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Topic: Floyd reunion looks unlikely
Posted By: chopper
Subject: Floyd reunion looks unlikely
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 10:34
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10170000.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10170000.stm
"Pink Floyd's Roger Waters has said he "won't be unhappy" if the band's performance at Live 8 in 2005 proved to be their last. " |
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 10:42
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Hey Alan,
With Wright and Barrett gone, it wasn't too likely, anyway!!
I don't think Mason has touched his drums since that gig.
Corrected  ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Progfan1958
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 11:29
------------- Progfan1958 "Peace to you all" "La paix est avec vous" "Pax vobiscum" "Al salaam a'alaykum" "Vrede zij met u allen" "Shalom aleichem" |
Sean Trane wrote:Posted By: Staker
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 13:51
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It's never gonna happen.
------------- I > You. |
Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 13:54
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:( Sadens me greatly Roger is such a deuche now he is a good musician
but he shouldnt be a ahole ------------- "There are people who say we [Pink Floyd] should make room for younger bands. That's not the way it works. They can make their own room."- David Gilmour |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 13:55
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It's never going to happen, not in a million years. None of them need the money (Gilmour gave away millions a little while ago after selling some mansion), they will never record anything new, and Waters & gilmour have only recently learned how to merely tolerate each others company again. Live 8 was great - let's all leave it at that and remember a great band in their heyday. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 15:30
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 15:31
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 15:31
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 15:32
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Posted By: Anguiad
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 16:29
Well, now it's clear it's the truth alright  ------------- "Tis your birth and faith that wrong you...not I." |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 22:44
Even though I usually sympathise more with Gilmour's side of the Pink Floyd break-up argument, it must be made clear that right now the one who's holding Pink Floyd back from performing again is Gilmour. He's the one who's too lazy, doesn't feel the need to perform again, and doesn't want to perform with Roger. Roger has stated many times he would like to perform with David again (he even tried to get him for the Wall concerts, at least some of them). I think Gilmour almost declined to perform at Live 8. |
Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 04:19
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r.i.p. richard wright. there's your missing link. and just in case this is becoming a “who could possibly take rick wright's place“ thread (hey! not so uninteresting.), may i throw richard barbieri into the equation? ------------- progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false? |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 21:36
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Why? Because half the band is dead? ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Drifter
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 22:11
| I don't remember his exact quote but Waters claimed he asked Gilmour to join him for his up-upcoming The Wall tour but David wasn't interested. Yeah okay, Roger, you expect Gilmour to be essentially a hired hand, touring on behalf of an album that really wasn't his baby to begin with? |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 22:17
Floyd is dead in a physical sense, musically they reign supreme for centuries ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 22:42
In an interview Waters was asked about having the band together for playing in the Yankee Stadium, and Roger said: "I don't think David (Gilmour) wants to do anything again, and certainly not this". So I guess Roger himself is very aware of this. |
Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 06:55
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Who cares? You can see Roger Waters and it is exactly like a Pink Floyd concert. I know. I've been to both - several times. The bigger question burning in my mind is: will the Jethro Tull of 1972-1975 get together for a tour? Those lads smoked with progressiveness! PS - RIP Rick Wright. You are dearly missed!
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 11:24
Jon Carin performed with Rick hundreds of times played in his shadow enough too become the perfect clone and has a great voice, if theres one obvious man whos earned that place its jon carin, obviously it'd be more exciting too have another famous keyboardist take the place but i think that just wouldnt work out -------------  
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Posted By: Dorsalia
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 16:51
Last time I checked, David Gilmour was still in possession of a free will. It's like blaming Peter Gabriel for not getting Genesis together. Some musicians are wise enough to move on sometimes. ------------- "Es ist übrigens unmöglich, eine Meinung zu haben, ohne dass es unerfreuliche Überschneidungen gibt. Die Grünen sind für den deutschen Wald, die NPD ebenfalls." |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 18:35
Didn't stop The Who. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 20:15
Gilmour asked Waters to perform Dark Side on the Pulse tour. Waters declined. RW also turned down invitations to his 60 birthday bash. RW did appear briefly on one of DG's videos in a non musical role. It was only slightly less awkward then they were at the end of Live 8. Gilmour turning down Waters should be no surprise to anyone. Too many years of bad blood. A shame as togehter the 4 of them made themselves unbelieveably wealthy.
