep or Metallica or Iron Maiden
a case in point
Listen to these Iron Maiden songs
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Alexander the Great
The Prophet
The Clairvoyant
Brave New World
dang it - the whole album 'Brave New World' is prog!
Why? time sigs, long songs, concept albums, virtuoso music - no Judas Priest has none of this and cant be prog. IM definitely are. -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 07:20
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To that I would counter listen to Rocka Rolla, Sad Wings of Destiny, Painkiller, and Nostradamas. And if Loch Ness from Angel of Retribution isn't a progressive rock song, than I definitely am wasting too much time on the wrong site. For what it is worth, I have accepted that the admin team is not going to allow JP into PA and even though I respectfully disagree with their decision, I can live with it. -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 09:03
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Holy Mackerel! -------------
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 09:31
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Priest definately have a lot of proggy moments, and I agree that "Sad Wings..." and to some extent "Rocka Rolla" are progressive albums. Personally, I would have no problem with them being considered prog-related. However, I doubt that they will ever be included here, and, if they were, a lot of purist progheads would certainly die from heart attacks and those who wouldn't would gather in a torch bearing lunch mob and march angrily through the village. Priest are included in metalmusicarchives.com and progfreak.com, so there are plenty of opportunities for your to rate and review their music. ------------- This user has left the PA fora, but will occasionally post reviews so as to support artists. |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 11:19
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As much as I'm thinking "no" you can't argue the basis on single songs when we clearly add bands for albums. They have some long, proggy songs. Winter Cathedral Spires Victim Of Changes ect but they don't have a single album that is purely prog. Even Nostradamus is a purely metal concept album that happens to have keyboards. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 11:33
Funny but even though I voted "Yes" in the poll that song doesn't strike me as progressive, like their early 70s output. But I hope you don't take the "wrong site" thing seriously because of my post |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 12:16
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Is it just that they have too much heavy metal in them to be considered for this site? I agree there is a lot of heavy metal here already.
Its a question.....I really don't care if they are here or not...I enjoy JP very much. I personally do not consider them prog at all.
I mean even if they were influenced by any prog artists, I don't think it ever came out in any albums with substance or so much that they went down the road of adding keyboards and longer epic songs with "prog" stories..........I think they stuck to 100% heavy metal rock and roll scheme.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 12:42
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The answer to the question : They are in Metal Music Archives
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 12:50
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^ Grassyass.........sounds like a good answer to me. -------------
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 22:43
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Glad someone beat me to suggesting them!!!
AT THE VERY LEAST, prog-related... 'Nostradamus' has a hell of a lot of progressive things going on.
Wikipedia even admits that there are progressive elements in the earlier albums as well.
If anything, they have been highly influential to a generation of progressive metal bands. In a sense, they fit the same role in Prog as Iron Maiden does...
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 22:50
I'd say yes. They are at least prog-related. But I'm not very keen on what makes a band prog-related  ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 00:28
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Well, it depends on your definition of Prog. Judas Priest had no insanely complex time signatures. They never had didgeridoo solos, nor did they have side-long epics. They weren't terribly diverse, and they didn't stuff their music with annoyingly pretentious epic tales about pointless battles or war stories like...ahem... a certain metal band named after a particular torture device. So, in that sense, they aren't prog rock. But, who gives a f**k? I don't. They, however, are much more than your generic metal band. Anyone who calls Sad Wings Of Destiny a pure metal album...just hasn't listened to the thing. Victim of Changes is blues rock, The Ripper is metal, Dreamer Deceiver is psychedelic space rock, Deceiver is hard rock, Epitaph is a friggin' piano ballad... They were highly influential to the same bands Iron Maiden were, only less power metal, more speed metal. So, I can see them being prog related, based on their first four albums. I definitely see them being prog related for those. Still, I don't give a good god damn if they're here or not. Prog doesn't always equal good, and non-prog doesn't always equal shallow and commercial. Sometimes prog equals blatantly cheesy, self indulging, arrogant noodle garbage, so that sort of prog can suck my a****le, hard. But, I like me some JP. |
Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 01:19
| Put simply; if NIghtwish or the Gathering can be considered prog metal, it should be a no brainer for these metal innovators. XD |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 01:43
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You won't find a bigger Priest fan around here*, but no, I don't think they belong in Prog Archives (then again, neither does Maiden....)
*Probably not true
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 07:42
Ok, the last 36 years of my life must be a lie. Which bit of that song is Prog Rock? Sounds like a proto-metal song to me. |