I'm not holding my breath, but it would be a long Floyd fans delight if if Mason and Gilmour would make an appearance at a RW show. I don't expect any of them to tour again.
Long Live The Floyd.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 22:57
Well, ofcourse he has a free will, and it's perfecty respectable that he wants to enjoy the rest of his life without having to worry about concerts and gigs and tours and albums. He has done all that. He doesn't need the money nor the fame nor anything. I was just clarifing that in this case, it is Gilmour who doesn't want to be involved anymore, not Waters (though Waters did have his opportunities to decline playing with Pink Floyd again when they asked him to do PULSE with them). |
Posted By: oddiyo
Date Posted: May 31 2010 at 18:18
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It's best to remember the past as is. Timing is everything... Back in 1987, Waters was at Gilmour, Mason, and Wright's collective throat for using the Pink Floyd name. Perhaps it would have been a good time then, to patch up their differences and create something new and worthwhile. Anyway, they missed the boat and it won't come back. We are very lucky to have their reunion show from 2005, and should be grateful it finally ended on a positive note. ------------- CLH |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 13:20
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Roger Waters is Pink Floyd. What he does is Pink Floyd, his albums, his tour. The guitar sound will be missed, but alas. As for Wright, he was "instrumental" in Floyd in the early to mid 70s, but not so much in their just as great late 70s and early 80s days. In brief, it would be great to have Dave's guitar in it, but I'm content with whatever Roger does as long as he releases a topical and well thought out rock album some time soon  . I really hope I can get to see the wall but it may be beyond my means. |
Posted By: oddiyo
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 21:44
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In my opinion, Roger Waters IS Roger Waters, and not Pink Floyd, and he would most certainly agree. The last Floyd album with anything to resemble any sort of collaboration was released in '77 with "Animals". As far as I'm concerned, "The Wall" is a different sound, and it was the beginning of Roger's solo career, which continues to this day. ------------- CLH |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 22:26
| Indeed, even though Roger has done some very good things on his own, he hasn't achieved the same classic Pink Floyd sound from albums like Meddle, DSotM, Wish you were here, and Animals. The collaboration and participation of every member was needed to achieve that sound. Neither has Pink Floyd or his later version of the band achive that sound, and still he managed to do some good things on his own. |
Posted By: oddiyo
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 23:04
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If anyone wants to witness Floyd at the height of their powers it's preserved on the Pompeii film. Gilmour and Wright were in harmony providing the vocals and instrumental soundscapes with Mason. Waters at this time was the idea man, and his lyrics always thought provoking. I think there was a definite balance in this period, and everyone seems to appear happy when you watch the film. ------------- CLH |
Posted By: SMSM
Date Posted: June 02 2010 at 19:16
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To me, keyboardist Rick Wright was very under-rated and contributed so much to the sound of Floyd even if he did not write much material. The Who was not better with Kenny Jones replacing Keith Moon, likewise with the absence of John Entwistle
Likewise, KISS is not better without Ace Frehley (even if the guitarist Tommy Thayer wears Ace's face paint).
Sorry, at probably $200 a ticket price, I would not go to a PF reunion.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 02 2010 at 21:46
I really love that video, excellent from start to finish. A great closing for the early period of Floyd before Dark Side of the Moon. I prefer the era from Meddle to Animals over the early stuff (even though I like many of those songs too), but Live at Pompeii I love just as much as any of those other albums. I wish it was available on CD too. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: June 04 2010 at 06:18
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One thing about the pre DSOTM PF is that DG played less standard lead (a lot of slide, rhythm and harmony)... just wonder how a more standard approach to playing influenced the PF direction. One of the few times DG let rip those fabulous leads (IMHO) was on the Embryo - a track noticeably not featured in the official releases. Ok he made up for the lack of lead work from Dark Side onward, but it sure characterizes DG as one of the more experimental guiatr players in progressive music. Still love Sorrow though! Am I off topic? Sorry what was the question? Reunion? Oh, yes. Go for it guys. While we're still young. They could make a great power trio, heaven knows they have enough superb shadow players to fill in the places where things get too hard.It's not as though their line up has never been su[pplemented. And how about On The Turning Away on the Delicate Sound. For an instrumental band they could sure produce some great collective vocals, that was VF impressive. But no, too much water has been passed under the bridge. Be nice for DG to appear with RW on The Wall. His vocal on Comfortably Numb is sorely missed (especially when I hear Van Morrison's version) sorry Van but DG's the man for this one - his singing contrasts RW's sinister vox perfectly. Oh and his guitar solo on the same song. RW should tell him he can stand on top of the Wall with huge light behind him like the first time (PF at Wembley 80). Apparently DG liked that. And who wouldn't. So I encourage this as a nice little part time earner while they spend ten years writing albums MInd you RW has a very interesting selection of solo albums. Shame I'm not that keen on most of them - and I've tried. cheers! |
Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: June 04 2010 at 07:24
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Oh, by the way. Which one's Pink?
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Posted By: Geizao
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 12:31
I wouldn't disagree...... Rick Wright's gone... So Pink Floyd is just a name (of a big old band) without "P" letter or "F" letter, or any letter that had been created them. |
Posted By: TheRedPlanet
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 05:58
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The main problem for a Re-union is the massive tour who will very certainly follow... that's what recently said David Gilmour... the perspective of a giant supermassive tour is not very funny for old guys... OK... but why not do a little tour i mean 20 fat dates around the world are not excessive ... Or just even 5 date with 2 filmed for a later DVD...
I don't think that this is that horrible to do...
People who said that this won't be Pink Floyd because Wright and Barrett are not here... i don't understand them....
If Waters is back in the band ....a Waters/Gilmour/Mason version is no less PInk Floyd than the previous Gilmour/Wright/Mason....
I know i dream... but it all depends of the axis relationship between Gilmour and Waters...
I know Wright was important... he was the landscape of their sound... (how & which substitute for him!?)
but honestly i think that those guy won't change of advice... it's so hard to write " E N D " over the last page of their story... so hard...
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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: June 19 2010 at 16:11
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This is just so typically Waters. He tried to kill Pink Floyd 25 years ago, but thank God he failed. And then 20 years later there's Live 8, and miracle of miracles, there's this one-off reunion, and then he blames Gilmour for not continuing the reunion. As if he was back in charge again automatically. Well, I'm glad it didn't happen. Who needs those awful out-of-tune vocals anyway, which ruined "Wish you were here" entirely!? Give me another Gilmour solo album over Waters' annoying crap anytime! ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: June 19 2010 at 17:43
saw a great YouTube interview with Waters and David Frost from December 2009. A really incredible man. Would love to see The Wall played in Palestine. After all it is the Israeli wall that needs to come down next. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 19 2010 at 17:52
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Richard Wright replacements? Interesting topic. Does anyone think Gary Brooker would be good? Those lovely piano melodies and the graceful vocals? Or Matthew Fisher?
------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: June 19 2010 at 18:12
 ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 19 2010 at 18:19
Yeah, ain't she somethin'. And I think she was only 18 when that was taken. She looks more mature to me there, more like 28. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 19 2010 at 19:00
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Now that the two most talented members of Floyd are gone, a reunion would suck anyway.
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: June 19 2010 at 22:56
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DG on top of the Wall soloing "Numb.." That was so cool ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 19 2010 at 23:48
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Can anyone paste the youtube link to Live8 performance - I must see that again and have touble with youtube at present.
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 20 2010 at 00:06
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Tell me what part you want specifically. -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 20 2010 at 00:16
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That is fantastic! Much appreciated... what was the full set list, I remember 'Money' and 'Comfortably Numb.' -------------
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Posted By: oddiyo
Date Posted: June 20 2010 at 00:41
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As David Gilmour said in public after Richard died, there are many songs he won't be able to perform again without him... So, we need to enjoy their great legacy of recordings, and accept the past as is. NO ONE could, or should replace Richard Wright... He is greatly missed by his bandmates and all loyal Floyd fans. ------------- CLH |
Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 20 2010 at 00:48
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 20 2010 at 01:20
Watching the whole thing now on youtube via this thread.
 songs are:
Breathe/ Reprise
 Money
Wish you were here
Comfortably Numb
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Posted By: Progist
Date Posted: June 20 2010 at 04:45
Gilmour didn't really want to do Live 8, so now that Rick Wright is dead, I can't imagine Gilmour wanting to do Floyd again, ever? He certainly looked uncomfortable at Waters attempt to hug him onstage, if my failing memory serves me correctly 
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: June 20 2010 at 19:55
Now we're back to the 1979 - 1983 line up they could perform all of The Wall and especially The Final Cut. I'm sure DG would be up for that. Seriously Floyd managed considerably well without their first inspiration, their second inspiration (the Rogers Barrett and Waters); technically they could continue. But the disparity and conflict of personalities between RW and DG has gone on too long. They have since had their tax situation sorted out along time ago. (This was the problem that caused them to hit the Wall and Run Like Hell and almost certainly the real basis of the heated debate for two decades.) I know everyone ;likes to think of PF's problems being creative ones but while that is so it was probably about half of the problem. Anyway could / would Waters be performing On An Island material? The idea of either of them singing What God Wantsas a PF tune is ever so slightly amusing (if not to death...) |
Posted By: sturoc1
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 21:10
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ALL Right then I must chime in via a rare post reply for me. I have toured with Pink Floyd twice, round the world, also done numerous Roger Waters shows. Employed by them. Not following shows around like some deadhead claiming to be on tour! I can say without a doubt that PF will not tour/record again, all deaths aside. David does not want to do it regardless of whether Roger does or not. 'What is done is done' AS for my background and legitimacy it's yours to believe me or not. But really, I gain nothing by this 'cept to put an end to the back + forth of mis-information. |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: July 11 2010 at 06:04
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------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 11 2010 at 06:27
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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: July 11 2010 at 12:07
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Well, the news is on brain damage too. http://www.brain-damage.co.uk/latest/roger-waters-and-david-gilmour-perform-charity-show-together-last.html - http://www.brain-damage.co.uk/latest/roger-waters-and-david-gilmour-perform-charity-show-together-last.html ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 11 2010 at 21:43
| I had just read about that in the Brain Damage website today. David Gilmour and Roger Waters playing together again, no extra information given yet, only the band (it included Guy Pratt and Harry Waters) and the songs played. It was a charity fund raising concert for a pro-Palestine organization. I hope we'll soon know the opinions of both Gilmour and Waters about this reunion, and however it came to happen. And if they may appear together again in any other concert. |
Posted By: oddiyo
Date Posted: July 11 2010 at 23:07
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This is welcome news. I am really proud of Rog and Dave for burying the hatchet. Life is too short and goes by too quickly to remain bitter forever. I would really love(!!!) to see a Waters/Gilmour unplugged tour, and together perform some of their beautiful acoustic numbers: "Grantchester Meadows", "Fat Old Sun", "If", "Sea, Shell and Stone", "San Tropez", "Pillow of Winds", "Cymbaline", etc... and perhaps write some great new material... It wouldn't be Pink Floyd anymore, but, that doesn't matter. Try something new. After all, music is the opposite of war, and it should bring people together for the common good.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 11 2010 at 23:51
What are you talking about? Wright could be replaced easily, from a technical standpoint. He never played anything too complex, and while his songwriting abilities would obviously be absent, I would contest that the best Floyd musical moments came from Waters and Gilmour, by far. Now, whether or not they would want to, well that's another matter, entirely. I personally would not be completely upset either way. Wright was absolutely brilliant, and there will never another quite like him, but to act as if he's literally irreplaceable as a musician is going a little far, I would say. As a human being and a songwriter, you are correct. As Pink Floyd's keyboardist, well, it's not ideal, but if another album WOULD ever get made, it would be necessary. I would feel completely different about this, by the way, if Mr. Wright were still alive.
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: July 12 2010 at 12:18
David Gilmore is still alive, and he can and will be easily replaced during Waters' 2010 Wall Tour. Any better than average guitar player can fill in for GIlmore, and I look forward to the show this November. So there.
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: July 12 2010 at 12:35
alright, an alternate David Gilmore player, sounding like David, that would be acceptable I hope they don't dare call themselves Pink Floyd------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: sturoc1
Date Posted: July 12 2010 at 12:36
| I guess no one wants to believe fact .( see prev post by me) |
Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: July 12 2010 at 12:41
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guitar alternate could not sing like David, thats for sure. But, after thinking about it, A stand -in could fill the bill and Watersgate could pull it off ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: July 12 2010 at 12:44
Dude, I totally believe you. My point is that seeing Roger is just like seeing Pink Floyd. Have you ever seen him solo?
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 12 2010 at 13:00
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^ I have seen Waters live twice in the last decade. As good as watching Floyd? Absolutely!!! ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: sturoc1
Date Posted: July 12 2010 at 13:05
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Worked a bunch of shows with him so Yes. It is just as good as PF, missing DG & RW's vocals. |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: July 12 2010 at 15:59
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I've seen Waters solo, Gilmour solo, and Gilmour & Wright. By far Roger's concert was my least favorite. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Follix
Date Posted: July 13 2010 at 02:49
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He can't even sing anymore so even Australian Floyd does a better job than him. And Waters solo stuff always sounded like Pink Floyd or at least Final Cut but when RW does some Pink Floyd it doesnt sound like Pink Floyd while Gilmour solo stuff is far enough from PF Gilmour PF songs sounds like PF. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: July 13 2010 at 03:19
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As far as can tell most PF performances are Waters' conceptions. These were very much his idea even from before DG joined PF. As The Wall was pretty much Waters' efforts - with great moments from DG - it really comes as little surprise to find Waters' performances rembling the Floyd. I've seen DG's PF twice, RW (the concert where NM showed up for STCFTHOTS) and a DG show with R Wright. Waters' concert performance consistency lives up to his ambitions. He wanted the huge theatrical shows (since '67 and possibly earlier.) DG has said he doesn't ewant the huge PF concert tour spectacular - too much organizaional hassle or somesuch reason (as if this isn't delegated...) Anyway his freind and manager Steve O'Rourke is also deceased and that may weigh with him more than RW - who severed relations with Mr O'Rourke 25 years ago. Be nice if DG played on at least some RW shows but really PF is Waters (albeit without the finishing touch DG provides.) Mind you I do prefer DG's first and third solo albums to anything Waters issued (since Pros and Cons.) Waters has a sense of huge scale while DG has a sense of details and songmanship. Which is why Waters can write for an opera and stage The Wall and DG's On An Island is full of blissful songs. I suppose the individual plays to his own strengths rather than ply them togther. |
Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: July 13 2010 at 19:08
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Very good points, and well said.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 13 2010 at 21:47
| I still disagree about Pink Floyd being Roger Waters. Pink Floyd was definitley the sum of the parts. Dark Side of the Moon, Wish you were here, and even Animals (as well as the song Echoes) would have been far from being the masterpieces they are if Waters hadn't had the rest of the band with him. Even The Wall would have suffered severely without them (imagine The Wall without Comfortably Numb), and even the songs entirely written by Waters may have ended up arranged some other way (specially Another Brick in the Wall 2, it was originally intended to be only the first verse, without the children's choir nor Gilmour's solo at the end, those were Gilmour's ideas if I remember well). |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: July 14 2010 at 01:14
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oh yes, without the others Waters' ideas might be as... critically challenged shall we say as arranging for general consumption is best left to DG. ABITW2 would have been just a verse, chorus, solo and then onto the next bit. Comfortably Numb is clearly a Waters DG "collaboration." Waters' sinister vox contrasts so effectively with Gilmours soaring counterpoint. Frankly only he seems to be able to sing his own parts effectively. His light version solo certainly reflected the difference between Waters' heavy drama and Gilmour's brighter choruses. Robert Wyatt did a tremendous effort on the night to do Waters' vocal. Actually if you scan the lyrics in the cover of The Wall the whole thing flows as one giant song, until DG puts in his notable m oments. In a way this reflects the personalities I've read as Waters' unstoppable force coming up against DG's immovable rock. But TDSOTM to Final Cut were essentially Waters ideas with the important arranging by Wright and Gilmour. Brain Damage / Eclipse revealed Waters' technique of shopping list lyrics which would really get heavier on Animals. Given DG's ideas and desperation for lyrics (he even once asked waters for some help ... can't remeber where just at the moment... it may have been Momentary Lapse. waters told hiom to come up with his own. These albums without Waters probably would not have existed. He may or may not be Pink, he may not be Pink Floyd but he is the closest to it performance wise. As for sum of the parts? Indeed yes. Amused To Death would be a great Floyd album if it was including the others, instead... well maybe I should re-buy the thing... just thought it was... a few tracks (God Wants) and then... Nowhere near as dull as Pros and Cons. (IMHO.) Final Cut is a great example of comparing Waters as Pink with the others as Floyd, so to speak. A very brave a creditable album. Trouble is everyone gets lost in the uniform idea of a rock band identity. Never happens with jazz and blues... |
Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: July 14 2010 at 06:49
| Er, okay, I had the bent of this topic wrong. I thought we were discussing a reunion for touring, Writing and recording new material is another matter altogether. As far as I'm concerned, Meddle through Animals were their best albums, with highlights before and after, and the contributions of all were vital. I don't really like The Wall as much as others, and I consider The Final Cut a Waters solo project for all intents and purposes. But I still maintain that seeing Waters live is just like seeing Floyd. He employs the quadrophonic, 360 degree surround sound system, all the props, toys, special effects, animation, lasers and pyrotechnics that made their shows so memorable. And the music is spot on, minus the distinct vocals of Gilmore and Wright (but not to the detriment of the final experience). |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: July 14 2010 at 07:50
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No, you didn't have it wrong... just some improvising upon a theme. Once comparisons between Roger's concerts as well as his Wall / PF The Wall it was a small step into which one's Pink for writing. No harm though. Yep, Final Cut does have Mason and Gilmour as session players on their own album effectively. A huge change in sound is Michael Kamen's presence instead of Wright. But as for reunion of touring... I think a former PF roadies posted a not likely (meaning no.) Still they could change their minds. It's just that touring ... well Roger likes the huge production, Gilmour does a version of that but might prefer a less bombastic stage presence. Call it Pink Floyd and people have certain expectations and Roger delivers these expectations. The Roger-less PF did the same. But I knew a few who saw DG at the Festival Hall in 2002 who expected a more PF thing and did not get it. Npt me, I thought it was up close and personal and I loved it. But production of recordings and touring are inseparable for Floyd. DG probably wants to avoid all the control freakery he used to get with Roger. But Rog needs Dave to make his grand schemes palatable. So if a new tour, new arrangements? Which DG might like but nor RW, or the full works which RW loves but DG sems less keen on these. Then there's what? new material? I think Roger likes people to listen (Saves on spittle!) and he quite likes relatively small arenas (10,000) or less which is not going to do the business for Pink Floyd - 20,000 plus and several nights in each. Doesn't look likely. Maybe more charity events perhaps? |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 14 2010 at 22:58
| I've just read that Gilmour agreed to appear as a guest on one of the The Wall shows to play guitar on Comfortably Numb... too bad he will almost surely not choose Mexico. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 14 2010 at 23:31
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^ I doubt it will be Kansas City too... Hope it is though ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 15 2010 at 22:22
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It would be more likely than Mexico, though.
I just read a description Roger Waters did on FaceBook about Gilmour's and Waters's gig together last weekend, and how Gilmour's offer to appear on a Wall concert came about. It was in fact Gilmour who called or wrote Roger about doing it, and he sugested the song "To know him is to love him", and then they chose "Wish you Were Here" and "Comfortably Numb". Then Roger started panicking about not being able to sing "To know him..." well, because it was out of his range and he would have to practice a lot, etc, and he thought surely Gilmour would do a better job by himself, so Roger told Gilmour he should do that song alone, and then he (Roger) could join him on the other two songs. However, Gilmour insisted on doing this song with Waters, and just told him if he (Roger) sang on "To know him... ", then Gilmour would join Waters on one of his Wall shows to play on "Comfrotably Numb"... and so far that's the agreement (Waters said he just couldn't refuse that offer), but Gilmour hasn't yet decided on which show he'll appear. |
Posted By: Follix
Date Posted: July 16 2010 at 12:33
My longshot would be Montreal because the 1977 went bad and Gilmour left the show cause he was unhappy+ I would bet Quebec province is the place where Pink Floyd sold the more album out of England in proportion In my mind if he doesnt show up in Montreal it will be Europe. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 16 2010 at 13:33
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"To know him is to love him"??????? ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: July 16 2010 at 17:54
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Lucky it wasn't a cover of I Have been In You -(FZ.) Unless it's like the recent allegations (tongue in cheek of course) about Bob Dylan and the electronica beat (generation.) I wonder if other forms of rock music have as much humour prevalent or are they all pretentious instead... Back to the topic. I wonder if anyone asked Nick Mason to play - on a Wall show... or all of them... Funny thing about drummers btw. Bruford included - they seem to be rather readble writers. Again back on topic... perhaps someone could suggest "nice part time earner on the side, cash job," and see if they can find the time for a spot of money...  |